GERMINATING OLD SEEDS!

[uptosumpn]

OK, So dont know if this is the right thread, BUT nevertheless its fitting for it.......
So I have a bunch of seeds , (diff crosses) I bred couple of years back, 2010, 2011 to be exact.... my question is does anyone know a way, or methods to germin these beans??? FYI, I have germed most of them in the past with no prob. (but that was months after they were made). They have all been in diff types of sealed containers/mini jars with rice in em' and stored in a safe. All the seeds are dark and past the squeez test. I even cracked some just to see if the embro is not rottted...Recently I tried to germ a bunch with NO results!! The method of choice is dropping them in water, (bottled) for 24-48hrs and they all usually cracked and I drop in my choice of medium.... Ieven tried the other ways we all germ beans.....paper towel, straight to medium, ect...I even heard about the scarfiying method, (were you scratch em', ect.) I tried that once...and still nothing....??? I'm totally confused as to WTF is going on, because these beans I have are crosses I made so cant be purchased anywhere....(and its all diff crosses) I have grown them all already...so far I have germed over 100 and dont wanna continue on this path as I will deplete my stock......only my newer crosses, which is not as much as my older stock cracks in 24hrs avg in water...so I do know what im doing......HELP!

 

[FromHolland]

I guess they're dead. If you have a lot of seeds why not sell them

 

[DJXX]

sometimes older seeds just get the strength to pop the backbone seam of the shell...so what i did with some ...if they don't crack after 2 days in water they are either dead or just don't have enough energy to crack......i put them carefully in my mouth like a sunflower seed....and crack the seam with my teeth...then immediately into water....then into a paper towel....you can do it with small pliers also...they can fly, so do it on a table....i have gotten like 20% germ on some i was just gonna toss...DJXX

 

[Bush Dr]

Soak them in Clonex solution and then paper towels

 

[uptosumpn]

@ DJXX

@Bush Dr

Thanks guys for the input and helpful info.....we'll see......this is crazy!

 

[DJXX]

@ DJXX

@Bush Dr

Thanks guys for the input and helpful info.....we'll see......this is crazy!

man when you look at them and they look beauty tiger striped and fat...you just hate to give up on them and that how i came up with the teeth vise....good luck..DJXX

 

[BigBozat]

12-hour pre-soak in a 1 gal. solution of:
- Coconut water (1 gal)
- Gibberellic Acid (75 ppm = roughly 1/8th tsp/gal)
- Liquid Seaweed (4 tsp/gal) (I use Neptune's Harvest, but others, e.g., KelPak, etc. fine)
- Wright's Liquid Smoke - Hickory (contains karrakinolides) (7.5 tsp/gal)

Optional additions:
- Liquid Humic/Fulvic Acid (1/4 tsp) (I use Botanicare Fulvex or Dirt M.D., but others surely fine)
- Botanicare / Liquid Karma (1/4 tsp)
- OptiFlora PreBiotic Complex (contains fructooligosaccharides, Vitamin E) (1 tbsp)
(for these next optional items, I'm using regular ol' nutritional supplements from the local pharmacy/GNC shelves (1000mg = 1g)... cut off 1/4th of tablet, throw 'em into a coffee grinder & dump ground powder into solution)
- L-Glycine Amino Acid (synergistic interaction w/ karrakinolides) (1/4 gram)
- L-Aspartic Acid (1/4 gram)
- L-Glutamic Acid (1/4 gram)
- L-Phenylaninine (1/4 gram)
- L-Lysine Amino Acid (1/4 gram)
- Thiamine/Vitamin B1 (1/4 gram)

 

[stoned-trout]

if all else fails toss em in the wormbin... I have had so many seeds sprout in wormbin after not sprouting the usual ways...

 

[DJXX]

12-hour pre-soak in a 1 gal. solution of:
- Coconut water (1 gal)
- Gibberellic Acid (75 ppm = roughly 1/8th tsp/gal)
- Liquid Seaweed (4 tsp/gal) (I use Neptune's Harvest, but others, e.g., KelPak, etc. fine)
- Wright's Liquid Smoke - Hickory (contains karrakinolides) (7.5 tsp/gal)

Optional additions:
- Liquid Humic/Fulvic Acid (1/4 tsp) (I use Botanicare Fulvex or Dirt M.D., but others surely fine)
- Botanicare / Liquid Karma (1/4 tsp)
- OptiFlora PreBiotic Complex (contains fructooligosaccharides, Vitamin E) (1 tbsp)
(for these next optional items, I'm using regular ol' nutritional supplements from the local pharmacy/GNC shelves (1000mg = 1g)... cut off 1/4th of tablet, throw 'em into a coffee grinder & dump ground powder into solution)
- L-Glycine Amino Acid (synergistic interaction w/ karrakinolides) (1/4 gram)
- L-Aspartic Acid (1/4 gram)
- L-Glutamic Acid (1/4 gram)
- L-Phenylaninine (1/4 gram)
- L-Lysine Amino Acid (1/4 gram)
- Thiamine/Vitamin B1 (1/4 gram)

thanks thats badass...DJXX

 

[St. Phatty]

There's a lot of threads @ICMag on this subject.

You're not alone !


I think the Cannabis plant is naturally helpful in this regard.

Our nomadic ancestors that carried hemp seed with them in their travels - their lives depended on the seeds sprouting.


I wonder what the record is for old-seed-sprouting.

