Recreational VS Medical Cannabis (the future)

[caredrivensf]

I want to start a convo. about this. Are cannabis lovers for legalization, and if so for medical, recreational, or both?? And how can we ensure that whichever way we go, we can all be successful and not scared of a huge corporate takeover of our beloved crop and culture!!

Here is my opinion. I feel that cannabis should be legal for medical purposes only. And Im not talking about the level of pharmaceutical medicine, Im talking about the natural medicinal properties cannabis provides. I personally do not think it should be treated as a pharmaceutical and be regulated as one. Sure I think there should be consumer protections and some level of regulation, but not full blown gov. involvment, unless you plan to provide cannabis for more "advanced" treatments of serious disease. I think CA had it right for prop 215 all along. The laws were written so perfectly!! IMO!!

As far as a corporate takover goes, please take a look at the people who in the Legal states are industry leaders. They are passionate cannabis ppl, not some random corporate BS. Now you do see these clowns at the conventions/ trade shows and you see noone at their booths. Our culture knows these snakes and we automatically dont support them. Now Im not saying a corporate structure is bad, its essential in fact to be successful, or at least some type of structure. Dont be scared if you want to be sucessful in the cannabis industry you will find your way. Noone is going to "squeeze" out the lil man, as long as the lil man stays focused has a goal.



What do you all think??

 

[Preacher]

I believe that cannabis is a plant. As a plant, it should be completely legal, as God willed it to be. And yes, I realize that corporations would fuck it up were cannabis to be fully legal. That is but the nature of capitalism, and sooner or later, it'll come crashing down. In the meantime, let it- it's the error of Man (read: the super-rich) to try to control both nature and God.

God gave us dominion over all, including the herbs. In the end, we win.

 

[Scroggy B]

I don't know the legal status of cannabis in your country, it's difficult for a non-American to understand.. But I know here it's completely illegal to grow and consume, except registered patients that get their cannabis from dispensaries for a reduced price. It's known to be one of the most bureaucracy-ridden medical processes and takes over a year. There are very strict criteria for becoming a medical mj patient - and they're consisted of :
-Having a terrible disease like cancer, Crohn's or something like that.
-Receiving a conventional escalating course of pain therapy.
Even if you could prove to the doctor that cannabis helps you more than any other substance, you will still have to go through the conventional course of therapy. If pain is your reason for getting a license, you'll actually have to go through OPIATES first to get MARIJUANA last!
So, in my opinion, every citizen of every country deserves the best medical marijuana that the country can provide him in case of illness! Especially the people who served the country and now need that favor back. The nightmares the medicinal mj authorities make the handicapped (mentally and physically) go through are unimaginable! Getting a license should be as easy as going to the doctor.
Recreational mj is a whole other thing. Of course in an ideal world it would have been legalized a long time ago... Hey, it actually WAS legal not so long ago. The problem these days are all the synthetic designer drugs that hit the streets. I remember when I was a kid, everyone said pot is dangerous and will lead me to shooting up heroin. Well it didn't, and I assumed the whole anti-drug campaign was one big lie. But it isn't. There are some really dangerous substances out there, even ecstasy can be fatal. Teenagers by definition want to cross red lines and do things that are forbidden and illegal. If pot is to be completely legal and smoking it will become a mainstream activity, it will no longer attract teens, and they shall switch to other drugs, which are for sure more dangerous than pot.
The governments should differentiate between medical mj (for everyone, even kids) and recreational mj (adults only). How? Hell knows, I ain't no lawmaker, I smoke too much to be one =)

 

[stoned-trout]

it should be legal for all ..anyone that thinks otherwise is narrow minded...and that's that..and I want in god we trust taken off our money as its obvious we don't..leave it to humans to fuck up a true gift..one of the most amazing plants on the planet

 

[caredrivensf]

God gave us dominion over all, including the herbs. In the end, we win.

See this quote here is where things all became different. The original script says man is the protector of all plants and animals. Man once the scientific method was created and ppl were brainwashed into thinking that man was the supreme being and that we can control every single thing, the verse changed into what you typed. I hope you are not as naive as to beleive your own quote. MAn does not rule this earth

 

[caredrivensf]

I just want to point out that it is my opinion that the world has a law of abundance and tht corporate america is not gonna squeeze me outa a damn thing. whos with me!!!

 

[Warped1]

Here is my opinion. I feel that cannabis should be legal for medical purposes only.

Unless Cannabis is made 100% legal for everyone, recreational as well as medical, then things won't really be any different than they are right now. Why this thinking of only the sick being the ones to benefit from using Cannabis drives me batty. I'm in no way opposed to mmj, I think it's great. But come on.

I don't blame growers who are in the game trying to make their nut. Hell enough of them have been in and out of jail or prison because there has always been a demand for a product. Where would mmj be without these people? I don't agree with our state and federal lands being abused by the cartels, destroying water sources and the ground itself. Total legalization would diminish that I think.

