Happy Accident Techniques?

[Nug Life]

Greetings my fellow enthusiasts.

I've perhaps stumbled upon what seems to have been a happy accident (if you follow me.. like the story of how "FIM" became a thing) that could have some very surprising outcomes. I'm hoping that there are a few people who are willing to try and see what they come up with as well and report results, chip in knowledge and shoot some theories my way, etc. Crowd sourcing experimentation and knowledge discovery betters any community as a whole, so hey, if you're adventurous enough.. why the hell not?

What I'll be doing is, more or less, copying from a few PMs I had sent a fellow ICMag'r and let that explain what I've noticed and am forming a hypoythesis around. My time spent on here is fairly infrequent due to the schedule I keep so if other people can further an experiment or research it would be greatly appreciated.

As a side note: I spend a lot of time in gardens. All in all I honestly think there are around 20 I can visit at any time; locally I've become pretty well known for helping out other growers who are having a hard time getting their shit together and fixing all of their mistakes, to put it bluntly, or are far too busy to be able to maintain their grows properly (If I'm trying to sound professional and amicable ).. this is how I stumbled upon this.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I'm curious to know if you know anything about this before I post anything with pics or if it's been documented before or what your supposition is on it.

My friend, one of many who let their shit slide to and from "awesome" and "NEEDS MAINTENANCE NOW" let his plants flower out for a short time and somehow the timer got bumped and he reverted them into veg. However, it was only for a short time. They grew VERY strangely, and gained some INTENSE vegetation. Fast forward to having put them back in flower (I'm trying to work out the timeline with him so I can gain a sense of the exact dates and times the timer was fucked up for) and now they've been in on a solid schedule for I feel like 5 weeks again, but they're literally 4x heavier on average than his other plants. They way the accidental and fucked reveg worked out was that pretty much every branch on the whole plant turned into gigantic, albeit leafyish, singular monster cola buds. I've been watching them and was very taken aback today by their tremendous heft vs. the ones that have been dealt with normally. They still have yet to show any signs of hermaphroditic abnormalities.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So, this all being said and observed (I'll post the pictures sooner rather than later if you're that curious about it), I'm curious to know if there's any documented practice or experiment yet that you know of in which someone tries to, more or less augment the plants flowering/vegetative hormone schedule in such a manner that it (without becoming hermaphroditic) changes the structure of the flowers on the plant. I'm guessing that, based on what I've already seen flower out at my buddies, it's possible to dramatically increase your yield vs. a plant simply moved into a flower schedule. What seemed to happen was the flowering process had JUST begun around 2 days after being put back into veg, and only for a very very very short time did they produce anything remotely resembling a flower. Moreso, the plants began the characteristic very tight internodal stacking required to develop the nice flowers we want anyways, and then before actually creating multiple pistils and the whole process continuing the vegetative hormones kick back in and the preflowers that were already created are already both hormonally and physically (in the way of the internodal stacking) ready for massive expansion of flowers, and very quickly.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I have a real bad tendency to ramble at times and could seriously go on for a long fucking time about the other different possibilities as to why that happened and all of that, so if it's not cohesive enough to follow you'll have to forgive me.

If you know of anything else that's been done like that or is actively being pursued as a possible technique please let me know so I can check it out. There are plants that have been flowering in the same room side by side with these that didn't have the fucked up light schedule that absolutely pales in comparison. It could almost be something harnessed and utilized like the "FIM" technique.. just observing an accident and... fuckin' shit is real. [/FONT]

 

[Nug Life]

Here are a couple more pictures for reference for what I'm talking about.

Some of the concerns and questions he (the gentleman I PMed) had, as well as a more cohesive hypothesis as to what the fuck kind of light schedule was enacted based on the information I have (AT PRESENT, I WILL FIND OUT MORE SOON). The buds on the plant, even on the bottom most branches furthest away from the light, are much more numerous and thick than the other plants on a normal schedule in comparison. I'll post a hypothetical light schedule that caused this to happen in the next post.

 

[Nug Life]

Okay, let's say for instance there are 12 plants total. 5 went from veg (A) into flower (b) based on a switch from 18/6 to 12/12.

Those 5 plants are in (b) for 5-7 days and experience the much more intense 1000w hps light, which would explain partially why they're so much larger.

Those 5 plants are then moved back into (A) for ~10 days. Most of their energy for the previous week has been put forth to try and create flowers and get a bit larger. During the 10 days time back in (A), all of the newly created tightly stacked nodes create new vegetative growth.

Then, after that 10 days, those 5 plants are moved back into (B), and then 7 days after that, the remaining plants have been moved from (A) to (B).

I hope that makes sense, because as near as I can remember that's essentially what's being seen here. If my memory serves right though, quite a few of those smaller plants were moved into flower at the exact same size as the frankenplants when they were moved back in.

I'm going to further discuss it all with the guy too so I can see if he can come up with a more definitive timeline because tonight I was just there to help him grab some stuff from the hydro store I work at for wicked cheap and get irresponsibly high.

I mean, it goes without saying that there are too many variables right now because this was an accidental discovery and not a controlled experiment this time...

 

[Nug Life]

Anyway, I kind of lumped this in with a "happy accident" because it was a complete accident that this dude did this (pretty sure his nose is too busy sniffing out cooch lately) and it could have very well been an awesome accident. I've never used a palcobutrazol product but I feel like this could even be utilized in the same manner to create a better internodal arrangement from everything I've read on the shit.. less harmful chemicals though and just control through the plants own metabolic mechanisms.

 

[johndoe123]

Nice read had some outdoor plants do this when I put them out to early. How much more leaf is on the buds versus the regular plants? On mine outdoors I noticed freaky twisted leaves that would almost twist into buds.

 

[Riddleme]

very similar to how I take clones 21 days into flower (called monster cropping) and root em under 18/6 then veg em for a bit they go insane in flower been doin it this way for years

 

[Snook]

you don't say what type/size light they all were vegging in, in your veg area but I get this: 5-7 @ 1K , during 'transition' in 12/12 environment but in 10 days, weren't in full bloom stage yet, just some early pubic hairs, then back to veg in the lesser light area. maybe just the xtra week @ 1K veg (18/6) might stimulate before back to lesser light area (I'd worry bout hermies) or shit, vegem under the 1k @ 18/6 then flip after 4 weeks might accomplish the same. m best yield came from vegging at 400w thru 2 weeks of bloom and then 600w for the duration.. but all in the same box, 2 BBCheese = 22 z dry. they were huge..

and riddleme, I also take clones 14 - 21 days bloom. that's when I defoliate and get the best selection of cuts. i've also started looking at 2 cuts from 1 branch. the top of the branch as normal, with the bottom of that branch using only the crotch of a leaf as its top. it works, so far as well as the tops.

 

[Nug Life]

He (this wasn't me) was vegging in a room that was about 20x8, with 2x1000w MH. There plants were confined to a 4x8 footprint, though I'm curious as to why this would matter as to the best of my knowledge the important part in this instance was the amount of time in the changes light schedules. Not that I'm saying it's unimportant, I'm just unfamiliar with anything directing me toward believing that the lights/size of room have an effect on hormonal production in regards to vegetative state vs. flower production. If you could direct me toward some literature if you're aware of any it would be super tight. Also of note would have been his feed schedule as the levels of N the plant has been fed will greatly augment the speed in which flowers start producing as well as every OTHER little detail lol, can't truly call it science If there's ever more than one variable I suppose, but we can at least we can all brainstorm together and share observations!

Also, those buds were rock fuckin hard when they had dried.