Destroy & Rebuild: The Final Chapter - Part 1 (The Planning Phase)

[Snype]

This thread will be the planning stages of my next grow. I’ll be in this project alone unless Snypette decides to take part. If Snypette chooses to take part then it would be a 50/50 project. Originally I had a partner but I found a better house by myself and it happens to be another owner finance with lots of opportunities and only half the cost because of location. There’s a space on the property that will comfortably fit 32 x 1,0000 watts in 2 rooms. I’m thinking of starting out with 8,000 watts while I try and get my cuts in order and make sure I still have my old cuts available. I also need to do some test crops to make sure these cuts aren’t going to come with any problems like mites or mutations.

In all the drama of the old farm, some MOMs may not exist anymore so I’ll have to figure it all out. The cuts that I was able to get back so far are:

BYTCH (ChemDD)
Nag Champa Kush / Illuminati StarDawg
Oregon ICE
Pre 98 Bubba Kush
Chem Valley Kush

I lost but am trying to get back:
Pootie Tang (StarDawg #6)
KK StarDawg
StarDawg #9
The White
MotorBreath #6
Mass Electric #’s 1, 2 & 3

Update 12/19/2014: Current MOMs that I'm working with:
BYTCH (ChemDD)
Nag Champa Kush / Illuminati StarDawg
Oregon ICE
Pre 98 Bubba Kush
Chem Valley Kush
The White
Motorbreath#6
Alaskan Clone Only
StarDawg#6 / Pootie Tang
StarDawg#9
Gorilla Glue#4
Headband
Platinum Girl Scout Cookies
Mobb Boss
SVF OG Kush
Mass Electric #1
Mass Electric #2


I currently have 24 cuttings that only got taken on Friday. I’ll most likely start the grow with a 4,000 watt soil crop and take cuts before they go into flowering to have a 4,000 watt RDWC set up about 30 days behind the soil crop. These first 2 crops are going to be pretty important because I’m going to need some money to pay for the construction, materials and equipment that I’m going to need. Luckily I still have around 20 ounces of Hash Oil to help me get through this financially. Without that I’d be pretty fucked right now.

I’m excited to be able to have this new journey. The world was looking pretty dark a couple of weeks ago. This operation has more opportunity than any other operation that I’ve had so it should be a good time. I don't move in for 2 weeks but stay tuned for more details on this planning phase...

16,200 Watt Vertical Bare Bulb Grow (I'm considering running 16 E-Paps instead. I should also do a test using 8 Gavita's and 8 E-Paps to know which ones are better for my application.)
------*-----*-----*
---P-----P-----P-----P
*-----•-----•-----•----*
---P-----P-----P-----P
*-----•-----•-----•----*
---P-----P-----P-----P
*-----•-----•-----•----*
---P-----P-----P-----P
------*-----*-----*

P = Plant
• = 1,000 Watt Vertical
* = 600 Watt Vertical

Expense List
This post I'll be updating the budget to see exactly what I'm going to need and what this is going to cost us. It will be edited throughout the process in this post.

Floor
(53) 2 x 4 x 8 @ $2.76 = $146.28 (to level the current floor)

(28) 4 x 8 Sound Board (1.2 R) @ $26.65 = $746.20

Sub Floor – (28) T&G Dryply Plywood (Common: 23/32 4 ft. x 8 ft.; Actual: 0.703 in. x 48 in. x 96 in.) - Model # 439058 - $42.88 x 28 = $1,200.64

(54 Batts Needed) Owens Corning R21 Insulation Kraft Faced Batts 23 in. x 93 in. (10-Bags) Model # BF61 $725 = 60 Batts = 1 Pallet

Walls
(133 16” Batts, includes new wall in front) Owens Corning R15 Insulation Kraft Faced Batts 3-1/2 in. x 15 in. x 93 in. (10-Bags) Model # F65A – (2 Pallets) @ $526 = $1,052.00

Sound Board (1.2 R) – (50) @ $26.65 = $1,332.50

(60) x SHEETROCK Firecode Core 5/8 in. x 4 ft. x 8 ft. Gypsum Board - $11.64 x 60 = $698.40

Ceilings
(54 Batts Needed) Owens Corning R21 Insulation Kraft Faced Batts 23 in. x 93 in. (10-Bags) Model # BF61 $725 = 60 Batts = 1 Pallet

