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PLEASE HELP MY PLANTS!
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Miraculous Meds
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True but that's not important when hand watering. As long as ur in that 5.8 range when u feed and they are happy. Your ec will do the same thing. What ur speaking too is more important if recirculating, and keeping an eye on reservoir ec and ph.
crazycanadian
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good morning! and thank you to everyone who has been so kind and helpful in your posts...im really going to take your advice to heart....ive uploaded a few new pics....i got 2 more that just broke the surface over night and 6 that are just starting to pop through now...i cut my light back to 20/4 to give them a break and have some time in the dark...they all look a little bigger today which is encouraging...and the bigger ones are all starting to show their second set of leaves...i weeded out a few more that just are runts....and wilted...possibly from a bit too much water...or maybe they were just bad ones...the containers are feeling lighter every day....and the tops are now starting to dry out...all i did was give them a gentle misting this morning and nothing more...the fan is not blowing directly on them...but rather above them and its oscillating just so the air keeps circulating...it has definetly lowered the temps in there quite a bit...all plats are dark green no sign of brown or yellow along the leaves even though some are pointed upwards a bit...i germinated 16 more seeds last night from a decent batch that i had just picked up....hopefully theyll be ready in the next day or so to plant...the seeds were some of the biggest and fattest i have had yet....
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so heres my plan....i NEED to know what everyone thinks... im going to wait till probably tues to feed...the ones that are more established i will give a very mild does of canna a and b... thinking 1/8 to 1/4 strength...the smaller ones just rhyzotonic....anyways please let me know what you think!
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so heres my plan....i NEED to know what everyone thinks... im going to wait till probably tues to feed...the ones that are more established i will give a very mild does of canna a and b... thinking 1/8 to 1/4 strength...the smaller ones just rhyzotonic....anyways please let me know what you think!
i'm just offering this guy the benefit of my experience. i don't ph anything unless i notice serious issues. everything else comes down to managing how much food i'm giving. too much causes issues, too little causes issue.
i'm currently using lucas formula, when you mix GH in water the ph comes to near 6.5, this is all i ever use except when i add epsom, or when i switch to using only kelp and molasses at the end. never pH. plants always have enough food if i give them what they want when they need it. as in stage of growth.
are you all familiar with these charts? coco coir is SOILLESS not HYDROPONICS. hydroponics is no media. coco is a media.
i treat it as such i let the ph swing like it supposed to and i don't waste my time trying to fix it in place.
on these charts you guys should be looking closer to the soil side of the equation and not the hydro side. so far aside from needing a lot of magnesium. i have yet to see any micro deficiencies using coco. it's so hard to get micro defs growing anyway. unless your plants just aren't getting any food then you should never see a micro deficiency.
also someone said something about small buds being a symptom of lacking calcium. it's actually a lack of magnesium. and since this is coco that's not surprising.
i'm currently using lucas formula, when you mix GH in water the ph comes to near 6.5, this is all i ever use except when i add epsom, or when i switch to using only kelp and molasses at the end. never pH. plants always have enough food if i give them what they want when they need it. as in stage of growth.
are you all familiar with these charts? coco coir is SOILLESS not HYDROPONICS. hydroponics is no media. coco is a media.
i treat it as such i let the ph swing like it supposed to and i don't waste my time trying to fix it in place.
on these charts you guys should be looking closer to the soil side of the equation and not the hydro side. so far aside from needing a lot of magnesium. i have yet to see any micro deficiencies using coco. it's so hard to get micro defs growing anyway. unless your plants just aren't getting any food then you should never see a micro deficiency.
also someone said something about small buds being a symptom of lacking calcium. it's actually a lack of magnesium. and since this is coco that's not surprising.
crazycanadian
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also would it be ok to lower the light a couple feet and/or put my plants more directly under it....when i did my soil plants i had a 400 watt HPS that was directly over them and a lot closer i just dont wanna risk buring these thanks!
