Opposing groups push message out to Florida voters about medical marijuana (Commercia

[SoSour]

This amendment was authored by people hired by John Morgan, a slug of a fucking drunk nitwit, who I have personally defeated in court on 3 occasions. He is a corrupt piece of shit, who has the next likely governor in his pocket. This new legislation is FOR THE RICH, BY THE RICH.

This isn't a step in any direction except to put more money in the pockets of the corporate elite. Nobody who needs or wants to smoke marijuana has a problem obtaining it now.

This is a constitutional amendment, it will NOT be changed. The legislative frame work that has already been authored by the Health Department is incredibly restrictive, and bars any entry hope for anyone except the rich.

You fools are having the wool pulled over your eyes so you can legally continue to do something you are already doing anyway, that you really have no problem doing in the first place. Great job!

NO ON 2. NO TO CORPORATE ASSHOLES RUINING FLORIDA. NO ON 2!!!!

 

[stihgnobevoli]

Let me say it again, you will NOT NOT NOT NEVER NONE ZIP ZILCH be allowed to legally grow your own, period point blank. This is a no-grow amendment. Whatever lawyer told someone that should be used for malpractice after his client is arrested.

I am 100% about freedom! freedom to smoke and fair market economics. THis has nothing to do with lining my pockets. I have a six-figure job and don't need to make a penny off of marijuana to live comfortably.

This is about squeezing out the little man who depends on selling a few ounces a week to take a family vacation once a year, or make up the difference for rent or mortgage payment.

You will need to put up at leas a 1,000,000 dollar bond to obtain a license. The license fees will be in the 6-figures.

This amendment is creating an industry for the rich to get richer, sink more money into their high interest yielding money market accounts, while the thousands and thousands of people who make $30-50k per year who sell weed and immediately put that money back into the stream of commerce are fucked.

I'm all for medical weed, but make it competitive and allow a lower bar of entry. Don't make the licensure fees so exorbitant that only the rich get to play.

NO on Amendment 2. Fuck the florida legislature and SHAME on you guys for not seeing this for exactly what it is.

(3) If the Department does not issue regulations, or if the Department does not begin issuing identification cards and registering Medical Marijuana Treatment Centers within the time limits set in this section, any Florida citizen shall have standing to seek judicial relief to compel compliance with the Department’s constitutional duties.

http://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Amendment_2_(2014),_Full_Text_of_Constitutional_Changes

done yet? when are you gonna learn to read. if the issue is you just don't understand what you're reading and ill lay it out for you in plain engrish. just say the word.

if they don't come up with any rules that are agreeable in 6 months then you can do whatever you want. thats the sneaky lawyer part since we all know councils cannot agree on shit especially if you get your voice out there and put your opinions out there at the council meeting they have to hold to hear public opinion as with any laws that are being passed.

i mean. how much more do you want? full blanket legalization across the board? sure so do i but since we have nothing so far but harsh ass buttfucking prison sentences. i'll start with a baby step in the right direction over more assfucking. work my way up from there. anyway like i said the shits not gonna stop my show one way or another, i doubt it's gonna stop yours...so WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU TELLING EVERYONE TO VOTE NO???

to vote no is just plain stupid if ur scared to grow under the new law u shouldnt b n the game in the first place ..

This^^^ not to be a mean asshole, but i am anyway so here it comes. you sound like a scared little bitch. OH no! this bill won't allow me to grow so fuck it, say no. lets continue to go to prison and not even try one bit to get people thinking that marijuana JUST MIGHT NOT BE DEVIL WEED.

you think the govt wont come after you for whatever you're planning. i'm guessing its some massive money making OP based on how you're going on and on about growing and making money. we (ME) grow because we like to garden and we like to smoke weed and hey, 2 birds one stone. if you only grow to make money... like toasted said...you in it for the wrong reasons. we're doing it for love, death doesn't scare love. so come rain or shine, nov5th imma be growing and smoking weed like always. hopefully there will be a little less assrape in it if i get caught.

one last thing...those vote no on 2 commercials are kinds right...as i've been explaining for months now. this loosely worded legalese is the awesome whoppertunity to get full scale legalization. but y'all don't here me though. this bill is so goddamn loose...if only you guys could think crooked like a lawyer. loosest goddamn slots in town.

 

[SoSour]

I got news for You bud, they already have the framework done, completed, codified, ready to go. Don't patronize me. I read the entire amendment, and I've been practicing law for 12 years. Do you really think the legislature would not implement any type of framework and allow the default clause to self-enact?