 

[BigBozat]

Helps if you scarify the seeds first, too (i.e., rough up the seed coat w/ fine grit sandpaper)

 

[BigBozat]

There's a lot of threads @ICMag on this subject.

You're not alone !

St. Phatty is correct, e.g., here's a thread from the Botany & Advanced Growing forum specifically dedicated to adv germ techniques ('tho it kinda petered out)...

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=290948

Some other tips from that thread:
- dank.frank suggested Clackamas Coot's old seed germination recipe, which had Aloe Vera juice (as part of the pre-soak solution)... I'd concur

- Father Earth pointed to an AEA product called 'Initiate', which a seed coating product designed to enhance germination (I've never used it, but FE is a knowledgeable guy)...

Initiate is carefully formulated from naturally sourced trace
minerals and natural biostimulants, including seaweed and
sea minerals.
Initiate contains many trace minerals, enzymes, amino acids
and other plant growth promoting compounds in a form
which can be easily absorbed by seeds.
The compounds contained in Initiate can aid in softening
the seed coat and neutralizing the germination inhibitors
that are naturally contained in the seed coat, both of which
can promote faster and more even germination.

FWIW, Tainio has some product(s) (http://www.tainio.com/index.php?pag...lectedcategory=View All Products&pagenumber=1) that could be employed to improve germination, too, e.g., BioGenesiss III seed treatment...

- Granger2 suggests SEA-CROP® (http://www.sea-crop.com/index.htm), among other things, for the pre-soak

 

[St. Phatty]

St. Phatty is correct, e.g., here's a thread from the Botany & Advanced Growing forum specifically dedicated to adv germ techniques ('tho it kinda petered out)...

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=290948

Some other tips from that thread:
- dank.frank suggested Clackamas Coot's old seed germination recipe, which had Aloe Vera juice (as part of the pre-soak solution)... I'd concur

- Father Earth pointed to an AEA product called 'Initiate', which a seed coating product designed to enhance germination (I've never used it, but FE is a knowledgeable guy)...

Thanks !


I was thinking in 5 years, this is the kind of subject that would get a lot of attendance if there was a big Cannabis Conference on the subject.

We could have subjects like ...

** Reviving Old seeds

** Masterful Domination of All Things Mite & Mildew


But then I was thinking - there are already conferences !

I went to one in SF, but it was more grow-lights & vaporizers & pipes at the booths. Basically a big party

 

[Granger2]

Does anyone know the dilution rate on coconut milk and Aloe? Thanks. -granger

 

[BigBozat]

Does anyone know the dilution rate on coconut milk and Aloe? Thanks. -granger

In this paper, the dilution rate was 200ml fresh coconut water to 220ml water...
http://www.academia.edu/4568852/OSMOCONDITIONING_SEEDS_OF_FOUR_CROP_SPECIES_USING_BOTANICAL_EXTRACTS

 

[BigBozat]

Does anyone know the dilution rate on coconut milk and Aloe? Thanks. -granger

For aloe, it's typically a 1% solution (100:1), but I don't have any cites or references (or any particularly compelling reason) for it...

 

[Granger2]

BigBozat,
Thanks. -granger

 

[uptosumpn]

man when you look at them and they look beauty tiger striped and fat...you just hate to give up on them and that how i came up with the teeth vise....good luck..DJXX

yeah, so you feel me then.....
so today I tried something like your teeth method, but used a nail clipper instead and squeezed near the top where the seed is attached while developing. heard a little crack and dropped them in water..I just did 5 like this..2 sunk to the bottom after a couple of hours...so we'll see...keep ya posted....I REALLY WANT THESE BEANS TO CRACK! LOVE THIS CROSS!!
THANKS AGAIN!

 

[uptosumpn]

12-hour pre-soak in a 1 gal. solution of:
- Coconut water (1 gal)
- Gibberellic Acid (75 ppm = roughly 1/8th tsp/gal)
- Liquid Seaweed (4 tsp/gal) (I use Neptune's Harvest, but others, e.g., KelPak, etc. fine)
- Wright's Liquid Smoke - Hickory (contains karrakinolides) (7.5 tsp/gal)

Optional additions:
- Liquid Humic/Fulvic Acid (1/4 tsp) (I use Botanicare Fulvex or Dirt M.D., but others surely fine)
- Botanicare / Liquid Karma (1/4 tsp)
- OptiFlora PreBiotic Complex (contains fructooligosaccharides, Vitamin E) (1 tbsp)
(for these next optional items, I'm using regular ol' nutritional supplements from the local pharmacy/GNC shelves (1000mg = 1g)... cut off 1/4th of tablet, throw 'em into a coffee grinder & dump ground powder into solution)
- L-Glycine Amino Acid (synergistic interaction w/ karrakinolides) (1/4 gram)
- L-Aspartic Acid (1/4 gram)
- L-Glutamic Acid (1/4 gram)
- L-Phenylaninine (1/4 gram)
- L-Lysine Amino Acid (1/4 gram)
- Thiamine/Vitamin B1 (1/4 gram)

REALLY? All that..?
Has this worked for ya???
But if it really does, guess I will give it a try, if all else fails...I'm open to any damm thing ATM, TBH.....

 

[uptosumpn]

if all else fails toss em in the wormbin... I have had so many seeds sprout in wormbin after not sprouting the usual ways...

No wormbin, but thanks for the input....
Maybe when I buy a house next year I could have all that good shit outside in my backyard....(because I want a BIG backyard for our hobby!!!)