Gorilla Glue #4

[miscbrah3284]

been fun catching up on this thread lol

glad i tried the glue early on....i wanna know the THC % tho still

still nobody has really posting % test results that ive seen....it's the new blue dream imo......that yielddddddddd

 

[sourpuss]

Nice glue eaglejones! But I thought this was the eagle 20 thread.... fuck im blazed in 2 secs your name went from milkyjoe to eaglejones in my mind.... lol...

 

[Luther Burbank]

I have rechecked the labels, you are correct that for stone fruits it has been approved for up to day of harvest. I'm willing to admit when I've misread. This does not however change the fact that it has not been approved, or at all tested, for use on cannabis or anything consumed through inhalation.

The MSDS is clear on the risks of the two main ingredients in Eagle 20, and I see zero reason to suggest that this product is safe for use on cannabis. The onus is not on me to prove that a product approved for use on ornamentals and some fruits isn't safe for use on a completely unrelated plant with a completely unrelated use. To assume that it is safe for use on cannabis because it hasn't been proven otherwise doesn't make any sense.

 

[OGorganic]

L Oh fucking L hahaha. You should change your name cause none of your gear smells like skunk anymore lol. I used eagle 20 on my moms YEARS ago and it NEVER came back EVER. Hate away tho I find it quite funny.

First of all you need to change your name. eagle 20 is not organic and
Eagle 20's, active ingredient is Myclobutanil, is a PAN Bad Actor Chemical listing three skull and cross bones. This contains, among other scary things, a toxin that can mess with a gentleman's reproductive system. PM is not more evil, Eagle 20 is. You are maybe blinded by the potential loss? Change your name at the least. Do you really smoke that crap? Or just sell it to others that don't know what is on it?
-SamS

 

[Ichabod Crane]

I did not say anything about it being safe for cannabis. My point was to point out that posting incorrect information detracts from any truth that maybe posted with it.

The truth that you allude to and that our exchange shows is that trusting people on this website about fungicides or pesticides may not be the wises thing. It is best to do your own research and take precautions with your own health by doing detailed research before using something that may cause harm to you and your customers.

Hopefully no bad feelings. I have no bad feelings toward you.

 

[OGorganic]

I would also love to be educated on how PM is good for you. Please enlighten us.

 

[nkatadelgormo]

Is this still the glue thread? How about this discussion being elsewhere. There are 25 other threads about this same damn issues you are discussing. Keep it about the glue gentlemen.

 

[Seaf0ur]

http://www.spsonline.com/sps/sites/default/files/imagefield_thumbs/EAGLE%2020EW_MSDS.pdf
http://www.cdms.net/ldat/mp6dg003.pdf


Is this even still a discussion? Eagle20 contains Cyclohexanone, Naphthalene, and Myclobutanil


Cyclohexanone is listed by the American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH) Threshold Limit Value (TLV): 20 ppm, 80 mg/m3 TWA; 50 ppm, 200 mg/m3 STEL; Skin; Appendix A3 - Confirmed Animal Carcinogen with Unknown Relevance to Humans

When the US National Toxicology Program (NTP) exposed male and female rats and mice to naphthalene vapors on weekdays for two years,[26] male and female rats exhibited evidence of carcinogenic activity based on increased incidences of adenoma and neuroblastoma of the nose, female mice exhibited some evidence of carcinogenic activity based on increased incidences of alveolar and bronchiolar adenomas of the lung, and male mice exhibited no evidence of carcinogenic activity.

The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC)[27] classifies naphthalene as possibly carcinogenic to humans and animals (Group 2B). The IARC also points out that acute exposure causes cataracts in humans, rats, rabbits, and mice; and that hemolytic anemia, described above, can occur in children and infants after oral or inhalation exposure or after maternal exposure during pregnancy. Under California's Proposition 65, naphthalene is listed as "known to the State to cause cancer".

and the Myclobutanil?

Laboratory testing – Myclobutanil has been comprehensively evaluated under regulatory
frameworks used for registration and approval of fungicides in the United States, the European
Union, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, Republic of South Africa, and a number of other
countries. These regulatory frameworks require laboratory testing for potential acute, short-term,
and long-term health effects. These tests help scientists and regulators determine how chemicals
might affect humans, domestic animals, or wildlife in case of exposure. Fungicide products used
according to label directions are unlikely to cause toxic effects. The amount of fungicide to which
people and pets may be exposed is very low compared to that used in laboratory testing.

Eye contact – Contact may cause moderate eye irritation and slight corneal injury.

Skin contact – Brief contact is essentially nonirritating. Prolonged contact is unlikely to result in
absorption of harmful amounts.

Inhalation – Prolonged excessive exposure to mist may cause irritation to the upper respiratory
tract (nose and throat).

Ingestion – This material has low toxicity if swallowed. Swallowing small amounts incidental to
normal handling operations is not likely to cause injury; however, swallowing larger amounts may
cause injury.

Repeated exposure – In animal testing, effects have been reported on the adrenal gland, kidney,
liver, testes, and thyroid.

Birth defects/developmental effects – In animal testing, this material has been toxic to the fetus
at doses that are nontoxic to the mother.

Reproductive effects – In animal testing, effects on reproduction have been seen only at doses
that produced significant toxicity to the parent animals.

 

[unregistered190]

Jarring my second run of Glue......cannot wait for round three!

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

the info is super easy to read online.key words half life, environmental fate, and plant residual, search these terms in msds sheets and scholerly articles for all the individual chemicals listed on the product. plus the product itself.

 

[relic1981]

Jarring my second run of Glue......cannot wait for round three!

