OMG!!! Got some really BAD advice from a THC "Expert"

[WeBeJammin]

I am about to go postal on my "weed grow consultant" Talk me off the edge! We have 4 - 30 gal flood tables with 6-9 plants each (first grow on 1 table went ok - 1.2 yield of Green Crack/Strw Cush). His clones brought in PM and he sprayed EVERYTHING including flowering buds! Now after harvest of table 1 the buds are unsmokeable due to chemical smell. He was in charge of all nutes and would not communicate re: PM treatments. I say this because I want you to know I have little info, not laying blame it is my fault I let this guy in my room.
I have 2 tables left and not sure after the last disaster, what to do. Harvest stages are 2 weeks apart. One table is in flush for a week nothing to there... but I have one table that may be able to be saved. 2 weeks from harvest - no aroma - yellow -no resin - leaves burning - buds look awesome in size but that is it. What do you think about flushing and then adding the Terpenator to add some "oils". HELP !!!!

 

[BubbaBear]

I am about to go postal on my "weed grow consultant" Talk me off the edge! We have 4 - 30 gal flood tables with 6-9 plants each (first grow on 1 table went ok - 1.2 yield of Green Crack/Strw Cush). His clones brought in PM and he sprayed EVERYTHING including flowering buds! Now after harvest of table 1 the buds are unsmokeable due to chemical smell. He was in charge of all nutes and would not communicate re: PM treatments. I say this because I want you to know I have little info, not laying blame it is my fault I let this guy in my room.
I have 2 tables left and not sure after the last disaster, what to do. Harvest stages are 2 weeks apart. One table is in flush for a week nothing to there... but I have one table that may be able to be saved. 2 weeks from harvest - no aroma - yellow -no resin - leaves burning - buds look awesome in size but that is it. What do you think about flushing and then adding the Terpenator to add some "oils". HELP !!!!

Wow im sorry for your loss, theres so many non chemical treatments for PM spraying chems on your flowers was a careless dick move. I didnt have the best results with Terpinator but l only used it at 15ml a gallon which was the recommended dosage on the bottle l got, I've seen other bottles that say to use it up to 30ml a gallon and people are reporting better results at 30ml a gallon but still l think its the type of product that has to build up in the plant so you probably wont have the best results just using it a couple weeks, the directions tell you to start using it in veg. Its definitely been a hit or miss product with user here. If you give it a shot definitely do it at full strength. I can vouch for Budfactor x its expensive but just buy the small 250ml bottle, give your plants a couple light foliar feeds and crown feedings, it always gives the terps a boost for me, you can also try snowstorm ultra it definitely brings on the frost not so much for terps tho, CX Headmasta is another booster thats really brought on the frost and aroma for me, use it the last week by it self at double strength as l was told by one if there reps, l tried it on some flowers that were lacking smell and frost and it definitely help them out. All these products are made to enhance the quality of healthy plants, it sounds like your working with some pretty beat up plants tho so l cant guarantee they will help but its worth a shot if you can afford it, good luck !

 

[PetFlora]

If you have access to a local chemical supply buy food grade H2O2 (35%) then dilute 1:11= 3%

Non toxic with H2O byproduct, but it CAN burn if mixed too strong

Raise the lights up to reduce intensity and spray the piss out of the plants- under/over...

Once it dries, lower lights to normal position

If 3% doesn't cut it remix @ ~ 1: 7

and repeat process.

That concentration should do it, but don't start there

You may need to do this 3 days straight.

Best applied mid-morning, after stomatas have closed

 

[sourpuss]

Weed grow consultant lol... most of these know it all growers have closed minds... if you talk to someone and he doeant listen to a single word you say its obvious hes cut himself off from ever learning anything. Cause he knows everything right funny when guys talk big and show me overfeed crap. Smaller buds than I grow in my 4 ft high room. Lol...

Im no pro just expect people who act that way to have better product than me...

 

[WeBeJammin]

thanks for all the support and suggestions guys... I decided it was time to start over. I asked a local hydro store to come look at the room. Not only did my expert not know plants he set the entire room up wrong. Used the wrong vent system, fans and nute for the tables. I just cleaned the entire place out (MOLD & MITES EVERYWHERE) and now hiring contractors to set it up correctly. The funny part of this story is the idiot took the plants (21 flowering plants 2 weeks to harvest and another 20 veg/clones) that were burnt and dying with mites and mold to HIS OWN GROW ROOM! Which is about 10 x 10. So he infected his own room! AND the idiot bud connoisseur said my buds "looked awesome"!!! Seriously, the harvested buds were un-smokeable and I have smoked some trash in my 56 years. Oh well, live and learn... wish me luck! Thanks again. I hope to post some great bud pics in 10 weeks.

 

[Budseeker147]

In my couple of short years growing I've never had mites mold or nothing like that environment must b kept clean shit attracts shit IMO.. Guy must b a rookie

 

[Granger2]

What PetFlora said. The H2O2 will kill fungi, and if you spray heavily it will wash away much of the residue from numbnuts' treatment. The peroxide may also help break down the chems. I'd spray every other day till harvest. [I know it's a moot point now, but for future reference.] Go sealed with dehumidfier and you'll likely never have fungal problems. Good luck. -granger

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

I agree with the H202, I had a mold problem (botryis) and just sprayed 3% out of the bottle, no problems, no burn etc.. even prior to harvest I gave them a quick mist to prevent mold during drying. worked great, no residue, no mold.

Anyways, h202 is listed as an antifungal and antibacterial agent..

 

[RonSmooth]

Why are you working with pseudo-experts and hydro store employees in the first place?

 

[sourpuss]

Was his name glow? Lol

 

[Fresh Start]

Sounds like he's already gotten rid of the mold and mite problem by going through a rebuild- good call to start fresh.

