AN CarboLoad, is it really that good?

[BubbaBear]

Custom Bio - we get

GP trichoderma

and

B5 bacillus

from them. Good products.

http://www.custombio.com/

Looks like good stuff, do you know what the spore count for there products is? I dont see it listed.

 

[papaduc]

Haha fuck a duck - did I hear a quack?

Probably an echo.

Instead of linking people to your website, you could just link them to wikipedia, or any of the other places you copied your information from.

At least then they won't get misinformation about the incompatibility of coco with chlorine and peroxide as part of the deal.

 

[BubbaBear]

Thought you may find this one interesting - with thanks to Nutri-Tech Solutions (Australia - that tiny little rock lol)


Nutrition Matters - Free Recipe for DIY, Super-Productive Microbe Inoculum

The dictionary definition of the word "science" is "adherence to natural laws and principles". Nature has all of the answers and we were supposed to learn from her, rather than think we can do better. A prime example of this "learning" potential relates to the role of anaerobic organisms in human, animal and plant health. For some reason there was little enquiry into Nature's broader intention when considering the presence of multiple strains of lactobacillus on the surface of every leaf.

When we chop up a cabbage and other vegetables, layer them in a container, salt each layer and seal the end-product, we do not need to add any microbes for the sauerkraut to do its thing. The lactobacillus are always present and they just need salt (to slow down the competition) and anaerobic conditions to allow them to kick into action. "Why do these creatures inhabit every leaf surface?" was the question that was never asked. It is certainly not because this allows us to make fermented food without any added inoculum. It wasn't until Japanese researcher Dr Teruo Higa looked a little deeper, that we finally discovered the larger purpose of this biofilm.

Lactobacillus play a number of key roles in the soil and on the leaf surface. They appear to be involved in protection from numerous plant pathogens, they recycle minerals, some strains are voracious cellulose-digesters (humus builders) and, like all beneficial microbes, they help deliver nutrients to the plant. They also produce a range of exudates, like B-group vitamins, that stimulate plant growth. In humans and animals, they are the single most important probiotic in our digestive tracts.

Dr Higa appropriately sourced the organisms that form the basis of his product EM(Effective Microbes) from the surface of rice. It turns out that we can make our own super-productive lactobacillus brew using this same strategy. Here's how you can do it:

Recipe for Lactobacillus Inoculum

Ingredients:

1 cup of rice
1 x 4 L bucket (with lid)
1 L of water
1 fine mesh strainer
10 L of milk
1 x 20 L bucket (with lid)
4 tsp of blackstrap molasses

Procedure:

Place the rice and water in the 4 L bucket and stir vigorously until the water is cloudy white. Then strain, retaining the liquid. The rice can still be cooked and eaten. If you want to expand the range of lactobacillus beyond those that are naturally occurring, you could add a cup of Bio-Bubble™ into this mix. It seems to be a productive strategy.

Place the lid on the bucket, but do not fully seal it. There must be a tiny space for the mix to breathe. Then store it in a cool, dark place for 5 – 7 days.

At the end of the week there will be some gunk on top. Skim off the top layer and strain the liquid (serum).

Now add your fermented serum to 10 L of milk in the 20 L bucket. Leave this blend in a dark place to culture for another 5 – 7 days. Again, put the lid on the bucket but do not completely seal it.

At the completion of this process, there will be a layer of curd sitting on the top. Skim off the curd and use it as a probiotic for livestock. It can be tremendously effective, as lactobacillus are key beneficials in all digestive tracts. The pale yellow serum that remains is your unactivated inoculum.

Now add 4 teaspoons of blackstrap molasses to provide enough food to just keep the lactobacillus ticking over. This serum must now be refrigerated or stored in the cold room and will have a shelf-life of around 12 months.

This is the inoculum you will add to the soil or foliar spray on the leaf for disease control. Alternatively, you can further multiply the lactobacillus concentrate by adding 5 L of serum, 5 L of molasses and 2 L of Bio-Bubble™ to a 200 L drum of water. Stir and then leave this blend to brew for a further 5 days.

The completed lactobacillus inoculum is activated by adding 1 part serum to 20 parts unchlorinated water. The dilution is then added to the soil or foliar sprayed.


This recipe can obviously be upscaled considerably for larger areas or downscaled for home gardeners. You have created an inexpensive, super-productive, living fertiliser, which increases fertiliser performance, builds humus and helps to manage pathogens.

lactobacillus kicks ass, I like adding EM-1to my reservoir or EM-2 actually since I active it, its good stuff, digested molasses that the plants can take up, and a host of anaerobic bacteria that digest the sludge in your reservoir keeping it cleaner and breaking it down to food for your plants , and its pretty acidic it drops my ph a couple points, it can almost be used as ph down it works better than fulvic for lowering ph.

