Advancing Eco Agriculture, Product Science

[cannascholar]

Will Biological Advantage be almost as cost effective as AEA's standard lineup? Please pm rep info.

Bulldog, I would also include the photomag, pepzyme, potassium, sea stim, micro 5000, P1000 and sea crop. Do the potassium and seacrop around 15ml and the pezyme 1ml per gal. My plants seem to be able to handle the regular feedings and really love it.

The half strength preventive is usually what I'll do myself. 6 ounces per gallon sea crop is a lot of product.

Loving the Keystone BioAg so far, nice breathable texture, easy to water, and happy plants . Threw some clones in it and they're begnning to exhibit the leaf shine Milky discussed earlier.

 

[Bulldog420]

Cannascholar - I have to full line up however with the results I got back with my soil tests I chose to eliminate some products due to high levels already present. I am looking forward to getting new soil tests after I chop to see how this worked out for me.

After the rain and moisture dries up I will take your advice and spray a preventive, thanks for the reminder.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Rep info sent to those interested.

 

[milkyjoe]

I got one week of sea shield and rejuv left. I ain't waiting...order today or not?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

No BA product can go out without a label on it so if you need some juice to finish do what you need to do.

 

[Bulldog420]

BYF - Do you work for, or get paid by AEA in any way?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

BYF - Do you work for, or get paid by AEA in any way?

 

[Bulldog420]

No really. You act like you have all this proprietary information and contacts with AEA. Do you get paid by them? I really want to know.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Yes the BA program will be as cost effective... It's a blend of AEA and Tainio products so it will have the same type of efficacy on the plants...you just will need two bottles and two powders , a bit different in that regard.

There will be packages offered. Hobby garden, small farm, and large farm of all 4 products in various amounts depending on package size , these will be the best value as well..

 

[milkyjoe]

Will Biological Advantage be almost as cost effective as AEA's standard lineup? Please pm rep info.

Bulldog, I would also include the photomag, pepzyme, potassium, sea stim, micro 5000, P1000 and sea crop. Do the potassium and seacrop around 15ml and the pezyme 1ml per gal. My plants seem to be able to handle the regular feedings and really love it.

The half strength preventive is usually what I'll do myself. 6 ounces per gallon sea crop is a lot of product.

Loving the Keystone BioAg so far, nice breathable texture, easy to water, and happy plants . Threw some clones in it and they're begnning to exhibit the leaf shine Milky discussed earlier.

Cool cool. Be sure to share with us how it goes. Particularly if you need to add n or k.

Be careful about using full dose mcropak and photomag. There may be excess B with that combo and that soil. It will appear first as a tip burn. Back off on the micropak if you even see a hint of it.

It looks exactly like what I always thought was a Ca def.

When you really nail it not only will the leaves bead water forever....they will push it to the edges. Middle of the leaf dry...water beads at the margins

Edit...my only hesitation at all is figuring out how to re amend that soil. I refuse to reace soil but I love how this stuff works

Edit dos...have you experimented with the 3 sea products + Co to try to eliminate stretch for mo bud set? It works except on fuckin og for me. My favorite plant may be some bizzare mutant...somehow that figures

 

[Backyard Farmer]

It works on OG too but you have to Jack the sea Stim to the original 2oz we were experimenting with on foliar

 

[plastochron]

Edit dos...have you experimented with the 3 sea products + Co to try to eliminate stretch for mo bud set? It works except on fuckin og for me. My favorite plant may be some bizzare mutant...somehow that figures

what application rate are you using for the 3 sea products and Co? Are you using cobalt sulfate as your source of Co?

 

[FatherEarth]

I'm not sure they are at liberty to say... ...".? Like the catalyzed water and other things hinted about but never spoken on..
Somebody is under contractual agreement as an official tester is the notion...or at least what we have been lead to believe. Certainly not getting paid to trial except maybe in rep points. It's mostly Area 51 top level secret type stuff... Lol

 

[milkyjoe]

It is not secret. The basic concept is something John talks about all of the time using tomato plants as an example. When the node spacing starts to stretch auxins have become dominant over cytokinins. A hormone thing. And it turns out having cytokinin dominance is key to more bud (or tomato) set.

Stim provides cytokinins. Cobalt is really important to new root growth and the other two just support the overall deal. I use aea's cobalt...it is a 2 or 3% sulfate solution. They sell all the micros to support things found on sap tests...don't know why that is not on the website.

Byf runs double on stim the whole way. I try to increase the rates starting a couple of weeks before flower through the end of what would normally be stretch. Sounds like his method works better. I will have to get my rates off my computer next chance I get.

I can't speak for anyone else but cali gabe PMed me and told me aea wanted to do a trial. I called them and got in on it. I get to talk with them to provide feed back and that leads to them giving me advise. I share it here. Not exactly anything secret. Hopefully it has helped someone else.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Don't know why they'd need to contract any one for testing...now for customer support, distribution. And consulting, I can see that..

 

[leadsled]

Thanks for help with my messed up math everyone. Was trying to make the ordering deadline for the day and took too many bonghits.

It is not secret. The basic concept is something John talks about all of the time using tomato plants as an example. When the node spacing starts to stretch auxins have become dominant over cytokinins. A hormone thing. And it turns out having cytokinin dominance is key to more bud (or tomato) set.

Stim provides cytokinins. Cobalt is really important to new root growth and the other two just support the overall deal. I use aea's cobalt...it is a 2 or 3% sulfate solution. They sell all the micros to support things found on sap tests...don't know why that is not on the website.

Byf runs double on stim the whole way. I try to increase the rates starting a couple of weeks before flower through the end of what would normally be stretch. Sounds like his method works better. I will have to get my rates off my computer next chance I get.

I can't speak for anyone else but cali gabe PMed me and told me aea wanted to do a trial. I called them and got in on it. I get to talk with them to provide feed back and that leads to them giving me advise. I share it here. Not exactly anything secret. Hopefully it has helped someone else.

Thanks for sharing. Has been of help to a beginner like myself.

My exploding bottles arrived the other day.
Lost less than 15ml of rejuvenate. All other bottles stayed sealed.

Hit my existing soil with the primer recipe, going to let it sit in a compost sak for a week before sending a sample in for testing.

Got quoted 500.00 shipping on a flat of keystone bioAG.
Thinking I may l test one light with it. Then use same soil mix I have been using for rest of my room.

 

[milkyjoe]

So the rescue for stretching is additinal stim at 2 qts per acre foliar and 3 gts drench. I chuck in the Co at 1/2 pint per acre. You can safely double shield. I went 1/2 pint on crp...stuff scares me.

Or just go dounle on stim from the get go like byf and don't worry about it.

Root cause of streching will be lack of k or b both of which affect sugar transport or photosynthesis not working properly

 

[Backyard Farmer]

If you double the sea stim you gotta go up on the shield because you'll need the chitin and calcium to build a strong enough cell wall..albion ca with double sea stim and 1qt acre sea shieldworks really well too

Starts using growth and vitality for mothers. Seems to be working great.

Don't list micros on the site because they're rcommended based on analysis by consultants

Loading them up,from the start never lets their hormones get out of balance..

 

[Bulldog420]

I noticed the formula on MicroPak has changed a bit, wonder why?

 

[milkyjoe]

What difference did you notice? I actually think I said why a few posts ago. Would you rather buy from a company that continues ti improve whe new data comes in or one that does not.

Less B....right?

If bio ad ever gets sap analysis expect it to change also. Why wouldn't it?