PLEASE HELP MY PLANTS!

[crazycanadian]

hey guys....first time doing a coco grow...have grown in soil a few times...started inside finished outdoors...each time successfully....so im not brand new to growing...but id still consider myself an amateur and i have never done coco before...i am growing some good bag seed...as i ordered 2 times from the tude and my seeds got jacked and i got the envelope with the fancy green tape on it...anyways..i germinated my seeds in paper towel last wk...and they all had popped by the end of the week/wknd...i then transplated into 16 oz beer cups with just coco...some popped monday night...the rest all by wed and i still have 25 that germed later that im hoping will pop by the beginning of the wk...in total i have 55 that have popped through and opened up...lighting...i am using a 1000 watt HPS/MH dimmable digital light...i currently have it dimmed to 500 watts...the lowest it will go...the seedlings are all around the edge of the plant and the light WAS about 5 feet above them...both side flaps and door of the 5x5 ten are open and i have a good refrigerated air in the room so there dont seem to be a lot of heat build ups....since they popped i have fed them nothing but rhyzotonic at a normal dose to help root development...i water when the top of the coco looks a little dry and the cup feels light...anyways...last night i noticed that some of the leaves on the plats are POINTING upwards a bit...not browned or yellow but just pointing upward...i just went out this morning and bought an oscillating fan and put it in their on high and misted the top of the plants with plain water...im praying this isnt heat stress...i even raised the light up another foot so its now at 6 FT instead of 5 FT... the plants are all a nice dark green color and some of the bigger ones- the 2nd set of leaves are starting to pop out...its been awhile since i have grown...but they seem to be growing slower than my soil grows in the past..they are ..all between 3-5 days old...please tell me how they look...the tent also has a nice breeze in it...please help...even though i have tons of seeds i dont wanna have to start over...IS THERE HOPE!??

 

[fulltimehuman]

They look healthy! My only suggestion is STOP STRESSING and GUESSING. They WILL pick up on that. Trust cannabis she is a smart old lady.

 

[GonjaLove]

They look fine to me. Sometimes the leaves will reach up to the light like theyre praying...its not a bad thing. Watch a time lapse video of growing cannabis. You'd be surprised how much they move. What nutes are you planning to use?

 

[crazycanadian]

hey thanks for the fast response guys....im currently using rhyzotonic w/evey watering....they seem to respond well to that...from everything i have read...coco is like a sponge- just a material to transport nutes with nothing in it itself...i will be using the canna a and b once they get a little bigger and PK 13/14 for flowering...i had to pull a few more little seedlings that didnt make it...they looked yellow and weak and when i looked the root had sadly kind of rotted...ive been really careful not to over water but not to underwater since coco dries out fast...im trying to er on the side of caution and really get a feel for the weight...bc id rather have them a little thirsty then saturated...again thats why i planted so many seeds and i have 25 more waiting to pop...i even recovered those with plastic b/c the coco on top was drying out so much after having them uncovered for just 2 days...i only misted them to keep them moist....hoping tomorrow ill have more...ideally id like to havev 25-30 good strong females...in 1 gal. bags....made into a circle with my vertical bare bulb in the middle running at 1000 watts once they are big enough to take that intensity...im only going to veg till they get a couple sets of leaves then start them right into flower....hopefully they will get a bit of stretch to them...its too hard to tell if they are indica or sativa dom...but the weed they came from def has more of an indica feel...im growing bc my poor wife has chrons and is in constant pain...so id really like to get it right and have a decent yield...thanks a gain guys...PS the fan is def helping to cool things down a bit...ALSO...should i wait till the cots turn yellow and crisp to start the canna a and b or should i start at a very very low dosage w/the rhyzotonic...thanks again ! CC

 

[Weeded1s]

Out of curiousity..did u set your cec in your coco and what type of coco is it?

 

[crazycanadian]

not sure what CEC is...i have canna coco...my damn ph meter is broken so i have to order another one...i know i really need one...so far the tap water doesnt seem to be bad on them...i know it has trace minerals...that are needed...i also gave my coco a good rinse and squeezed all the excess water out out before putting it in the cups....it just seems like my soil plants grew faster than this...but again most of them are only roughly 3 days old...so i hope the growth pics up a bit at the week mark...the seeds were all fat and stripped and germinated pretty quickly...i know everyone hates on mexican brick but the stuff i get is pretty fluffy and green...not all brown and moldy...hoping to find a female thats work keeping out of them all!

 

[stoned40yrs]

You should have read up more on coco. Big mistake rinsing that canna. It was precharged and you rinsed the charge away. Now that coco will be grabbing things from your feed to restore its cation levels and withholding those things from the plant until its balanced or charged again. Coco is NOT like a sponge and just a material to transport nutes, with nothing in it itself. It's some finickyass stuff and you need either a ph meter or drops to make sure you are around 5.8ph. Now you have to recharge that coco or problems will happen.

