side of leaf folding over

[Miraculous Meds]

Need a little help from my friends. Ive got some leaves that are folding over on the sides of the blades. I know that most of the plants are showing deep green and some claw, so N tox a little, but im not sure if the leaf folding is related to this as well.

I should note that ive been feeding gh 6/9 at 1.2ec ph 5.8 in coco. They are in 1 gallon pots and 23 days in flower. 3 days ago I reduced ec to .7.

Im thinking im going to reduce the micro to the effected plants.

Any advice is appreciated.

thanks

 

[Ganggreen]

nitrogen toxcicity. dark green leaves that get that "claw" look. flush 3x pot size for soil or fresh rez of r/o water for a couple days then start with 1/4 nutes then work your way back up but not as much as before.

 

[Ganggreen]

btw meds i encountered that very problem not 2 weeks ago as i mentioned in my thread =)

 

[Miraculous Meds]

nitrogen toxcicity. dark green leaves that get that "claw" look. flush 3x pot size for soil or fresh rez of r/o water for a couple days then start with 1/4 nutes then work your way back up but not as much as before.

thanks for ur response, ive noted n tox for what u noted as well. But u didn't mention the thing im not sure of which is the leaf folding over, any thoughts on this. Is the leaf folding related to the n tox?

By the way I noted im in coco, lowered my feed, and I water to runoff everyday about 10 to 20%.

 

[Mikell]

Don't you love when someone doesn't even bother to read your post?

I have the same thing on a few peppa's, throwing this reply here to keep a tab on if someone gives you the right hint.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Don't you love when someone doesn't even bother to read your post?

I have the same thing on a few peppa's, throwing this reply here to keep a tab on if someone gives you the right hint.

Its a little frustrating, especially since I took the time to respond to his posts even with out pics lol. But we all got to learn so I was trying to be polite and point it out to him.

I am scratching my head on this one, thought about over water or underwatering, but these are in coco 1 gal and weren't too wet and heavy, also the coco wasn't light brown dry, like too dry u know. It had a dry feel to the top of the pot. So if I had to guess its ready for multiple daily watering and maybe that would solve it being a nice plant in a small pot. That was my plan all along to get them going and set up a watering system, but I got like 10 strains and some always lag behind on needing watered. Challenging to water so many strains in one system.

If ur talking peppers? I know they can be overwatered pretty easy. Im a pepper head, and used to water them as much as my tomatoes, big mistake.

 

[SeedsOfFreedom]

I think the folding is related to the N toxicity. DJs strains are super sensitive to nutes, and on top of that display mutations often. I would just flush for a while and feed weakly after new growth starts to look more normal.

 

[iTarzan]

Sometimes weird things happen and there is no problem. Is that the only leaf? It could be a genetic trait or a sport chance happening.

 

[sourpuss]

I assume your vert? I get the same on my plants sitting high beside the light... although maybe it is a problem and I dont know it is.... I find its the leaf bending to catch light. Is the light behind the camera in that shot? The leaf on the other side is straight not bent.... my 2 cents and hopin for a solution if it is a prob....

 

[Ganggreen]

like i said the same thing happened to me including the fold. I did read your post was just agreeing with it.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

SOF,

thanks, that's currently my plan.

Itarzan,

thanks, there are a few leaves displaying this on just a few plants, basically the the blueberry sativas, go figure, im pretty sure they are known to be finicky.

sourpuss,

thanks, vert, yep, the light is behind the cam. took me a second to think of that , im new to picture taking. there are plenty of leaves that aren't displaying the fold.

gg,

thanks, I don't think u noted the fold and that was the one thing I need help diagnosing since I already said ive noticed deep green and claw indicating N, that's what mikell was talking about, no biggy, I appreciate the help.

 

[Mikell]

like i said the same thing happened to me including the fold. I did read your post was just agreeing with it.

There I go with the foot in the mouth again hehe. Apologies for the assumption

If ur talking peppers? I know they can be overwatered pretty easy. Im a pepper head, and used to water them as much as my tomatoes, big mistake.

Hehe yeah I ran in to that early in the season, caught the oedema early and backed off. Weather didn't comply at all...