I'm just for growing my own and being left alone. The government will never keep it's greedy hands out of our business even if it is made legal. I'm sure it will still be against the law to cultivate. I don't know what the answer is. I do know that I'd like to see putting people behind bars for having a plant come to an end.

 

[caredrivensf]

Here is my opinion. I feel that cannabis should be legal for medical purposes only.

Unless Cannabis is made 100% legal for everyone, recreational as well as medical, then things won't really be any different than they are right now. Why this thinking of only the sick being the ones to benefit from using Cannabis drives me batty. I'm in no way opposed to mmj, I think it's great. But come on.

I don't blame growers who are in the game trying to make their nut. Hell enough of them have been in and out of jail or prison because there has always been a demand for a product. Where would mmj be without these people? I don't agree with our state and federal lands being abused by the cartels, destroying water sources and the ground itself. Total legalization would diminish that I think.

I'm just for growing my own and being left alone. The government will never keep it's greedy hands out of our business even if it is made legal. I'm sure it will still be against the law to cultivate. I don't know what the answer is. I do know that I'd like to see putting people behind bars for having a plant come to an end.

Maybe I should clarify. I like the prop 215 laws as it pertains to growers. As for legalization just for medical purposes I meant to say that YES it should be legal for all but not necessarily promoted for "recreational" use Even though I am a pothead and started smoking tree at age 12 I have matured into enjoying the theraputic benefits cannabis brings.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Who are we as humans to tell another human what they can consume and what they can not? I believe its beyond our right to be able to tell another person what they can do with their own bodies and lives.

We can have our own opinions, and educate, but to force our belief on someone else is the biggest problem in this world.

 

[RonSmooth]

See this quote here is where things all became different. The original script says man is the protector of all plants and animals. Man once the scientific method was created and ppl were brainwashed into thinking that man was the supreme being and that we can control every single thing, the verse changed into what you typed. I hope you are not as naive as to beleive your own quote. MAn does not rule this earth

The scientific method brainwashed people?

Are you serious?

Do you even know what the scientific method entails?

Its fundamental purpose is to question authority and to approach questions objectively using observation, experimentation, repetition...

Science has no agenda. Can you say the same?

 

[caredrivensf]

The scientific method brainwashed people?

Are you serious?

Do you even know what the scientific method entails?

Its fundamental purpose is to question authority and to approach questions objectively using observation, experimentation, repetition...

Science has no agenda. Can you say the same?

Its not the scientific method or scientists but rather the powers that be who saw peoples new way of thinking and used it for their advantage to rewrite scripts to say that man rules the world. Yes I know what Im talking about. I said man was brianwashed into thinking he is the ruler of this earth and all plants and animals, not the protector. Thats why for a long period of time no one gave a shit about the consequences on the earth, mankind just wanted to experiment with stuff.

 

[Preacher]

See this quote here is where things all became different. The original script says man is the protector of all plants and animals. Man once the scientific method was created and ppl were brainwashed into thinking that man was the supreme being and that we can control every single thing, the verse changed into what you typed. I hope you are not as naive as to beleive your own quote. MAn does not rule this earth

do·min·ion
/dəˈminyən/

noun
1. sovereignty; control.
"man's attempt to establish dominion over nature"

I believe we have the God-given right to rule all other life on this Earth, and that protecting that life is a necessary part of sovereignty. What I do not believe but rather know, as it is obvious, is that we are able to control it. Look at these very forums for proof of that- do we not control and breed cannabis in a very homogeneous manner for optimal output?

 

[bombadil.360]

I don't know the legal status of cannabis in your country, it's difficult for a non-American to understand.. But I know here it's completely illegal to grow and consume, except registered patients that get their cannabis from dispensaries for a reduced price. It's known to be one of the most bureaucracy-ridden medical processes and takes over a year. There are very strict criteria for becoming a medical mj patient - and they're consisted of :
-Having a terrible disease like cancer, Crohn's or something like that.
-Receiving a conventional escalating course of pain therapy.
Even if you could prove to the doctor that cannabis helps you more than any other substance, you will still have to go through the conventional course of therapy. If pain is your reason for getting a license, you'll actually have to go through OPIATES first to get MARIJUANA last!
So, in my opinion, every citizen of every country deserves the best medical marijuana that the country can provide him in case of illness! Especially the people who served the country and now need that favor back. The nightmares the medicinal mj authorities make the handicapped (mentally and physically) go through are unimaginable! Getting a license should be as easy as going to the doctor.
Recreational mj is a whole other thing. Of course in an ideal world it would have been legalized a long time ago... Hey, it actually WAS legal not so long ago. The problem these days are all the synthetic designer drugs that hit the streets. I remember when I was a kid, everyone said pot is dangerous and will lead me to shooting up heroin. Well it didn't, and I assumed the whole anti-drug campaign was one big lie. But it isn't. There are some really dangerous substances out there, even ecstasy can be fatal. Teenagers by definition want to cross red lines and do things that are forbidden and illegal. If pot is to be completely legal and smoking it will become a mainstream activity, it will no longer attract teens, and they shall switch to other drugs, which are for sure more dangerous than pot.
The governments should differentiate between medical mj (for everyone, even kids) and recreational mj (adults only). How? Hell knows, I ain't no lawmaker, I smoke too much to be one =)