 

[crazycanadian]

well by rinsing i mean i filled a kiddie pool with water to hydrate the 11 lb brick...it soaked up all the water and when i put it in the cup i just squeezed out the excess so it wouldnt be overly saturated for the seeds...i guess ill buy some PH strips in the mean time....by charging the coco how so...i read up quite a bit but there is a lot of conflicting info on it...

 

[crazycanadian]

i read about precharging coco....its basically to give it nutes...i am using rhyzotonic which is full of micro nutes for the baby plants...also i didnt want there to be excess salts which even in todays coco can occur...

 

[stoned40yrs]

well by rinsing i mean i filled a kiddie pool with water to hydrate the 11 lb brick...it soaked up all the water and when i put it in the cup i just squeezed out the excess so it wouldnt be overly saturated for the seeds...i guess ill buy some PH strips in the mean time....by charging the coco how so...i read up quite a bit but there is a lot of conflicting info on it...

I heard Canna was coming out with blocks, you're are the first person I read about using them. Canna precharges their loose coco so you might be ok. When you said rinse I thought you ran a lot of water through it. Just hydrating Canna you should be ok. Buy the drops to test ph instead of strips if you can. They be just as cheap and far better. Look on your bag of Canna and see if it was charged.

 

[crazycanadian]

it also seems like the vast majority of people who grow in coco from what i read rinse it

 

[crazycanadian]

it was "cocotek" not "cannacoco" my bad...for the sloppy wording here is the stuff:

http://hydrobuilder.com/cocotek-5kg...A1uqGgMkj_Vfllv-w_yaTST4kFzXW6JgHQaAk9D8P8HAQ

...it does say PH balanced glad i just squeezed out excess water!

 

[stihgnobevoli]

i was pretty sure i had replied to this thread already. you're over mothering them. they haven't developed a root system yet and they don't need food. i believe you said it wasn't food but a root stimulant.

anyway here's your solution. ready? stop watering them everyday and let them have a chance to dry out. roots get longer by stretching out looking for water. if it's always wet they won't go anywhere. that's also why some of your seedlings are rotting and dying. thats called damping off. the soil is too moist and bacteria are growing in the oxygen less environment you're creating by keeping the soil wet. if you're concerned about them drying out just mist the top of the soil lightly once a day. the rest of it is not gonna dry out that fast with no roots to suck up water.

trust me on this one, i'm a legend around these parts. i've seen almost every issue you can think of and know how to recover from it if possible.

i don't know why everyone is so hung up on keeping coco at 5.8 either. i don't even use a pH meter unless something is wrong and i need to make sure it's not a pH issue. i'm sure my coco is not 5.8 i'm sure it's nowhere near it. it's prolly closer to 6.5-7.



doesn't look pretty, doesn't need to, just needs to not be dying, you can always recover a plant if it's not dying. it's like a pop fly, as long as it's in the air, no matter how far away you think you are from it, there's always a possibility to catch it before it hit's the ground.

front row. left to right (#1)recently rooted clone as in 3 days ago. barely made it. but the roots finally took and it's starting to come back, i'll show you it's progress in a week if you'd like. (#2) 4 day old seedling i just took from a seed starting tray and put into this pot i'm gonna veg in till i'm ready to flower in the 1qt pots i use like (#3) 2-3 week old seedling just transplanted from the smaller pot. in a week it will have mostly colonized this pot with roots and i will throw it into flower.

second row left to right: (#4) 2 day old seedling i sprouted it in that pot in a shallow amount of soil. once it's up like this i water well one time and DONT WATER AGAIN till it's used up all that water. as in completely almost bone dry. THIS is what you should be doing to encourage the roots to grow not watering them and keeping them wet all the time. (#5-6-7) 3 clones from the plant in the back left my wbk mom. They have just rooted like the day or 2 days tops before i took this picture. in about 2 weeks they should be almost as big as the mom is and i will toss em in the flower.

back row (#8)mom plant, been in this pot for...shit like a year now. i flowered it out, revegged, flowered it again, and it's on second reveg. (#9) you can's see but it's a 3-4 week old seedling that's been in that pot a week and i just put it in flower. its what the one in the front row will look like in a week. lastly (#10) an NL clone that on it's first or second reveg. my seeds didn't take so i need to keep her one more round.

they all have their varying degrees of issues, but as long as you know what the issues are and that they won't kill the plant right now then it's cool you can just coast. with a small cab like this i have to coast. that bitch in the back is ugly, but she's alive and within a week her clones go from ashy to classy.

it's...i found a better analogy. it's just like coasting your car to save gas. you only apply the pedal when you need to.

basically the point of that story was a specific ph isn't important so much as a specific range. keep the pH below 7 and above 5.5 and you'll be in the zone.

 

[stoned40yrs]

I use Cocotek. I always rinse it good and charge it because I could never find any info where it said it was precharged. I doubt it is. They buy them blocks from Sri Lanka and put their wrapping on it. Loose bags of coco are the only precharged coco I know of.