There was no sneakiness to this clause, it was just a way of forcing the legislatures hand. The bar to entry precludes anyone with less than 7-figures available to them. You guys are sheep. And the rich get richer...

 

[Jhhnn]

I got news for You bud, they already have the framework done, completed, codified, ready to go. Don't patronize me. I read the entire amendment, and I've been practicing law for 12 years. Do you really think the legislature would not implement any type of framework and allow the default clause to self-enact?

There was no sneakiness to this clause, it was just a way of forcing the legislatures hand. The bar to entry precludes anyone with less than 7-figures available to them. You guys are sheep. And the rich get richer...

Meh. Not to be clannish, but the message coming with your current post count of 16 indicates that you may be here for electioneering purposes as part of a broader campaign.

Lots of different ways to get different people to vote the way you want, huh? It just takes a different kind of pitch in a place like this. You have to convince Florida cannabiphiles that this makes their situation worse instead of better by bringing in the corrupt big biz boogeyman.

The truth is that their situation is in no way worsened at all. It would, I believe, improve it considerably. What it means is that some people will be able to legally have pot, and that a whole raft of medical practitioners will be glad to help them do it for a fee, same as it has been here in CO. Opponents of the measure are correct in one sense- relying on physicians' judgment alone in that regard opens a loophole big enough for an aircraft carrier.

And, of course, once a person has the med rec, where the pot in their possession actually came from is not a question a cop can even ask. They have no leverage to get card holders to roll over, partially insulating illicit providers from such vicissitudes. It enables black market pot in many respects, as we've seen in virtually all med states.

Even more importantly, it changes public perception, legitimizing cannabis use if only circumstantially. It's def a big step in the right direction, regardless of who's making money off it. Once the public sees that it causes no harm, they'll be clamoring for full scale legalization & the tax revenue it can generate. MMJ is a transitional phase to that. That in no way denigrates the benefits of MMJ at all.

I recognize that Florida is the South, kinda-sorta, but it's not Alabama, either. Too many northern transplants. Y'all may be a little behind the times, but you're not stupid. This will likely pass, and it's important to remember that it's not the end, but the beginning.

 

[RetroGrow]

This amendment was authored by people hired by John Morgan, a slug of a fucking drunk nitwit, who I have personally defeated in court on 3 occasions. He is a corrupt piece of shit, who has the next likely governor in his pocket. This new legislation is FOR THE RICH, BY THE RICH.

Really? Then you wouldn't mind posting your real name, and the case numbers where you defeated him in court. After all, you are doing nothing illegal. No reason to hide behind a fake handle.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

I got news for You bud, they already have the framework done, completed, codified, ready to go. Don't patronize me. I read the entire amendment, and I've been practicing law for 12 years. Do you really think the legislature would not implement any type of framework and allow the default clause to self-enact?

There was no sneakiness to this clause, it was just a way of forcing the legislatures hand. The bar to entry precludes anyone with less than 7-figures available to them. You guys are sheep. And the rich get richer...

really? you read the entire bill?

i dunno how that's possible when THIS IS THE LANGUAGE OF THE BILL...

The official ballot text reads as follows:[1]
“ Allows the medical use of marijuana for individuals with debilitating diseases as determined by a licensed Florida physician. Allows caregivers to assist patients’ medical use of marijuana. The Department of Health shall register and regulate centers that produce and distribute marijuana for medical purposes and shall issue identification cards to patients and caregivers. Applies only to Florida law. Does not authorize violations of federal law or any non-medical use, possession or production of marijuana.[2]

ARTICLE X, SECTION 29. Medical marijuana production, possession and use.