 

[glow]

Haha - I did I did I did I did hear a quack

 

[glow]

Quack quack, have a read - try to use a bit of lateral thinking while you go and then also research how lignin and chlorine/oxidants react. BTW H2O2 has a different reaction process involving oxygen radicals - H202 is used in treating water supplies to break down organic matter such as humates and lignin etc. Now I expect you'll twist and pervert this to serve your fool agenda of promoting dumb growing practices (retard science) so please don't talk to me directly as I never really read your posts - they bored me long ago. What I suggest you do is write directly to scientists who did this research/studies and explain how they have it all wrong. E.g. My name is papaduc from IC Mag and I am a weed grower and you are a pack of plagiarists and liars........" Now be a good boy and hold true to your word and disappear from what otherwise has been a very good and informative thread. Love Glow - the plagiarist

 

[EclipseFour20]

Glow---yep, DIY is possible for organics!

Ahh...EM1, I used to make my own many years ago (surprised that guy's link is still up). Here are instructions with pictures of how to make EM1 and Bokashi mix as posted on Hawaii Healing Tree. Two words: It works!
http://www.hawaiihealingtree.org/how-to-make-your-own-em-1-inoculant-and-bokashi/

I did try the Bokashi thing for my outdoor veggie garden (which is over 20 years old--100% organic and no till) and decided the effort was not worth the results.

Since using Raw Milk, I stopped making the EM1...and probably getting similar results (sounds like a good experiment this summer).

BTW...sorry if I went off too much about the recent passing of my best friend...rather sensitive about that right now, as that little 30 pounder broke my heart when he passed. I have a few rules...and one is, "if you fuck with my women or my dogs...then someone's gonna bleed".

I see the troll is back, thought he said "good bye"...lol!

 

[glow]

Glow---yep, DIY is possible for organics!

Ahh...EM1, I used to make my own many years ago (surprised that guy's link is still up). Here are instructions with pictures of how to make EM1 and Bokashi mix as posted on Hawaii Healing Tree. Two words: It works!
http://www.hawaiihealingtree.org/how-to-make-your-own-em-1-inoculant-and-bokashi/

I did try the Bokashi thing for my outdoor veggie garden (which is over 20 years old--100% organic and no till) and decided the effort was not worth the results.

Since using Raw Milk, I stopped making the EM1...and probably getting similar results (sounds like a good experiment this summer).

BTW...sorry if I went off too much about the recent passing of my best friend...rather sensitive about that right now, as that little 30 pounder broke my heart when he passed. I have a few rules...and one is, "if you fuck with my women or my dogs...then someone's gonna bleed".

I see the troll is back, thought he said "good bye"...lol!

Yeah he's full of contradictions Nah mate you have every right to mourn your pal on this forum. Looked like a real nice character too.

 

[SnowCreature]

Not saying there's no truth to the above,, but I don't get why people always say a.n is watered down, cuz when I use full strength, I'll burn the living shit out a crop..
And I've tried;
Gen. Hydro
Gen. Organics
Gen. Maxibloom
Roots organic
Fox farms
Botanicare
House and garden
Humboldt county
Humboldt county's own
Dynagro
Heavy 16
And a few others I'm forgetting
All I can say is,, for the ease of mixing and the quality of end product,, a.n wins in my setup.. by a noticeable difference.
Peace

Your posts always make me lol

 

[acridlab]

^^^hope that's a good thing peace

 

[papaduc]

What I suggest you do is write directly to scientists who did this research/studies and explain how they have it all wrong.

Let me ask you a question: Do you really want me to take the time to put that to a qualified botanist?

Or will you be just as inclined to argue with him when he tells you you're misinterpreting a study on the effects of chlorination on drinking water and applying the information out of context?

There's no problem with the science, just your interpretation of it.

On your website you say chlorine and h2o2 will "break down organic matter"

You head it with bold writing and warn growers not to use these products as they're not compatible.

This is false information.

The truth is, the studies you're quoting do not suggest anything like this and talk about the reaction at source in the purification of drinking water. The by-products are already contained within your tap water, as is the chlorine and chloramine.

The addition of 0.5ppm will NOT break down organic matter such as coir, and the suggestion that it will is a gross misinterpretation of science, structured to suit what agenda I don't know. Maybe there isn't an agenda and it's just an honest case of you not understanding the information you read.

Whatever the reason, it makes you a hypocrite for talking about the organic chemophobes' misinterpretation of science.

I'm not here for you, just for the growers who might read stuff like this and believe it to be true as you say it.

The lignin structure of coir will not be depleted in any discernible way which would negatively affect it's use as a substrate by the addition of the amount of chlorine or peroxide used to feed plants.

Now, with that cleared up, feel free to pontificate with your friend.

