Kratom, Herb, Chronic Pain, and Kicking Opiates

[supreme bean]

Hi ,I have been WDing 5 days now from a daily pod habit.Been at it 6 months since my last
painful knee op.
All going well-been using minimal doses of kratom to keep WD symptoms at bay.
Also valarian extract for night.
REMEMBER.Kratom is your foul-tasting friend!

 

[supreme bean]

I did it.Im off opes-on problem.Not doing krats either now .so all wds are history.

The way i see it.If your hooked-dont delay ,get off.stay off.Opes will change your brain
chemistry.I knew a ex addict who topped himself because he didnt enjoy life without opes.

 

[zeet]

Congrats Supremebean! Good job man.

 

[lumberjack.mr]

I am here as well...

I am here as well...

I wrote this over at the Mr Nice forums earlier and am just doing a copy and paste job. It is a small community over there and figured more patients would have a better chance of seeing it here. Maybe some of you can relate -

I am a legal junkie and I hate it.

Anyone use Kratom to kick opiates? I am so sick of being physically hooked. I am kind of afraid to use it unsupervised and I don't know of any herbalists in this part of the world. I am sick of having my life revolve around these fucking pills. I am sick of being physically hooked. I am sick of withdrawals.

I think I can keep the pain under control with my herb but from being on opiates for so long I can't find that out. I can't even sleep late or I wake in full blown withdrawals - it is as bad as you have read or heard about. I am prescribed the equivalent of 100 5mg Percocet a day as well as a ton of muscles relaxers and the such. I have to take hormone therapy and at 35 can't get hard due to the opiates - pretty fucked up that this is fine and marijuana is illegal. I have only used muscle relaxers a few times since I have started harvesting again. In fact, the thing I have been using regularly is the Oxycontin, Roxicodone, and at times, MSContin (Morphine). I am prescribed 28 pills of various sorts a day. I have only been using the opiates since harvest - the other bottles are collecting dust.

Withdrawals start with skin getting clammy and a general feeling of agitation. The next stage is hot and cold sweats, so much tension in all of the muscles and joints, extreme feeling of restlessness, and racing frantic thoughts. Then the fun starts - everything I mentioned before but multiplied by ten accompanied by diarrhea, convulsions, every fiber of my body screaming out in pain, muscles so rigid and tense it feels like they are going to pop. Many of the withdrawal symptoms are the same reasons they put me on the damned opiates. I have to have them on me all of the time. I have some of each type next to my bed, in the storage space in my couch, in my glove box in my car, and in my pockets. If I don't take any right before bed and I sleep in I wake up in "stage 2" withdrawals and it is real hard to have a nice day after waking up like that.


I used to be embarrassed about it but am no longer.

I suffer from Fibromyalgia and all the glories that go with it. My case is so extreme they used to have me going to Johns Hopkins 6 days a week for testing and observation. I can't take the only drug approved for it, Lyrica. It made me so paranoid I had myself barricaded in my house thinking people were coming for me.

Marijuana has been really helping. I can't wait to start harvesting my Devils to get some indicas in the mix. It gives me a lot of hope of leading more of a normal life again. I will be messing more with tinctures with different combinations as well as trying to mix in other medicinal herbs like Valerian root.

Ingesting the marijuana is not the only thing that is beneficial about it. I get a lot more movement, stretching, and general use of my muscles in even on bad days when I previously would stay in bed or on the couch. It gives me something to look forward to each day when the lights come on. It keeps my mind occupied, maybe a bit obsessed at times, since there is so much info on the net. Having a cloning, veg, and flower room gives me something to do a few times a day at least. When it turns out (which luckily has been every time) it gives me something to be proud of. It is nice to look at something and have a sense of accomplishment again.

Then there is the $$. If I go back to work on the books they drop 20% of my insurance coverage. You lose it the day you go back- if I can't afford the meds that allow me to work how am I supposed to work while waiting for the 90 days to be up to get insurance through the new job. If people can grow their own meds they can get some power back over their lives. - This is the point that gets me the most. They get people in the system and they don't have any programs to help them ever get back out. Once the housing market comes back up I will sell my house and move to one of the better states. My state has better laws than some but I still live in fear.

