plant sap pH 6.4

[Microbeman]

Check out nova crop control outta the Netherlands for more info on their sap testing and benefits. NA samples get shipped to them, which seems lame, but doesnt affect the science behind sap analysis. The more info the better, what we do or dont do with that info is the key part.

I assume they are micronizing all particles that are not readily water soluble. A coffee grinder is good but cant be compared to a industrial type micronization process.

Now you are getting why I said it was a joke. The farmer in the video said that AEA was the only one which did sap analysis.

BTW I thought this sap analysis was something one could do themselves, rather than sending samples to Netherlands. Smells like sending compost tea to a lab for analysis, which we should all know by now is 100% bogus.

 

[Microbeman]

Check out nova crop control outta the Netherlands for more info on their sap testing and benefits. NA samples get shipped to them, which seems lame, but doesnt affect the science behind sap analysis. The more info the better, what we do or dont do with that info is the key part.

I assume they are micronizing all particles that are not readily water soluble. A coffee grinder is good but cant be compared to a industrial type micronization process.

Hey P, I went ahead and looked at their website
http://www.novacropcontrol.nl/en but could find nothing about the science nor methods employed.

I spoke to my lab tech regarding the sampling methods recommended and he suggested that the leaves would begin 'molding' packed green into a sealed plastic bag.

The lab I use does leaf tissue analysis with all the same parameters but asks that freshly picked leaves be packed in paper bags.

nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), calcium(Ca), magnesium (Mg), sulfur (S), boron(B), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), manganese(Mn), and zinc (Zn).
&
arsenic (As), cadmium (Cd), chromium (Cr), lead(Pb),
molybdenum (Mo), nickel (Ni), selenium (Se), and sodium (Na)
&
pH

can be tested for

 

[Microbeman]

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ep081
If a plant analysis mailing kit is not available, the samples should be wrapped in fresh absorbent paper and placed in a large envelope (plastic bags must not be used). The sample should be mailed immediately to the soil and plant analysis laboratory. An air-dried sample, if loosely packed to avoid rotting, will last two to three days before decomposition begins.

could be of interest

 

[milkyjoe]

Aea uses some suspension agent. Product does not settle out.

I seriously doubt nova is going to share the actual technology. As far as I know they are the only ones doong it.

For us it is moot anyways. Shipping weed leaves is not gonna happen anytime soon

 

[Microbeman]

Aea uses some suspension agent. Product does not settle out.

I seriously doubt nova is going to share the actual technology. As far as I know they are the only ones doong it.

For us it is moot anyways. Shipping weed leaves is not gonna happen anytime soon

There is no such thing as a legitimate lab which does not share their analysis technology. That is what patents are for.

 

[c-ray]

http://youtu.be/0XBsgszPr_k

 

[milkyjoe]

Good point. Avengar is good at finding patent info if he will help. Plus one of aea's reps is stopping by this week. I will ask him

On the micronizing they are using a wet ball mill process. That is why it is in liquid form and how they get down to 5 micron level.

 

[Microbeman]

http://youtu.be/0XBsgszPr_k

Saw that....so? Are there some salient issues within worth taking the time to watch or is it just a promotional powerpoint?

 

[Microbeman]

http://youtu.be/0XBsgszPr_k

Are we going to get back to the 6.4 pH and magic white light or have we gone on to nutrient analysis of leaf tissue?

Are there any studies or just you tube videos with graphs and poor gullible farmers?

 

[c-ray]

I would hardly call farmers who are macking out their crops poor or gullible, call me crazy..

 

[Microbeman]

I would hardly call farmers who are macking out their crops poor or gullible, call me crazy..

Macking? I just mean the berry guy was sucked into believing he had to do it the AEA way as per my previous post. That to me is gullible!

 

[milkyjoe]

Dude you are starting to sound just bitter. Bob Wilts was a compost/tea guy for yrs. I think he understands his bank account just fine

 

[Mikell]

I think you're confusing skepticism with bitterness.

 

[milkyjoe]

At some pooint the two cross paths. I respect skeptics, I got no use for bitterness. Calling Bob Wilts anybodies fool when he has experieced the results and you have not is no longer constructive

 

[Backyard Farmer]

These products flat out work and you can list what's on the label but there are other things that don't need to be listed like suspension agents and other things I'd rather not mention.

 

[c-ray]

intent

 

[milkyjoe]

Let's talk more about the 6.4 pH. Einstein established matter and energy are one in the same...e =mc squared. Every element on the periodic chart has a different mass, means every element has a differrnt energy or vibrates at a different frequency.

Everything in nature must work in harmony. Those things that don't perish. They must share a single electromagnetic energy field.

Tainio was able to figure out what that frequency is. He was also able to determine what combination of elements working together made up that frequency. Put those elements in an aqeous solution and what is the pH...6.4.

Not exactly intuitive to the avg person. But prove it wrong rather than call it voodoo if you can

 

[Microbeman]

Dude you are starting to sound just bitter. Bob Wilts was a compost/tea guy for yrs. I think he understands his bank account just fine

You cannot perceive that he is giving testimonial rather than having a base understanding of how it works? [at least that is the portrayal]

Why on earth would I be bitter? This is no skin from my back. I'm just seeking some scientific explanations to back the claims being made and none are forthcoming.

It is not unlike someone who says 'hey man my results from using compost tea were amazing' when perhaps prior to using CT the grower may have been underwatering or she may have increased container size. Same thing with many mycorrhizal mixes; it might have been only Trichoderma or the bacterial spores included which are the cause of improvement and not mycorrhizal fungi at all.

Do you wish to see discussions on this forum conducted in logical scientific fashion or are you more up for hype?

C has made a comment; Intent. Is that bitter? Is it anything?

 

[Microbeman]

Tainio was able to figure out what that frequency is. He was also able to determine what combination of elements working together made up that frequency. Put those elements in an aqeous solution and what is the pH...6.4.

Show us. I'm open.

 

[milkyjoe]

The way science generally works is someone presents a theory and others try to disprove it. On you bubba. Or you are free to ignore it also. In that case what are you doing in this thread