 

[EclipseFour20]

Let me ask you a question: Do you really want me to take the time to put that to a qualified botanist?
...

It ain't hard.

Due diligence (something I did for many years in my prior life) requires validation with the person making a "claim". Sometimes the claim must be validated by two and three people--and that can be hard....not everyone likes to be "on the record" or be quoted.

It has been my experience, that almost all professionals will make themselves available to discuss something they have published. In my current life, I have queried many agriculture/horticulture/pesticide companies and each time I successfully reached the person I sought--be it CEO, scientist, formulator, engineer, etc.

Not everyone will not disclose all their secrets (some do...but refuse to put it into writing), but they do "drop hints" and will gladly "point you in the right direction". I think I learned more from these conversations...than from many of the discussion here on ICMag...(no offense to ICMaggers--just saying there is a wealth of info out there, if you ask the right person).

Which person would I rather listen to/learn from...a professional from the industry that is smarter than me, or a fellow "stoner cultivator"? Will I listen to both? Yes...but when there is a conflict between the two, the professional wins every time.

But if it "quacks like a duck...."

 

[papaduc]

I'm not sure who you're referring to as a professional or what conflict. If you can be clear on that it would help. There's no study which suggests chlorine or peroxide will break down the coir fiber or affect it's use as a substrate.

To say they are incompatible is inherently wrong and if that's a view disputed by any professional then please do find that information and quote it.
Otherwise stick to childish put downs and pseudo science.

 

[DrFever]

With all this talk about this i am seeing no pictures showing better results so really is it worth it hell i can post pictures of 1 week vegged clones then some 36 days later soil grown that will make DWC grown same time frame look silly by it for instance week one veg 1350 ppm c02 and day 36 note the size of the stalk
you here this
lactobacillus kicks ass,
prove it throw up some pictures where is there a thread or other wise ??? all this crap really is cluttering up this original thread
Grow maybe you should start your own thread rather then high jack someone elses ??? Also
Grow you got me confused one minute your against organics then next your on board which is it hahaha or are you just going with the flow there are plus and minuses going both ways organics or chems

With that said i am interested in how much gains in GRowth , and yield are people seeing cause really if your going to screw around you better see huge differences or its a waste of time really


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and now for some week old girls in veg and up to 36 days vegged oh please post some of the

lactobacillus kicks ass plants at the same stage you might be shocked or i might be post them up girls

First picture fresh rooted clones second picture 3 day in veg room 3rd pic 7 days in veg room 4th pic 3 weeks ( transplanted second week into larger containers 34 gallon containers last pic 30 days veg 1350 ppm c02 650 ppm feedings

 

[EclipseFour20]

Dr Fever, this thread is not a grow diary--which is off topic. I am sure many of us appreciate your "contributions" and find them valuable, but can we get back "on topic"? I don't use CarboLoad, but I have learned a thing or two--which is the purpose of most threads here at ICMag: to learn...not brag.

BTW, nice petite grow operation in those pictures.

 

[DrFever]

Dr Fever, this thread is not a grow diary--which is off topic. I am sure many of us appreciate your "contributions" and find them valuable, but can we get back "on topic"? I don't use CarboLoad, but I have learned a thing or two--which is the purpose of most threads here at ICMag: to learn...not brag.

BTW, nice petite grow operation in those pictures.

My days of 800 + plant grows are over happy with 12 plant scrogs almost 8 pound dry harvests and 3/4 pound hash with trimmings and B grade buds

 

[EclipseFour20]

Let me ask you a question: Do you really want me to take the time to put that to a qualified botanist?
...

I'm not sure who you're referring to as a professional or what conflict. If you can be clear on that it would help. There's no study which suggests chlorine or peroxide will break down the coir fiber or affect it's use as a substrate.

To say they are incompatible is inherently wrong and if that's a view disputed by any professional then please do find that information and quote it.
Otherwise stick to childish put downs and pseudo science.

I say the "qualified botanist" you typed in your message would be the "professional".

And if/when you talk to the professional and if you are told something you disagree with (you being the stoner cultivator), then that would be the "conflict" I was referring to--professional advice vs stoner advice.

Is that elementary enough for you?

 

[papaduc]

Good to see your ego's recovered and you're back to your old tricks of talking down to people with your grandiose style of writing

It seems like just yesterday you were waffling about your 18 plant no carbon filter grow ... the compost you constructed with 999 elements + skimmed milk so you didn't need to feed your huge plants with the veg times which didn't add up... the attorney grow buddy/trimmer who told you not to show pictures in case the naughty folk of Icmag used it in evidence against you

Then you left the site when everyone called you little billy bullshit.

The good old days.

 

[Storm Shadow]

 

[papaduc]

↑ Legend

 

[acridlab]

its not nice to mess with the dark overlords!!!!!!!!!!!!!