 

[xxPeacePipexx]

Water can make a crop or destroy a crop . Looks like a point of slight overwatering took place not long ago looking at the midrange droopy leaves .. With coco you have to allow them to build enough root in order for it to be saturated with no ill effects .. Once a plant is well into flower I often flood my coco pots with 50% run off and then I let them wick it up through the day .. Do this with one early into flowering and this is what it will look like

You do have a mild case of too much Nitrogen as noted , some girls need less , some need more ..

 

[papaduc]

there are plenty of leaves that aren't displaying the fold.

Where are they in relation to the light though...

If the top leaves are curling under but the ones below the bulb aren't, it's a pretty safe bet that they're curling to catch the light. If it's nitrogen toxicity it'll show across the plant not just the leaves above the bulb.

 

[whatthe215]

IME the claw/side curling a bit down like you have (even on the backside, so I think light isn't a big factor) is just a part of N tox... but your's isn't too bad, they look like pretty healthy plants.

I think flushing is way too extreme, and dropping from 1.2 to 0.7 might be a bit much.. you've almost got her dialed just drop to 1.0 ec. Or even better you could try dropping micro a bit, maybe to 5.5 or 5/9 ratio.

Another thing to try, let pH swing a bit.. I go from 5.7-6.1 in straight canna coco. Allows them to uptake different nutrients from the full pH range.

Are you using CalMag+?

 

[Uscoso]

I found some strains the leaves will droop as the plant ages. I be worried if the whole plant went that way. If so check the water. Good luck

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Where are they in relation to the light though...

If the top leaves are curling under but the ones below the bulb aren't, it's a pretty safe bet that they're curling to catch the light. If it's nitrogen toxicity it'll show across the plant not just the leaves above the bulb.

thanks for ur reply,

this level is directly across from the bottom bulb. they aren't curling id say more folding from the side of the leaf underneath itself. Ill take a closer look tomorrow. and maybe a better pic for more perspective on its location.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Water can make a crop or destroy a crop . Looks like a point of slight overwatering took place not long ago looking at the midrange droopy leaves .. With coco you have to allow them to build enough root in order for it to be saturated with no ill effects .. Once a plant is well into flower I often flood my coco pots with 50% run off and then I let them wick it up through the day .. Do this with one early into flowering and this is what it will look like

You do have a mild case of too much Nitrogen as noted , some girls need less , some need more ..

thanks for the comments.

These plants are in a unique position in that they were over veg'd and root bound in solo cups, for timing purposes for the flower room to come open and to get clones off them. Then they were put into 1 gal pots, veg'd for just a few days then flipped. so im sure some of the roots aren't as established as id like to have with coco and flowering them, but its how it worked out to get to flower this many phenos in their designated space.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

IME the claw/side curling a bit down like you have (even on the backside, so I think light isn't a big factor) is just a part of N tox... but your's isn't too bad, they look like pretty healthy plants.

I think flushing is way too extreme, and dropping from 1.2 to 0.7 might be a bit much.. you've almost got her dialed just drop to 1.0 ec. Or even better you could try dropping micro a bit, maybe to 5.5 or 5/9 ratio.

Another thing to try, let pH swing a bit.. I go from 5.7-6.1 in straight canna coco. Allows them to uptake different nutrients from the full pH range.

Are you using CalMag+?

thanks for ur reply,

I like ur line of thinking here. I have thought this myself on the reduction of micro on the plants that are showing the n tox.

I did a reduced feed again of .4ec of the 6/9 formula. but I was thinking of just mixing a batch of 5/9 and seeing how they react. I will take some pics tomorrow to see if the reduced ec has relieved the problem some. If not im going to reduce the micro.

thanks to all for replying. Hopefully we are on the right track and I see positive change.

I will also see if I can get the plant out and check the root zone. Im curious to see if the roots have developed well in this plant, as I would like to set up my watering system but am afraid that it might increase the problem if the roots haven't filled the pot.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

So after viewing all the plants in the racks, I noticed that all the dj in lines were showing some n tox, while all the hybrids were not. This leads me to believe that the in stock line just doesn't like much nutrients. Duh! Ive read this I don't know how many times. lol... So im going to give the one pictured a reduced micro amount of 4.5/9. While the rest of the in line stock will get .8 ec of the normal ratio. the hybrids will still get 1.2ec.

So after a while hopefully I will know if the lower ec is the answer or the reduced micro.

Thanks for everybody's help!

Im moving this discussion over to my pheno hunt thread if anybody is interested in following the progress, thanks again.