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what wattage is the lamp?
i try and give my seedlings as much light as i can or get them as close to it as possible so they don't stretch too much before transplant.
if you can tolerate the heat on the back of your hand for 2 minutes at the top of the plants then it's fine for the plants too.
i would also group them closer to the center of the lamp too. until they get bigger anyway. unless you have reasons for them being in a long line like that.
one more thing...lol this is like my 4th edit. what size is that tent? looks perfect for my purposes in the future.
i try and give my seedlings as much light as i can or get them as close to it as possible so they don't stretch too much before transplant.
if you can tolerate the heat on the back of your hand for 2 minutes at the top of the plants then it's fine for the plants too.
i would also group them closer to the center of the lamp too. until they get bigger anyway. unless you have reasons for them being in a long line like that.
one more thing...lol this is like my 4th edit. what size is that tent? looks perfect for my purposes in the future.
crazycanadian
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hey man thank you so much for your advice...yes i always do the back of the hand thing and im gonna move the closer...just seeing the leaves pointing up on some of them scared me....the tent is 5x5 ....cant remember the brand but it cost about 130 dollars...no light leaks other than a couple little pin hole ones around the zipper...it has a big main door...6 ports...3 floor vents...and 2 big flaps that i have open now...so much better than the closet i used to use...the light its a 1000 watt digital dimmable MH/HPS...i currently have the MH in there and its set at the lowest setting 50 % so 500 watts...its not overly hot and now that my plants are popped im just gonna leave the very new ones on the edge....what did you think about my feeding idea? thanks so much again!
fatsack79
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hey fatsack i missed you. i posted some new pics in my thread for you to check out.
@CrazyCanadian
i would wait till at least week 2-3 before feeding em. it's not going to make a difference if you feed em or not. they don't eat anything till the cotyledons start to die. it's like the umbilical cord on a baby. it's not gonna take food through its mouth till the cord that feeds it is cut.
@CrazyCanadian
i would wait till at least week 2-3 before feeding em. it's not going to make a difference if you feed em or not. they don't eat anything till the cotyledons start to die. it's like the umbilical cord on a baby. it's not gonna take food through its mouth till the cord that feeds it is cut.
Miraculous Meds
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Im not an expert with seed, but its not about giving them nutrients, id just be worried about inbalancing the cec of the coco if just using water. I did just start like 80 plus seeds like I suggested and didn't have any problems. Look in my thread in my sig at how they look now, I don't have pics of them as babies.
Also I don't have to ph anything either as I use gh 6/9 in ro water and I know it comes out 1.2ec and ph 5.8-9 every time. Nothing easier imo.
Also I don't have to ph anything either as I use gh 6/9 in ro water and I know it comes out 1.2ec and ph 5.8-9 every time. Nothing easier imo.
crazycanadian
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hey guys....lowered the light....im down to exactly 50 now....probably gonna pull a few more runts as ive been doing...and end up with 40....im hoping my new seeds will germ in the next day or so....tomorrow it will be exactly 1 wk since the first seeds popped...the tops of the cups are really really dry so i gave them a light mist w/my sprayer bottle...nothing heavy though...and hopefully my 7 in the back will have popped up by morning...here are the pics of the lights lowered....did the back of the hand test...its warm...but def not hot...and the fan keeps the air moving!
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crazycanadian
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btw the box in the back contains my germinating seeds...the light is also about 3 ft away...cant wait to see what these hold...also when i misted them...it was w/the left over rhyzotonic...which can be used as a foliar feed....just wetted the tops and gave the leaves a misting of them...about half of them seem to be growing pretty steadily...the rest a bit slower...but i guess thats what happens with brickweed seeds...its like a box of chocolates...never know what you will get...ALL YOU GUYS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED AND GIVEN ME ADVICE THUS FAR...A BIG THANK YOU
That's too dry IMO! You are in coco now so forget most of what you learned in soil
1 week in a cup with no water/feed is craaaaazy
Experiment! give some of them water/feed, just the ones you want to livecrazycanadian
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sad and bad morning...
sad and bad morning...
