Wilting Babies With Healthy Roots

[bigdog123]

I have some Fire OG babies on day 9 of veg. They're in 3 gallon pots using a recycled coco mix, Botanicare's Moisture. For the first 5-6 days most of the plants were very "droopy." Now roughly 1/3 are perking up and growing rapidly, while others are shorter and continue to droop.

You can see that the roots are protruding through the pot with very strong white hairs. What is causing 2/3 of the plants to droop/wilt while the roots appear to be growing strong? I've only watered three times in these 9 days. Should I give the media longer to dry out with such young plants?

The last image is just some eye candy to make up for a boring question. Hah. Thanks guys.

 

[neongreen]

Looks like it could be over-watering to me... you can let the medium get close to drying out when they are that size. Obviously don't let it dry out completely. Keep picking up the pots so that you can tell when they are still wet or when they are close to drying out

 

[bigdog123]

Looks like it could be over-watering to me... you can let the medium get close to drying out when they are that size. Obviously don't let it dry out completely. Keep picking up the pots so that you can tell when they are still wet or when they are close to drying out

Thanks for your insight. It very well might be overwatering. I have only watered 3 times in the 9 days, but the pots are pretty heavy. Any other opinions?

 

[bigdog123]

Slump Bump

 

[stihgnobevoli]

that looks like underwatering. i've used those fabric pots before. i kinda hate em. or i wasn't doing it right. they dry out too fast and uneven. i bet you have dry spots in your mix. try watering a little bit at a time next time you water, then after it seems wet, water again with twice as much slowly so it re-moisturizes those dry patches.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

big dog dont think its underwatering is the pot heavy when you lift it I actually really liked fabric pots but switch to hempys this round. Ill tell you something though from my exp. I go from clones to solocups then to smothing bigger like a 2-3 gal like you did. I do this because I like to build up a nice root mass and when i see it come out of a solo cup or a small pot then I know its transplant time so they dont get rootbound done this way too many times lol. When you put a clone with a fragile rootmass into a big pot like that you def need to make sure you let it dry out like mentioned to let the roots "catch". Even sometimes with letting it dry out the pot was too big in my exp. which is why i put that middle transition. If you go into a 3g pot right away would def rec. some perlite/lavarocks to aerate the mix more like a 50/50 mix. Just my little advice hope this helps ! if your pots stupid light then you know its underwatering but pretty sure its not.

PS: get some fans running on that pot softly to help dry them out if you over watered them always seems to do the trick with a little H2o2 if it really calls for it. hope this helps


AJAE

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Oh snaps forget to mention only water to 20% run off if your flooding the young babes then there def not going to like you very much aha

AJAE

 

[FromHolland]

The symptoms look def like over watering to me. If they're under watered the leaves will go horizontally. Just let the soil dry for a couple days. Here is a trick I used to do. Just water them like you normally would. Don't water them for a couple days, after a couple days it will show light symptoms of dehydration. This is the time to water them. So use that cycle. The bigger your pots are the longer it takes them to dry out. Good luck!

 

[dansbuds]

yup , over watered . let the pot dry out to half the weight its at now before you water again . keep with that practice all through veg & you'll be fine .

 

[bigdog123]

Thanks for all of your insights. I think we have properly diagnosed the problem with some of the plants. The thing is that while they have all been watered the same amount are in the same size pots some still have stunted growth while others are flourishing.

Here is a photo of something interesting I saw today while checking the visible roots. Seemingly healthy roots and one that is... I don't know how to describe it. Does anyone know what this is?

Here is a photo of another troubled root I found. This one appeared brownish, but was not covered in the same substance as the rot pictured above. Photo taken with a magnifying glass, obviously.

 

[bigdog123]

big dog dont think its underwatering is the pot heavy when you lift it I actually really liked fabric pots but switch to hempys this round. Ill tell you something though from my exp. I go from clones to solocups then to smothing bigger like a 2-3 gal like you did. I do this because I like to build up a nice root mass and when i see it come out of a solo cup or a small pot then I know its transplant time so they dont get rootbound done this way too many times lol. When you put a clone with a fragile rootmass into a big pot like that you def need to make sure you let it dry out like mentioned to let the roots "catch". Even sometimes with letting it dry out the pot was too big in my exp. which is why i put that middle transition. If you go into a 3g pot right away would def rec. some perlite/lavarocks to aerate the mix more like a 50/50 mix. Just my little advice hope this helps ! if your pots stupid light then you know its underwatering but pretty sure its not.