(a) PUBLIC POLICY.
(1) The medical use of marijuana by a qualifying patient or personal caregiver is not subject to criminal or civil liability or sanctions under Florida law except as provided in this section.
(2) A physician licensed in Florida shall not be subject to criminal or civil liability or sanctions under Florida law for issuing a physician certification to a person diagnosed with a debilitating medical condition in a manner consistent with this section.
(3) Actions and conduct by a medical marijuana treatment center registered with the Department, or its employees, as permitted by this section and in compliance with Department regulations, shall not be subject to criminal or civil liability or sanctions under Florida law except as provided in this section.
(b) DEFINITIONS.
For purposes of this section, the following words and terms shall have the following meanings:
(1) “Debilitating Medical Condition” means cancer, glaucoma, positive status for human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS), hepatitis C, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), Crohn's disease, Parkinson's disease, multiple sclerosis or other conditions for which a physician believes that the medical use of marijuana would likely outweigh the potential health risks for a patient.
(2) “Department” means the Department of Health or its successor agency.
(3) “Identification card” means a document issued by the Department that identifies a person who has a physician certification or a personal caregiver who is at least twenty-one (21) years old and has agreed to assist with a qualifying patient’s medical use of marijuana.
(4) “Marijuana” has the meaning given cannabis in Section 893.02(3), Florida Statutes (2013).
(5) “Medical Marijuana Treatment Center” means an entity that acquires, cultivates, possesses, processes (including development of related products such as food, tinctures, aerosols, oils, or ointments), transfers, transports, sells, distributes, dispenses, or administers marijuana, products containing marijuana, related supplies, or educational materials to qualifying patients or their personal caregivers and is registered by the Department.
(6) “Medical use” means the acquisition, possession, use, delivery, transfer, or administration of marijuana or related supplies by a qualifying patient or personal caregiver for use by a qualifying patient for the treatment of a debilitating medical condition.
(7) “Personal caregiver” means a person who is at least twenty-one (21) years old who has agreed to assist with a qualifying patient's medical use of marijuana and has a caregiver identification card issued by the Department. A personal caregiver may assist no more than five (5) qualifying patients at one time. An employee of a hospice provider, nursing, or medical facility may serve as a personal caregiver to more than five (5) qualifying patients as permitted by the Department. Personal caregivers are prohibited from consuming marijuana obtained for the personal, medical use by the qualifying patient.
(8) “Physician” means a physician who is licensed in Florida.
(9) “Physician certification” means a written document signed by a physician, stating that in the physician's professional opinion, the patient suffers from a debilitating medical condition, that the potential benefits of the medical use of marijuana would likely outweigh the health risks for the patient, and for how long the physician recommends the medical use of marijuana for the patient. A physician certification may only be provided after the physician has conducted a physical examination of the patient and a full assessment of the patient’s medical history.
(10) “Qualifying patient” means a person who has been diagnosed to have a debilitating medical condition, who has a physician certification and a valid qualifying patient identification card. If the Department does not begin issuing identification cards within nine (9) months after the effective date of this section, then a valid physician certification will serve as a patient identification card in order to allow a person to become a "qualifying patient" until the Department begins issuing identification cards.
(c) LIMITATIONS.
(1) Nothing in this section shall affect laws relating to non-medical use, possession, production or sale of marijuana.
(2) Nothing in this section authorizes the use of medical marijuana by anyone other than a qualifying patient.
(3) Nothing in this section allows the operation of a motor vehicle, boat, or aircraft while under the influence of marijuana.
(4) Nothing in this law section requires the violation of federal law or purports to give immunity under federal law.
(5) Nothing in this section shall require any accommodation of any on-site medical use of marijuana in any place of education or employment, or of smoking medical marijuana in any public place.
(6) Nothing in this section shall require any health insurance provider or any government agency or authority to reimburse any
person for expenses related to the medical use of marijuana.
(d) DUTIES OF THE DEPARTMENT.
The Department shall issue reasonable regulations necessary for the implementation and enforcement of this section. The purpose of the regulations is to ensure the availability and safe use of medical marijuana by qualifying patients. It is the duty of the Department to promulgate regulations in a timely fashion.
(1) Implementing Regulations. In order to allow the Department sufficient time after passage of this section, the following regulations shall be promulgated no later than six (6) months after the effective date of this section:
a. Procedures for the issuance of qualifying patient identification cards to people with physician certifications, and standards for the renewal of such identification cards.
b. Procedures for the issuance of personal caregiver identification cards to persons qualified to assist with a qualifying patient’s medical use of marijuana, and standards for the renewal of such identification cards.
c. Procedures for the registration of Medical Marijuana Treatment Centers that include procedures for the issuance, renewal, suspension, and revocation of registration, and standards to ensure security, record keeping, testing, labeling, inspection, and safety.
d. A regulation that defines the amount of marijuana that could reasonably be presumed to be an adequate supply for qualifying patients’ medical use, based on the best available evidence. This presumption as to quantity may be overcome with evidence of a particular qualifying patient’s appropriate medical use.
(2) Issuance of identification cards and registrations. The Department shall begin issuing qualifying patient and personal caregiver
identification cards, as well as begin registering Medical Marijuana Treatment Centers no later than nine months (9) after the effective date of this section.
(3) If the Department does not issue regulations, or if the Department does not begin issuing identification cards and registering Medical Marijuana Treatment Centers within the time limits set in this section, any Florida citizen shall have standing to seek judicial relief to compel compliance with the Department’s constitutional duties.
(4) The Department shall protect the confidentiality of all qualifying patients. All records containing the identity of qualifying patients shall be confidential and kept from public disclosure other than for valid medical or law enforcement purposes.
(e) LEGISLATION.
Nothing in this section shall limit the legislature from enacting laws consistent with this provision.
(f) SEVERABILITY.
The provisions of this section are severable and if any clause, sentence, paragraph or section of this measure, or an application thereof, is adjudged invalid by any court of competent jurisdiction other provisions shall continue to be in effect to the fullest extent possible.