(24) x SHEETROCK Firecode Core 5/8 in. x 4 ft. x 8 ft. Gypsum Board - $11.64 x 24 = $279.36

CEILING JOIST TABLE - 2"x8" with 24" Centers = 18'6" maximum
http://constructitall.com/9-uncategorised/972-maximum-span-calculations-for-joists-a-rafters.html

Various Equipment
Horiba Portable Dissolved Oxygen Meter 10m Cable – OM-51-10 - $1094.99
http://www.agriculturesolutions.com...solved-oxygen-meter-10m-cable-om-51-10-detail

Horiba D-53 Multiparameter Ion, pH and ORP Meter - With all sensors = $6,000.00
http://www.agriculturesolutions.com...53-multiparameter-ion-ph-and-orp-meter-detail

(2) x 6" Hooded Wall Vent with Screen - Galvanized (For air intakes this winter in the smaller rooms) - $18.09 each
https://www.famcomfg.com/wall-vents/intake/hooded-wall-vent-with-screen-aluminum-1422.html

(2) x Hurricane Centrifugal Inline Fan - 6" - 435 CFM - (air intake and exhaust for the smaller room this winter) - $129.00 each
http://www.hurricane-fans.com/products/centrifugal-inline-fans.aspx

Socket Assembly 15 Foot (For Vertical Bare Bulb) - $23.94 each
http://www.hydroponics.net/i/380610

Socket Assembly 25 Foot (For Vertical Bare Bulb) - $32.98 each
http://www.hydroponics.net/i/380609

(2) x 18000 Btu Dual Zone 16 Seer Inverter Mini Split Heat Pump AC - $4,800.00 (72,000 BTU's for 2 units)
http://www.minisplitwarehouse.com/2..._Mini_Split_Heat_Pump_AC/p315964_7696110.aspx

Santa Fe Impact XT Dehumidifier - $2,000.00
http://santa-fe-products.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64&Itemid=36

Motivational Quotes
If things seem under control, you are just not going fast enough.
-Mario Andretti

Life is inherently risky. There is only one big risk you should avoid at all costs, and that is the risk of doing nothing.
-Denis Waitley

The universe has no restrictions. You place restrictions on the universe with your expectations.
-Deepak Chopra

In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure.
-Bill Cosby

Your time is limited, so don’t waste it living someone else’s life.
-Steve Jobs

If you are not willing to risk the unusual, you will have to settle for the ordinary.
-Jim Rohn

If you don’t build your dream, someone else will hire you to help them build theirs.
-Dhirubhai Ambani

The first step toward success is taken when you refuse to be a captive of the environment in which you first find yourself.
-Mark Caine

Always go with your passions. Never ask yourself if it’s realistic or not.
-Deepak Chopra

You can’t connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something – your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and it has made all the difference in my life.
-Steve Jobs

I’ve missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. 26 times I’ve been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
-Michael Jordan

Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.
-T. S. Eliot

Often the difference between a successful person and a failure is not one has better abilities or ideas, but the courage that one has to bet on one’s ideas, to take a calculated risk – and to act.
-Andre Malraux

Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do, so throw off the bowlines, sail away from safe harbor, catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore, Dream, Discover.
-Mark Twain

I am thankful for all of those who said NO to me. It’s because of them I’m doing it myself.
-Albert Einstein

99 percent of success is built on failure.
- Charles Kettering

Music for this project
N.W.A - Straight Outta Compton (Full Album)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBq3-C3fleg

Eazy-E - Eazy-Duz-It (Full Album)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE_4Rij253o

Eazy-E Dissing Dr Dre and Snoop Dogg on Arsenal Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpNtFBAI0V8

Eazy E - Real muthafuckin G's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuapp9SORA

NW.A- The Original Gangstars (Live In Houston-1989)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5YjxHVOq-U

Rare Eazy-E Interview 1993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuUDuPU1TFk

Snoop Dogg Talks about Eazy-E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQNJDcBlvRw

EAZY E Rare VIDEO Interview!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90kiIRB-AzU

Exclusive! Rare! Eazy-E's 1963 Impala Resurfaced!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ji8_VOOcaE

 

[Snauseberry]

Excited to see you back at it. Best of luck to you

 

[dreaded]

glad to see you back...