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nice pics bro, looks like they can be trimmed up better... is it just me or are those buds a bit airy? or is it just the camera and they are dence like good glue tends to be.i def dont want to insult you so please dont take it personally but my glue produces nice dense nugs in about 9 weeks. how long did you run yours for and what method did you use to grow it? i cant believe this thread is still rocking this hard. and seafur, i really like that cartoon you have posted.
peace

relic

 

[GET MO]

eagle 20 is fine as long as you don't spray in flower. Unless maybe you smoke the fan leaves? I wouldn't use the leaves for juicing or anything else if I used eagle 20 on it, but the buds are fine, its all new growth, just don't spray in flower.
Now back to gscookies!

 

[Loc Dog]

Does the half life effect, continue after harvest???

Thanks!!!!

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

Does the half life effect, continue after harvest???

Thanks!!!!

depends on when you spray it.it also depends which ingredient youre talking about.
while im not in favor of this being used in the flowering room i honestly dont think its that scary if done early. but i wouldnt us it on my flowers.
i think the greatest risk is to the applicator and find it hard to believe it would be even detectable if sprayed before 30 days of harvest. so i think theres a bit of truth to it being a lazy treatment when you shouldnt let pm get to this point i also think theres a toxiphobe kneejerk reaction to it that overstates the risk. but i wouldnt choose to smoke flowers sprayed with it personally but i wouldnt flinch at it in veg.
there are better ways to prevent pm imo but this isnt exactly ddt either,
heres a break down of what i found on the individual toxins in this product

the half life of napthalene (totals 25% of eagle 20) is a flash in the pa compared to a grow cycle. not really reasonable to think that would be present.especially cosidering that its half life rages from 4-71 hours depending on conditions.
a mothball has about 2.8 grams of napthalene .
a gallon of foliar spray. enough to treat a mid size room of 10 lights has about a half gram. im guessing less than 10 percent actually stays on the plant vs the floor walls etc. of that id guess less than 1% makes cotact with a part of the plant being smoked but eve if it did its half life is 4-71 hours. so you do the math and id argue it would be easier to overdose on homeopathic arnica than have adverse effects from specifically the napthalene. especially if sprayed in veg.


Cyclohexanone has a half life between 1 and 4 days and is 10% of the total volume of the concentrate.so a gallo would contain .225 grams of the chemical. and once sprayed it would be considered less then present after 21 days. slightly longer than napthalene.
myclobutanil(20% total of product)
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while it has a looooooooooong half life its considered fairly safe on a number food crops. not cannabis but strawbwerries grapes etc as already stated these arent smoked.





the following i just copied from toxipedia
"Uses
Myclobutanil is registered for use on a wide range of food and feed crops. It may also be used in greenhouses, public rights of way, turf, and in landscaping applications. Cotton seeds may be treated with myclobutanil (#EPA).

California accounts for roughly 50% of all myclobutanil use in the US, using 70,000 to 90,000 lbs. annually. Grapes are the most heavily treated crop, using 60% of all myclobutanil in California. Almonds and strawberries are also account for a notable percentage of myclobutanil use in California (#EPA).


Human Health Effects
Myclobutanil has a relatively low acute toxicity. The acute oral LD50 for mice is 1360 mg/kg, and ranges from 1.75 to 1.8 g/kg for rats. Myclobutanil metabolizes into 1,2,4-triazole, which has a lower acute toxicity than the parent compound (#EPA).

Workers exposed to myclobutanil have reported symptoms such as skin rash, allergic dermatitis, itchiness, nausea, heachache, diarrhea, abdominal pain, vomiting, nosebleed, and eye irritation (CDPR).

In a two-generation study on rats over the effects of myclobutanil on reproduction, researchers found a decrease in pup weight gain, increased incidence of stillborns, and atrophy of the testes and prostate (#EPA). Myclobutanil is listed as a developmental toxin in the Toxics Release Inventory (#PANNA).

Chronic toxicity tests on rats found decreased body weight and changes to brain and spleen weight, in addition to reproductive effects (#EPA)."

not that this is how i like to measure food safety but to put i perspective, a rat could consume the entire treatments worth for a twenty pound harvest of myclobutinil and live.

again this may sound like im approving and im not im just trying to balance the hype with some study numbers. strawberries are a fast crop when compared to cannabis. so i dont know. then again i dont smoke strawberries.

 

[Loc Dog]

That must be, "Reply of the Year"!!!

So much is highly volatile, and evaporates.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

realistically the amount actually present in a gram of weed couldnt be exspressed without a decimal and a whole ink pens worth of zeros u nless it was sprayed near harvest. which unfortunately is probably done everyday in warehouses. thats the sad part. its probably safe to use if youre smart and not an asshole. but we all understand the the unfortunate reality around that statement.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

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[Loc Dog]

Would the nay say'ers, put money where mouth is, and have it tested??

Someone already said, this is not GG4 discussion, unless only GG4 get it.

Could a moderator edit, and put in infirmary?

Sorry for being blunt.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

pm in a small garde is totally controllable by organic means.
prevention is key. reaction is far less effective for the orgaic garden and shouldnt be the method taken. staying diligent with teas both in foliar sprays ad soil plus hygene can go a long way towards not ever getting it and controlling it if it does make its way in. i didnt get pm til i had been growing indoor for 2.5 years.i used foliar sprays and was in organic soil. i used filters on my intake and ran the same cuts forever. eventually it came in on a cut. its fairly easy to control if proactive about not getting it.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

i would say im a naysayer honestly. i think its a gross product and if possible it should be avoided,
that said i think its ok to save a cut or a mom room or to clean a cut you want to bring in to make moms from. just dont spray it on peoples meds.