FUCKING ALL OF IT. nothing else have been laid out. DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND YET?

which part is the framework. outline it so the rest of us can see it plz. we're all retarded.

 

[SoSour]

This is my second name, after my first name was banned in 09 for getting into a forum-fight with Rez.

I read the entire bill, every word. In fact, I almost read it twice. I've dispensed more legal and security advice on this website than everyone in this thread combined.

The amendment does not lay out the licensing framework; however, I can assure you that is has already been decided, it is already codified, and it will be rolled out in January if the amendment passes.

So, to answer your question, you are not retarded, the amendment does not have the framework in it, but Tallahassee has already pandered to their donor base. Keep following the sheep in front of you guys. This legislation was authored for the rich, not for you. If you think being able to ride around with a half ounce in your car is worth taking money out of THOUSANDS of hard working citizens pockets, and putting that money into the pockets of a few, then vote yes.

 

[SoSour]

Really? Then you wouldn't mind posting your real name, and the case numbers where you defeated him in court. After all, you are doing nothing illegal. No reason to hide behind a fake handle.

Obviously, I'm not going to post my real name. John Morgan is a hack, drunk, corrupt piece of shit who owns Charlie Christ like a pet. he's a half-ass attorney who is NOT respected for anything other than his pocketbook, most of which was inherited.

 

[dddaver]

The shallowness and audacity, not to mention just idiocy, of reading that first thing early this morning, even before I had my coffee, really pissed me off. But then besides looking at his low post count, and join date, think about who that LAWYER is. Consider the source.

If he "singlehandidly", which simply has to be just egomaniacal, over-the-top bragging, total bullshit right there because there simply HAD to be at least a few others involved when he defeated Morgan 3 times, that must mean he is an assistant DA. What does anyone expect from someone who's everyday livelihood is dependent sucking the titty of the FL big biz bosses?

Your credibility just went to shit ace.

 

[RetroGrow]

Obviously, I'm not going to post my real name. John Morgan is a hack, drunk, corrupt piece of shit who owns Charlie Christ like a pet. he's a half-ass attorney who is NOT respected for anything other than his pocketbook, most of which was inherited.

Why not? You are doing nothing illegal. If you are the attorney you say you are, which I don't believe, there is no reason to hide. I think you are a shill for the dark side. Nothing more.

 

[710420]

LOL Sosour........Im not even mad at you for your reasons you stated. They could all be true. Lets take a step back guys and realize that this is politics we are talking about here.

So yea, lets vote no because someone is going to be making a lot of fucking money and it wont be me and you........really??

Doesn't matter what kind of a lawyer you are, you all have a lot of scum inside of you.

The reason you provide is narrow minded and selfish. We are talking about giving Cannabis to people who need it bro?! Say no because the rich is only going to get richer?! Wooow the rich get richer everyday....you want that to change?? Start a revolution! Loser!

 

[stihgnobevoli]

This is my second name, after my first name was banned in 09 for getting into a forum-fight with Rez.

I read the entire bill, every word. In fact, I almost read it twice. I've dispensed more legal and security advice on this website than everyone in this thread combined.

The amendment does not lay out the licensing framework; however, I can assure you that is has already been decided, it is already codified, and it will be rolled out in January if the amendment passes.

So, to answer your question, you are not retarded, the amendment does not have the framework in it, but Tallahassee has already pandered to their donor base. Keep following the sheep in front of you guys. This legislation was authored for the rich, not for you. If you think being able to ride around with a half ounce in your car is worth taking money out of THOUSANDS of hard working citizens pockets, and putting that money into the pockets of a few, then vote yes.

i dunno how the fuck you guys are doing it but i ride around with whatever the fuck i want since it's my shit in my car and no one has a right to bother me or it without just provocation. I am not a provoker. But i will defend myself.


i'm not waiting around for dickheads in suits to tell me what i can and cannot do. they can all eat dicks. i'm just trying to help the rest of the people unwilling or unable to seize their own freedoms.

maybe i'm trying to help you too?

 

[RetroGrow]

I would like to know how voting "no" helps "us"?