not a good morning at all...i ended up having to yank a bunch of my seedlings...i few had just flopped over and the rest were clearly just not growing....im down to 30 now....out of the 70 or so that were started..out of those 30...12 look pretty good...the rest just are not growing so i am close to yanking those as well...idk if its genetics or that im just not good with the coco...i just germinated the last of my seeds...about 50 or so....one had cracked the shell after last night and i planted it this morning....if things dont get better soon...im getting to the point where i might just scrap this grow and go back to soil...maybe coco just isnt for me...i really want it to work...but i dont want to keep sinking time and money in for wasted efforts...if i do that...i think ill order from oregon green seed and do a soil grow...something i can do with ease...even if it doest grow as fast or yield as much...here are some pics...tell me if you all think its worth keeping...thanks!
i put the ones in the middle that are the most hopeful- ie they are the ones that are growing a 2nd set of leaves and/or look healthier
sad and bad morning...
not a good morning at all...i ended up having to yank a bunch of my seedlings...i few had just flopped over and the rest were clearly just not growing....im down to 30 now....out of the 70 or so that were started..out of those 30...12 look pretty good...the rest just are not growing so i am close to yanking those as well...idk if its genetics or that im just not good with the coco...i just germinated the last of my seeds...about 50 or so....one had cracked the shell after last night and i planted it this morning....if things dont get better soon...im getting to the point where i might just scrap this grow and go back to soil...maybe coco just isnt for me...i really want it to work...but i dont want to keep sinking time and money in for wasted efforts...if i do that...i think ill order from oregon green seed and do a soil grow...something i can do with ease...even if it doest grow as fast or yield as much...here are some pics...tell me if you all think its worth keeping...thanks!
i put the ones in the middle that are the most hopeful- ie they are the ones that are growing a 2nd set of leaves and/or look healthier
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crazycanadian
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...i also gave them a tiny bit of water...they were bone dry....about 1/4 cup each
crazycanadian
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so heres my question...if coco is so good then why are these seedlings growing so slow...i find it hard to believe that they dont require any food....my soil plants at this much time were 2-3 times the size...im pissed b/c those were all my best seeds and they look like shit now....hopefully my next ones germinate and when they do they are going in soil..i dont have time to waste with coco...guess it just doesnt work for me...not sure what the trick is...but my plants look like shit....should have just gone w/soil from the beginning since i know how to do it...
crazycanadian
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just gave them 1/4 strength nutes....we'll see what happens ...i can say im pretty sure ill never grow in coco again...def not worth it...
too cold too wet. once it's drier and warmer they'll start growing faster. you shouldn't have watered so much in the beginning. but hindsight being 20/20 you'll be ready for next round with a better understanding of what went wrong.
shit i just transplanted a baby seedling i shoulda taken pics for you. i think it was in my picture if this was the thread i posted a pic to. it just got real lanky, it took it out the one that i potted really shallow. it was too cold and wet so the roots didn't go anywhere. i exhumed it, repotted it with more room for the roots. watered it once, and i'm not gonna water again till the pot is dry.
shit i just transplanted a baby seedling i shoulda taken pics for you. i think it was in my picture if this was the thread i posted a pic to. it just got real lanky, it took it out the one that i potted really shallow. it was too cold and wet so the roots didn't go anywhere. i exhumed it, repotted it with more room for the roots. watered it once, and i'm not gonna water again till the pot is dry.
crazycanadian
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So.should I.just toss them....or is there any hope ...I just pullled another one.that had dampened off....really sad since this is medicine for my sick wife...and makes me feel worthless especially since I havr had successful soil grows...
Miraculous Meds
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This is ur first try and ur done. This is the first time u used coco and u used all ur good seeds. Do u see the point im trying to make here.
Yeah u screwed up and caused slow growth. It happens and is part of learning. Just next time u try something new maybe try a small test sample first so u don't run into problems with everything.
In my posts I told u about not saturating the medium with seedlings and using coco nutrients at low strength just to keep the cec correct. cec in coco makes the coco release more K and draw in mg and ca. that's why plain water is no good, it exasperates these nutrient needs, and ur plant doesn't take anything up.
My problem was they grew too fast and I thought I needed to keep the light away from the seedlings not to burn them. But once they got going they stretched to a few inches before I realized that I needed to get the light down on them.
Maybe next seeds u pop go traditional soil but do just a couple like I said in coco and see how they do for u. Im sure u will be pleased, but if not then ur not set back anything but a seed or two.