 

[crazycanadian]

i was pretty sure i had replied to this thread already. you're over mothering them. they haven't developed a root system yet and they don't need food. i believe you said it wasn't food but a root stimulant.

anyway here's your solution. ready? stop watering them everyday and let them have a chance to dry out. roots get longer by stretching out looking for water. if it's always wet they won't go anywhere. that's also why some of your seedlings are rotting and dying. thats called damping off. the soil is too moist and bacteria are growing in the oxygen less environment you're creating by keeping the soil wet. if you're concerned about them drying out just mist the top of the soil lightly once a day. the rest of it is not gonna dry out that fast with no roots to suck up water.

trust me on this one, i'm a legend around these parts. i've seen almost every issue you can think of and know how to recover from it if possible.

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Hey thanks so much for the reply and yes i remember your other post...i moved my stuff to this section since it is just for coco...im glad you are an expert...as i could really use a helping hand...i gave them a little root stim on thurs am but did not saturate them....how long should i let them dry out...i was thinking not water till monday? or should i go longer...yes i did have to pull a few seedling....luckily only 6 i think...and i quickly learned my mistake w/over watering...i never over watered with soil...but since the coco doesnt have much for nutes...i was desperate to get some into the soil...(when i did organics...my starter was some rich potting soil...worm castings...coco and perlite...the babies just loved it and i didnt have to feed for 3 wks)...however with the coco i didnt want them to be nute deprived...they look like they are holding strong too...the fan as i said is making a huge difference...anyways...thanks for your help..its greatly appreciated!

 

[Weeded1s]

Id be very careful claiming this to newbs .

"Ph in coco 6.5 _7 ph "
if it works for u great but 5.6 _5.9 and the plant will adjust ph where 2 where it needs it (no ph in oraganics only due to time it takes the plant to break down those organics). Even if the coco does ok at 7 ph...its waisting grow time on adjusting the ph to the level it needs. Plants can only intake nutrients at certain ph levels ..just to clarify fo ne 1 reading this.
I reccomend a ph pen at first and eventually youll know 10 drops gh ph up makes 6/9 jungle juice 5.7 ph everytime.
To the op stick with it..and I might would have prob most deff. At least ran a .9 ec through it.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

yeah plant take in nutrients at a range of ph which is why i told him to keep it between 5.5-7 so that he can get all the nutrients in the range. and also so he doesn't waste his entire life chasing a pH he will never be able to keep fixed since as the plants eat the pH changes. and plants are gonna be eating all the time so why waste your time trying to keep a thing that will not be fixed, in a fixed position?


fuckin dog chasing tail.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Ok there is a couple things that u need to have a grasp on when using coco coir.

The cec is cation exchange capability. In coco it releases more K and draws in ca and mg. That's why coco nutrients are tailored with more ca and mg, and less K. this is also why u should be feeding even seedlings with at least 1/4 strength coco nutrients to keep the cec balanced otherwise u will cause deficiencies and nutrient lockouts.

PH 5.8 is a nice middle point to always aim for. It is the sweet spot that makes the correct amount of ca and mg available to the plant. As long as ur in the range of 5.5 to 6.0 while feeding u should be in good shape. Ph or environment is usually the reason u might have a deficiency, because ur coco nutrients have everything ur plants need. So if ur ph is high making mg more available, too much mg available will now lock out calcium. See what I mean, ur nutrients have what ur plants need but because ur ph is off it makes imbalances that cause the deficiency. So a lot of people then make the mistake of adding more mg by way of Epsom salt, or cal-mag, just throwing off their nutrient profile even worse. When the problem was really just availability of nutrients due to ph being off. So the answer is to adjust the ph down when feeding making mg and ca available at the correct rates again. That was a long winded example of how to understand and manage deficiencies in coco, that will save u a lot of headaches and put u well ahead of the curve.

Also don't put the fan directly on the plants or u will have a vpd, or plant transpiration problem.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

yeah plant take in nutrients at a range of ph which is why i told him to keep it between 5.5-7 so that he can get all the nutrients in the range. and also so he doesn't waste his entire life chasing a pH he will never be able to keep fixed since as the plants eat the pH changes. and plants are gonna be eating all the time so why waste your time trying to keep a thing that will not be fixed, in a fixed position?


fuckin dog chasing tail.

U don't chase the ph. U just feed in the 5.5 to 6 range. don't worry about what comes out unless u have problems u can use that to diagnose how to steer the ph higher or lower to make certain nutrients more available this fixing deficiencies.

And ph approaching 7 doesn't work so well in coco. u will certainly see ca, and K deficiencies. Actually u will see all deficiencies eventually cause the cec will be screwed and u wont be taking the righ ratio of nutrients at all.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Watering

while the plants are small just give small amounts of water not saturating the medium. Then let dry to the point where its almost as light as before u ever watered it. After several times doing this the roots will start to fill the pot in. When u can fully saturate and the plant dries in one day and the roots have totally filled in the pot then u can water constantly or transplant to a larger pot and go back to slowly filling the pot with roots before u saturate it.

Don't keep coco constantly wet until u have filled in the pot with roots. After the roots have totally filled in do not let coco dry.