As for the PM issues..
Best way keep pm out of your room is never to invite it in the first place. Pm is systemic and can remain hidden in plants while it travels without noticeable symptoms- these cuts can come from anyone and anywhere.. then one day the right environment comes along and the mold comes out of hiding and says BOO!

If you want to avoid it from the beginning you have two choices; 1. Pop your own seeds and don't run other peoples plants or 2. Treat the plants you adopt with a systemic fungal eradicator like eagle 20.

There was a man on a farm who once said..
If you ever come across another Cannabis consultant who talks more about genetics and yield rather than cleaning protocols your in trouble.

 

[Lapides]

I like the part where everyone who comes into his grow room is an idiot.

 

[WeBeJammin]

thanks fresh start! I am still being kept up at night on what made these plants look so good but have no stickiness or smell when he said he only used Neem oil. There was nothing out of the ordinary in the grow room. Now every time I hear treat with Neem I get sick to my stomach. This weed looked AWESOME except it was unsmokable, no resin and smelled like neem oil. Seriously, the internet is littered with Neem oil fans. Am I missing something? The first crop he did with no Neem was "ok".

 

[WeBeJammin]

Neem Oil - WTF

Neem Oil - WTF

If you have followed this thread you see the prior issues with my so called expert.. The last 3 tables of 6 plants each were tossed. My curiosity is killing me. He told me that the ingredients he sprayed on the unsmokeable weed were 1. Neem Oil, 2. Baking Soda 3. an organic soap to ensure the spray would adhere. Those ingredients were found in my grow room. Along with Bicarb. But everything else were Canna nutes. Anyone know what made this NASTY smell on the buds that bloomed and leave them with no sticky resin? They stink and not in a good way. They look awesome, but no high, smell like chemicals and what looks like a good bud has no stickiness and was really dry upon harvest.

Any ideas on what caused this? I am a die hard trusting person and my expert is telling me it was not his spraying with Neem although my only duties for this grow were to follow his instructions

 

[vapor]

yummy sodium bicarb and neem oil in late flower! that must taste great! joking! yuck!

 

[papaduc]

live and learn... wish me luck! Thanks again. I hope to post some great bud pics in 10 weeks.

That's all you can do now. But if those buds are so badly affected by what was sprayed on them that you're going to throw them away, you might as well wash them.

Google `water curing` but before you water wash them use a surfactant like dish soap to make a soapy wash, then rinse them.

I've got no experience with it but there's plenty of information out there and if they've been sprayed with any oily residue that's making them unsmokeable I think it's your only choice to salvage some bud.

Make sure you know what it was that was sprayed.

 

[milkyjoe]

Just a weird though...why would you now trust the grow store. Maybe not...but maybe they saw an opportunity to sell you all new shit. A recurring problem I see is you not taking full responsibility. You are in for one dissapointment after another. If it ain't gonna be on you maybe you ought to buy weed from someone who does take responsibility

 

[stevewinthrop]

I doubt neem oil and baking soda made your buds weak and unsmokeable. I've been using neem on my plants for years and unless he is actually a retarded person (not ruling it out these days) there's no way he fuckered it up.

Since your plants were yellow and lacking potency I'm going to guess it has more to do with some other problems. Maybe a pest or fungal problem like PM (which is more a product of environment) could be the root of it, or maybe lockout. The potency issue leads me to that conclusion. The buds should still be pretty decent and definitely frosty (if it's a frosty strain) with only 2 weeks to go. There would have had to have been a fuck up earlier in the grow to hinder that.

But next time you'll know. There's only so much a guru can teach you, a lot of things you'll have to learn yourself by experiencing them. This just happens to be a big learning experience and hopefully next time something similar happens you'll be prepared (or hopefully you'll be able to prevent this from ever happening again).

 

[BubbaBear]

If you have followed this thread you see the prior issues with my so called expert.. The last 3 tables of 6 plants each were tossed. My curiosity is killing me. He told me that the ingredients he sprayed on the unsmokeable weed were 1. Neem Oil, 2. Baking Soda 3. an organic soap to ensure the spray would adhere. Those ingredients were found in my grow room. Along with Bicarb. But everything else were Canna nutes. Anyone know what made this NASTY smell on the buds that bloomed and leave them with no sticky resin? They stink and not in a good way. They look awesome, but no high, smell like chemicals and what looks like a good bud has no stickiness and was really dry upon harvest.

Any ideas on what caused this? I am a die hard trusting person and my expert is telling me it was not his spraying with Neem although my only duties for this grow were to follow his instructions

Do you know if your guy might of used a hight restricting product like Phosphoload, Bush Master or Bush Load or something similar ? Did your plants double in hight after you switched the light cycle to flower? If not he probably did, paclobutrazol the key ingredient to those products can definitely kill all oil production in your plants if over done. Neem would make your buds taste like crap but l doubt its what killed the resin production, if you grew fat buds with no resin it was most likely some paclo product that did it.

 

[amannamedtruth]

Sounds like he's already gotten rid of the mold and mite problem by going through a rebuild- good call to start fresh.

As for the PM issues..
Best way keep pm out of your room is never to invite it in the first place. Pm is systemic and can remain hidden in plants while it travels without noticeable symptoms- these cuts can come from anyone and anywhere.. then one day the right environment comes along and the mold comes out of hiding and says BOO!

If you want to avoid it from the beginning you have two choices; 1. Pop your own seeds and don't run other peoples plants or 2. Treat the plants you adopt with a systemic fungal eradicator like eagle 20.

There was a man on a farm who once said..
If you ever come across another Cannabis consultant who talks more about genetics and yield rather than cleaning protocols your in trouble.

PM is not systemic to the plants, but rather the room that they are grown in.