 

[tleaf jr.]

 

[d3cryption]

glad to see you back at it bro....

 

[Storm Shadow]

Snype...you most def love attention... I swear Ive read like 20+ threads where you crave so much attention...

Sad ...happy...glad....bragging..... I dunno man.... I think a thread where you just laylow and show some results would be ideal compared to all the attention you seek

 

[Snype]

Thanks for the welcome guys! In my life, I don't have friends that I can talk and express myself with. It has become obvious to me that the grows that I involve myself with are not healthy environments for humans to be in. They take a toll on one's mind. That's one of my reasons for being here on IC. My grow threads are windows into my world and things that I'm dealing with. If you don't like that, no one has to read them. Although I am not the perfect human that I want to become, I believe that I've made many changes to myself since I first joined IC to try and become a better human. I've spent a lot of time the last few months looking back at my past. I personally feel that I've changed a lot for the better but I know I still have a lot to work on.

This project came out of the blue at the last minute. I was supposed to sign papers at another house with a partner but the rent was almost 3k a month and it would have been a lot of work there to try and fit 12,000 watts there. Because my friend knew the landlord, I had him hint of the idea of growing because I didn't want any problems if the landlord came over and saw the garage renovated and off limit. The landlord was workable and could easily be bought by throwing money at him but to put all that money and work into somebody else's house doesn't make much sense to me unless that was my only option.

The new house isn't really in an area which I like but the house is huge. It's over 4 times bigger than the first option which makes this a great situation. Because money is so tight right now, I was able to get a delay on paying the owner a downpayment. I'm explaining this because it might help someone else who reads it. Right now I only have access to 2k and it would be a loan from Snypette. I have plenty of larf and sugar trim from the farm to make around 20oz of hash oil that will yield me at least 25k. The problem is that I have nowhere to make the oil. I have to wait to move into this location to start making the oil. The good thing is that I already have patients ready to take 2-3 oz's once it's made which will be enough to get things started. I've gone into operations in the past with much less than what I have access to now so I feel that I have plenty of breathing room. The good thing is that I still have most of my lights and equipment.

The goal is to pay the owner the downpayment as soon as I possibly can so this guy will have no reason to come to the location for any reason. I came up with a really good excuse for buying a good amount of time to have to come up with the down payment.

All of my other grows ended because of other people who were associated with the grow on some level. I want to do everything that I possibly can to keep this grow with no one else besides possibly Snypette and then I should have much less risk involved. This will be a much easier project to handle if Snypette chooses to get involved so I hope that she does.

Right now I'm just hoping that all 24 cuttings root so I'm taking good care of them. They are all in starter rockwool cubes. As they root I'll be transferring them to small pots of Fox Farm Ocean Forest.

I'm really surprised that this is all going on right now. It shows how fast things can change in life.

 

[GreeeeN GRassss]

great to hear your getting back on track, dont mind the haters. they trolled your other threads when you were not here.

i think this sounds like the most stable idea you have had in a long time. dont over reach keep it steady and keep your head clear

cant wait to see some more RDWC monster buds..

 

[Marlo]

 

[Crooked8]

Best of luck bud

 

[dissolute]

Snype...you most def love attention... I swear Ive read like 20+ threads where you crave so much attention...

Sad ...happy...glad....bragging..... I dunno man.... I think a thread where you just laylow and show some results would be ideal compared to all the attention you seek

some of us don't really have any friends because of the nature of our existence. it's a good thing for forum traffic anyway, haha. i just lurk though. because of the nature of my existence, haha.

 

[dissolute]

can't edit my post, forgot to say "hi snype, good to see you again, been a fan for a long while." haha

 

[tleaf jr.]

snype any

 

[Snype]

We spent the day at the new house trying to figure out a plan. We have 400 amps to work with. There's 2 rooms that are 35' x 25' each with 10' ceilings. There should't be a problem putting 32,000 watts of flowering in these 2 rooms which should still allow enough space to walk around the plants as well. I'm thinking we'll do 36 plants per room with 16,000 watts of lights in each room. Maybe 3 x 12 Bucket RDWC systems in each room. The first room most likely won't be up and running until the spring time because there's a lot of construction to do and lots of money that'll have to be spent. Luckily there's plenty of other smaller rooms to grow in for now to try and put in a quick 8,000 watts until the new rooms are built. Lot's of work ahead.