Indeed Scroggy... getting a medical script out here is pretty ridiculous, and very expensive too! all the specialists you need to visit cost a lot of money etc...

if you are lucky, and you have an uncle working in a place that can speed up your license, then you are set, as most things in this country, protexia, combina and more protexia... sucks for us with none of it though.

peace!

 

[bombadil.360]

I believe we have the God-given right to rule all other life on this Earth, and that protecting that life is a necessary part of sovereignty.

sadly, we as species do not protect any other species, whether animal or from the plant kingdom, and much less do we protect their respective environments. Man is nothing more than a glorified ape with superiority complex, that has proven himself unworthy of any "God-given rights".

We are, in fact, the most stupid and incompetent species on Earth. The proof? just look at what we have done with the world.

 

[Rinse]

All plants should be legal, to use however one wishes to (as long as its on yourself).
See first they outlaw a plant (as if that has any basis in reality)...
Second they tell you what you can and cant do with your OWN body...
There is a word for that its called SLAVERY.

 

[St. Phatty]

What do you all think??

If the story follows the arc of other industries, a few pivotal entrepreurs will emerge, publicly.

They already exist. some of us have met them or been invited to social functions where folks smoke pot and meet other folks in the industry and eat really good food.

There will be a few who will come out of the closet, go through the hassle of taking their income & industry public. we will know their names once they are covered in the financial press.


Of course, there will also eventually be, a Cannabis Billionaire, by way of an IPO or something.

As for the laws, the LEO's are still able to ruin people's lives with pot charges. That paradox needs to end.


I would like to see more business-people out themselves about their cannabis use and to vote with their feet, by moving their businesses out of cannabis unfriendly states.

Both Apple and Yahoo have a rich heritage of Cannabis and drug use, at the founder and first group of employees- level.

It's possible that the historical change could come from Silicon Valley. Imagine Apple coming out with a Vaporizer as part of their Medical Products division.

That sounds ridiculous but it is quite consistent with the history of Sili Valley. Of course for Jobs and Wozniak, Yang and Filo, and Larry Ellison (Oracle), a pipe was just something that needed to be cleaned, not a product to be sold.

 

[barnyard]

great topic and input

everyone has something that cannabis can help even if its just blowing steam on a Saturday night...so why create a bureaucracy to access her?

Cannabis should be totally legal and people should be able to grow MJ among their Azaleas.

 

[BigBozat]

it should be legal for all ..anyone that thinks otherwise is narrow minded...and that's that..and I want in god we trust taken off our money as its obvious we don't..leave it to humans to fuck up a true gift..one of the most amazing plants on the planet

I second that motion/emotion!

 

[BigBozat]

All plants should be legal, to use however one wishes to (as long as its on yourself).
See first they outlaw a plant (as if that has any basis in reality)...
Second they tell you what you can and cant do with your OWN body...
There is a word for that its called SLAVERY.

True enough if you're of age of majority & competent to make your own judgments... and willing to accept all consequences/costs (if any).

Not necessarily true for minors, nor if what you do with your own body has impacts beyond yourself (e.g., systemic health care costs, to the extent mj impacts ~ which it does, albeit IMO much less than cigs or alcohol or just driving a car).

TOTAL free-for-all, no holds barred rec mj for anyone of any age & without regard to systemic/societal impacts is a pipe dream... our society (and most societies I'm aware of) invokes a public/common good exception to the sacrosanctity of individual liberty... and, I think, legitimately so [at least conceptually... where the line is drawn & what the details of its implementation are, is another argument altogether].

[As an aside: In the classic tradition of liberal human rights, a ban on the practice of slavery means that there is a limit on what you can do to your own body, i.e., you can't sell yourself into slavery. Nor should you be able to.]

 

[Preacher]

sadly, we as species do not protect any other species, whether animal or from the plant kingdom, and much less do we protect their respective environments. Man is nothing more than a glorified ape with superiority complex, that has proven himself unworthy of any "God-given rights".

We are, in fact, the most stupid and incompetent species on Earth. The proof? just look at what we have done with the world.

Mankind is basically good. We simply have the idiocy of giving the most power to the most wicked.

Edit at above: you basically mention indentured servitude, which in the New World was the main method of getting the poor to it, and also awakening its new economy to the fact that lifelong servitude was necessary. Thus, giving oneself to slavery, even temporarily, awakens your rulers to the fact that the permanent form is in their best interests.