PS: get some fans running on that pot softly to help dry them out if you over watered them always seems to do the trick with a little H2o2 if it really calls for it. hope this helps


AJAE

What does the H2o2 do? Thanks for taking the time to help me out. That's awesome.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

it's because there are dry spots in your pots like i said. the part with the roots poking is the side of the pot that's moist. the other side is dry. can't really make out that first picture, it's out of focus...the part you want us to see anyway. but from what i can make out it looks like a shoot from a seed that sprouted in your soil. but i can't really see. roots don't fan out at the tips like a new set of leaves about to open.

h202 kills bacteria. it's hydrogen peroxide. i wouldn't recommend pouring that in there though. also adds oxygen. it's a water molecule with extra oxygen. it's also very caustic, it burns like acid. the peroxide on your shelf is diluted 97% water to 3% h2o2. imagine what too much might do.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

it's because there are dry spots in your pots like i said. the part with the roots poking is the side of the pot that's moist. the other side is dry. can't really make out that first picture, it's out of focus...the part you want us to see anyway. but from what i can make out it looks like a shoot from a seed that sprouted in your soil. but i can't really see. roots don't fan out at the tips like a new set of leaves about to open.

h202 kills bacteria. it's hydrogen peroxide. i wouldn't recommend pouring that in there though. also adds oxygen. it's a water molecule with extra oxygen. it's also very caustic, it burns like acid. the peroxide on your shelf is diluted 97% water to 3% h2o2. imagine what too much might do.

Ok so yes like mentioned above it will kill bacteria both good and bad but so are the nutes he may be using such as drip clean anything with and "ide "in it will affect microbial life which isnt bad just depends on your growing style. H202 lets off oxygen when it hits water so in simple terms adds oxygen which can def help your plants if used correctly which is why you would ask an exp. user on the proper dosage if being used lol

Ive used it everytime in my rez when running a so called "Dead rez". Ive also used it once or twice in a grow and ive also never used it throughout a grow. If you care about microbial life you could just reinoculate your medium with it after a h202 use. I wouldnt go over 29% hydrogen peroxide. I use nutrilife's h202 29% at 2ml a gal can go up to 3ml if ya want. You could also use a lower concentration like the 3 percent to just wouldnt rec. above 29% never tried anything higher so idk. But I cant tell you that youll see some damn pearly white roots keeps your rez clean too which is a nice plus

just all depends on the grower


AJAE

 

[stihgnobevoli]

i told him not to use it because his issue is uneven watering, and i don't want him to completely kill his plant. i've never used it in soil cept maybe 10 years ago once or twice. i used it in hydro a few times to keep roots healthy. anytime i used it it was after there was an issue not before.

 

[sourpuss]

Second the h2o2... brown roots .... root rot.... h2o2 clens up the bacteria causing this... also cleans up you beneficials too... not good if your organic...

 

[bigdog123]

Since my original post I did not go wit the h202. I just let the coco dry out a bit and then fed again.

I'm now seeing a pretty gnarly eagle claw effect. You guys think the current wilting and eagle claw are related to my original issue? https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=294658

 

[bigdog123]

Ok so yes like mentioned above it will kill bacteria both good and bad but so are the nutes he may be using such as drip clean anything with and "ide "in it will affect microbial life which isnt bad just depends on your growing style. H202 lets off oxygen when it hits water so in simple terms adds oxygen which can def help your plants if used correctly which is why you would ask an exp. user on the proper dosage if being used lol

Ive used it everytime in my rez when running a so called "Dead rez". Ive also used it once or twice in a grow and ive also never used it throughout a grow. If you care about microbial life you could just reinoculate your medium with it after a h202 use. I wouldnt go over 29% hydrogen peroxide. I use nutrilife's h202 29% at 2ml a gal can go up to 3ml if ya want. You could also use a lower concentration like the 3 percent to just wouldnt rec. above 29% never tried anything higher so idk. But I cant tell you that youll see some damn pearly white roots keeps your rez clean too which is a nice plus

just all depends on the grower


AJAE

What do you think?

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

What do you think?

Yes your clawing is because of overwatering its like suffocating ya know ?


**Get a fan on a light setting blowing on those smart pots to help dry it out faster** ASAP

What nutes are you using ?


I would use a little hydrogen peroxide if I were you get a bottle of nutrilife's 29% or a 3% solution works If ya cant get the nutrilife. Add 2ml per gal of the 29 use 3ml for the 3% Im just saying 3ml I know people who use a capful per gal. The hydrogen peroxide will help yourr roots bounce back a little. But the most impt thing is to let those babes dry out and next watering hit em with the nutes and hydrogen peroxide with 15-20% runoff. Put the hydrogen peroxide into your rez the day your plan to water the babes. Let it settle and bubble for 10-15 min then water them. You can add hydrogen peroxide to your rex every 2-3 days as it will eventually dissolve. be gentle with the lil ones till roots get over shock.

You shouldnt need to use hydrogen peroxide to combat overwatering once you get a lil more exp. because youll know what the plants like and dont like. I like h202 because it it keeps everything nice and sterile. Everyone has their own shit


AJAE