I had to get rid of a few of the clones because they were not looking too good. Most of the Chem Valley cuts were fucked up so there's only 1 left to try and root. The Pre98 Bubba's were also very bad but I have 2 that look like they'll make it. The guy who gave them to me wrapped them up in paper towels and they were not that healthy when I got them. The ChemDD's and Illuminati's look much better than the rest though. I'm thinking about making a 40 hour drive to pick up the GG4 and GSC this month to compensate for losing KK StarDawg and Pootie Tang. I just can't believe that KK and Pootie are gone. Very depressing. Snypette still has some KK StarDawg buds from many months ago that we are smoking.

snype any

No pics yet. Hopefully soon.

 

[Hydropimp]

Back at it i see

Give these boy something to talk about

Show them how its done

 

[Snauseberry]

Take a detour and swing that GG#4 by california

 

[JointOperation]

40 hour drive to get gg4 and gsc? both are EVERYWERE

 

[JointOperation]

i really do wish you the best man.. i do .. but once i saw how big u were going.. and how u were inviting so many people to be apart of it.. i knew it wouldnt end up good.. even with 1 partner things get fucking retarded..

hope things work out better for you at the new place.. and hope u get those genetics back..

 

[Snype]

I've been working on a budget for what this project is going to cost us and I'll post it within the next few days. Today I'm trying to figure out the best way for me to cool these rooms. I think instead of breaking up the operation into 4 x 8,000 watt flowering rooms, I'll do 2 x 16,000 watt rooms and grow 16 trees in RDWC in each room.

I originally wanted to go with central air but I think it's going to be hard to figure out. I think instead I'll put 2 x 3 tons of mini spits in each room. Both of the mini spits that I'm looking at come with 2 zones and have 2 air handlers and 1 condenser. So if we got 2 condensers for each room, we'd also have 4 air handlers that can be spread around for each floor.

Here are the 2 options that I'm looking at:

2x18000 Btu Dual Zone 16 Seer Inverter Mini Split Heat Pump AC
http://www.minisplitwarehouse.com/2..._Mini_Split_Heat_Pump_AC/p315964_7696110.aspx

Mitsubishi 30,000 BTU 17.5 SEER Dual Zone Heat Pump System 15+15
https://www.acwholesalers.com/Mitsu...at=cat1094&subCat=cat1037&trail=5206:15 + 15#

I called Mitsubishi today to ask them about that second option and they said that the condenser won't run if the temperature is less than 24F. They said that they don't have low ambient kits for them so I'm looking more at the first option.

I've never heard of the company in the first link but it says that it has a low ambient kit built into it and lots of other cool options. It also has more BTU's and cost $1,300 less. It says that it operates down to 5F so this one could work. I'm leaning more towards the mini splits in the first link unless anyone else knows why I shouldn't.

I'm hoping that I can find a good option for air conditioning where I can place the condenser outside in the middle of winter without the unit shutting down. If I have to, I'll consider building a room in the barn that'll house all the condensers and exhaust all that heat out as well as exhaust new air in. Wondering if anyone has any advice that will help me here.

 

[St. Phatty]

Thanks for the welcome guys! In my life, I don't have friends that I can talk and express myself with. It has become obvious to me that the grows that I involve myself with are not healthy environments for humans to be in. They take a toll on one's mind. That's one of my reasons for being here on IC.


All of my other grows ended because of other people who were associated with the grow on some level. I want to do everything that I possibly can to keep this grow with no one else besides possibly Snypette and then I should have much less risk involved. This will be a much easier project to handle if Snypette chooses to get involved so I hope that she does.

Right now I'm just hoping that all 24 cuttings root so I'm taking good care of them. They are all in starter rockwool cubes. As they root I'll be transferring them to small pots of Fox Farm Ocean Forest.

I'm really surprised that this is all going on right now. It shows how fast things can change in life.

This reminds me of how when we're standing in our respective gardens we can feel the direction the plants want to go.

Like the Force in Star Wars or something.

24 x 1000 sounds like a wonderful playground.