I may be destined to taking the opiates for the rest of my life but I am going to give this herbal option hell. I have tried every other therapy I have ever heard of except the herbal one so, why not. My case started getting worse when I stopped growing a decade ago, maybe I was treating myself the whole time and didn't know it.

This turned into a rant but I wanted to get this out. I was so ashamed of myself until I read through some FMS forums and saw other people talking about experiences similar to mine- I never posted on any of them though it made me feel okay. I didn't feel so isolated. I didn't feel like a freak. Maybe some one will read this and relate, maybe one of you have had to go through the kicking, maybe it will give courage to another chronic pain sufferer to try marijuana.

I doubt anyone will ever read this long post but this is a glimpse into the life of a an ill person whose life has been positively impacted by marijuana and the struggles one must endure once stuck in the USA's health system.

I am a legal junkie and I hate it.

Vote to legalize.

http://www.fmnetnews.com/basics-symptoms.php
http://www.fmaware.org/site/PageServer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibromyalgia

I am a terminal renal patient in N. texas, also dammed by the opiates and over 10 years of daily consumption of over 20 + pills a day! I am not able to attain the relief I sustain from the use of cannabis by pharmaceutical means! I too am addicted to these dam things, in a state that is known for bullying its elderly and ill. I am absolutely beside myself in pain most days, and recent operations- of which I have had over thirty-two in the past 12 years, have become an extreme issue due to my devastated immune system, after 10 years of immune suppressants therapy!
I am so sick of being sick! and have 5 children whom depend upon me for their inspiration and guidance. I can see the suffering in my children's eyes, two of my daughters and all of my grandchildren have never seen a day in their lives that I wasn't sick and bouncing in and out of the ICU !
I have been an activist in this battle for legalization for a couple of years now, and I am very active in my efforts to advance this fight! I am also very intent on converting my commercial property into a co-op and my land in the country into a farm. I think 18 acres of prime Texas farm land should be sufficient.
My medical bills are exceeding $90,k.00 per month ! - And I conduct my own Dialysis At HOME - 10 hours every day !!
I am a mere shadow of the stature and pride I used to exude, and the depression, anxiety, pain, and constant complications are more than can be asked of anyone, yet are the only constants of my remaining days! I will not stop fighting!!!!!!!!! I WILL NOT SHUT UP !! VERY SINCERELY, Michael W. Rains, Denison Texas.
feel free to find me on Gmail- same user name- lumberjack.mr- or fb. You will recognize me by the beautiful wife and daughters I accompany in many of the post visible- I'm, the bald guy hooked to the dialysis machine!

 

[DJXX]

my old lady was an opiate addict badddd...and getting her to use her pain meds as directed was a chore....i know it had to do with her health demise and then she passed away...part of our tactics to help with the opiate jones was music...if you are in a bad place, turn on some music from when you didn't need opiates to cope and listen to it for an hour or more...it will take you to a good place.....music is great therapy.....give it a go, you are on a hard road...best of luck with your road ahead...DJXX

 

[JointOperation]

any drug addicts that have 5-10 grand to spend.. look into IBOGAINE. one of my best friends little sister.. just got sent to canada to do a treatment.. she left yesterday. 23 years old.. been doing oxys and heroin for the last 6 years..


ibogaine was discovered by a drug addict looking to get high.. and when he used it.. he realized he didnt have the urge to use heroin anymore. and didnt get sick anymore

the US wont legalize and use this drug because pharma companies make to much money off the JUNKIE LIFESTYLE.. and everything that comes with it like the drug war..

when the US companies get there opium from the same place there making heroin.. means pills cost less to make. hmm.. i wonder why? lol

any kind of addiction.. can be cured with ibogaine.. and counseling to fix the issues that led you to use in the beginning

we need to get ibogaine legalized.. this opiate epidemic is destroying the youth of this country.

 

[supreme bean]

Its good to see theres interest in this topic.Kratom really does work,even if you use it for long periods and get a habit.i can assure that any wds are much milder than opes,and can be managed with Valarian extract and indica cannabis.

 

[lumberjack.mr]

The Indica works very well; although recently I have discovered that vaping dabs is equally effective for immediate relief of nausea-vomiting and convulsions, stops seizures within seconds, and is much more instantaneous in response time than Ativan . Just saying from personal experience... Mike

 

[supreme bean]

I would like to know more about vapin dabs.is it stronger than a bong of weed?