Advancing Eco Agriculture, Product Science

[Pangea]

So John says seeing the soil test numbers for a green house mix will confuse me cause it does not behave like soil. I ain't having that. Gary is in town this week and we are gonna talk. But if they think I won't send it to logan they are wrong

Thats been my experience, I wont be testing my mix's until a method or lab can show accurate or relevant results.
With the sap testing, one gets a picture of whats flowing through the plants before it gets incorporated into the tissues. Combine sap and tissue testing will allow us a much fuller picture of the growing process, more info!

edit to not double post:

That is gonna make re amending a crap shoot. It would also be the case with other seriously living soils or compost

This is where balance is key, if your soil is balanced to the ideal for cannabis, then so should your amendment, adding only what was removed, in an ideal world anyway, easier said than done!

 

[Backyard Farmer]

It's just easier to not clutter the forum. Again im always available for private discussion

 

[FatherEarth]

I dont think its really that big of an issue. From what I understand the "ghost" minerals that dont show up in the analysis dont act in the same way as the minerals that do show up. In that they are cycled and digested into forms that wont harm the roots and are more readily absorbed by plants. My thinking is that if you add your mineral amendment, what is immediately soluble will up taken up and the rest to be cycled. I guess the problem lies in the available space within the soil colloid and getting it balanced...After listening to a few talks from Nova and reading some stuff from John, seems that our high potassium issues are easily solved with more calcium in the proper ratio to the K. Also that increased manganese increases plant potassium even if you dont add K. .. Interesting to see the effects after a few grows and looking back, it explains a lot to me...

 

[milkyjoe]

All that humus is capable of tying up both cations and ions. That is hard to quantify.

Anyways we need to discuss it and fuck the trolls

 

[odkin]

Hells bells guys- 'eff the trolls indeed! There are some of us that are hanging onto your every written word, learning and struggling to get our inexperienced newbe arse's around what you fellows are talking about.

I could be wrong, but seems to me this thread here is in many ways the cutting edge extension of Tom's big plant thread. So from my perspective, this dialogue is about as good as it gets, and too bad on anyone that doesn't understand this.

Push on, speak freely, and share these thoughts. This is tremendous stuff, even though it hurts my head trying to fully understand all of the implications of what is being written!! ;-]

 

[c-ray]

does a seedless grape or seedless watermelon like the same nutrition as a seeded watermelon or grape, and does this analogy apply to cannabis in any way?

 

[Bulldog420]

c-ray - I have no facts or trial and error experiments, however I feel cannabis actually produces more of the things growers find desirable when they are kept seedless. I believe more essicial oils and tricombes are formed. Essencial oils helps attract more insects which carry the pollen, and the tricombes catch that pollen. Just some stoner science for you.



On another note, I got another order from AEA in the mail today. Once again I had Rejuvenate overflow, however not nearly as bad as last time. Maybe 50-200ml this time, as my last order had at least 300ml overflow. This is in a one gallon container. I am waiting for Biological Advantage before I place any more orders. Gary said he will send me the info when it's available, I will post it up if others haven't already.

 

[FatherEarth]

I thought seeded flowers made more trichomes in order to protect the seed and it's casing 1 from rotting away too quickly 2 for protection from UV rays from the sun.. Just makes far less smokeable material....

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Bio advantage is coming, waiting on lab results to move forward with labels and product briefs , website content being developed...it's getting there. Start ups are really hard to launch but this one will go really far once the ball starts rolling

 

[milkyjoe]

What do you reckon the new logo will be byf

So gary recommends smallish trials with the keystone bio ag not because it isn't a good mix but just out of caution. He did say John is highly optomistic though. He does not recommend going too crazy with ec.

Ima trial a couple beds this winter.

 

[milkyjoe]

The basic theory of the soil is to prevent the plant from taking up straight ions. To get the microbes to do some work ahead of time building compounds the plant can use. This saves the plant the energy of assembling the ions into that same compound. It allows the plant to use that saved energy for cooler things like storing it as fat.

Jacking the ec up with ions can short circuit that.

The confusion comes in the fact that some of the compouds assembled by the microbes can also conduct a charge. So some trial and error is going to be inevitable. But imo the payoff will be well worth it

 

[Backyard Farmer]

probably will be a revision of the logo by the time of launch. Wrote up a first draft of some content for the site today. It's looking nice.

If I go with keystone I'll need the whole truck because of the shipping cost

 

[Mikell]

I thought seeded flowers made more trichomes in order to protect the seed and it's casing 1 from rotting away too quickly 2 for protection from UV rays from the sun.. Just makes far less smokeable material....

Believe you're right. Similar, there's a justification for leaving a few males in the field down south and out east, that female plants grow more robustly in the presence of male hormones. You'll definitely lose weight with seeds, but if all you're after is hash and seeds for next year..

Blech, can't find the source for that. I fucking hate internet searches sometimes. Where's the "stop pulling up retarded stoner websites" feature? -site:trollitup.com, -site:marijuana.com, to infinity?

I did find this gem, that states the contrary. It's good for a laugh, not much else.

 

[c-ray]

so manganese is the mineral needed for seed / nut production, is what I am reading..

 

[milkyjoe]

Yes Mn and Zn are both minerals highly involved in reproduction. Not coincidently they are the two minerals most highly chelated by glysophate.

Mn will also regulate the uptake of excess K. But you got to be careful cause too much is toxic. This was found through sap analysis. It is also the mineral, that when missing, opens the plant up for verticillium.

 

[cannascholar]

Anybody using the pm and fungal/ bacterial disease remedies. I used the pm one it seemed to strenghten them quite a bit. The weather may permit for a good foliar so I'm going down my list of options today.

Fungal and bacterial disease:
Micro 5000 3oz
Pepzyme 3oz
Sea stim 1 gal
Sea crop 1 gal
Pht calcium 1qt
Pht phosphorous 1qt

per 20 gallons

Also the excessive rain, too much mositure, and yellowing plants is tempting due to the hyper cap:
Photomag 2qt
Hyper cap 2-4qt

What are yalls lastest foliar choices? My latest was Aeas ounces to the gallon foliar recipe, excluding hypercap and humacarb but including hyper k. A large increase in smell was experienced the following day.

 

[Bulldog420]

I have been root drenching and foliar feeding my ladies. I am only about week 4 of flower, so a little behind most outdoor guys. (greenhouse) I have been using PHT calcium, PHT phosphorous, MicroPak, She Shield all at 30ml per gal for both foliar and root drench. I also apply Rejuvenate at 60ml per gal.

Was thinking of trying the bacterial/fungal disease remedy formula, however I have zero signs of either problem at the moment. Maybe half strength as a preventive?

 

[high life 45]

Stoked to have found this thread. I'll be putting in an order soon. What do you guys recommend?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Wait for biological advantage. There's an area rep covering cali Oregon Washington and colorado , I can give you his contact info thru pm.

 

[high life 45]

Ok ill holler at.them when I get the pm, but ive been waiting for the advantage from biological since August lol.

I was more interested in what people are using from lineup.