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DabLab Reloaded-- back to vertville
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Jacks, 300 ppm of each.
Compost tea 1x a week with ogbiowar
Had some light yellowing on some of them.. something i had never seen before with jacks. I have been hand mixing 5 gallon buckets to water them... its a little harder to get it perfect like that, so im hoping it was just one little screw up
Compost tea 1x a week with ogbiowar
Had some light yellowing on some of them.. something i had never seen before with jacks. I have been hand mixing 5 gallon buckets to water them... its a little harder to get it perfect like that, so im hoping it was just one little screw up
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do you mix the tea into your nutrient res or hand feed? i was always afraid to get organic junk in my drip pipes. sometimes when i am done flushing and turn the nutrient pipes back on they have some major stank come out.
that recipe is just like dr hesseinburgs dwc tea at riu. cept it uses fungi that costs 6 bucks an oz. its also alot shorter brew time. does the tea get all nice and frothy when you brew it?
I hand feed teas. You are right about the nasties.
The biowar recipe is like dr hesseinburgs?
Never heard of him or it... the biowar was like 25 bucks a bag, i got the foliar and root pack, and only use 1tsp of each per 5 gallon bucket of tea. Making tea every 7 days, it will surely last me 6 months. Well worth it imo, ive heard nothing but good things.
And yes. I built an airlift brewer, and it gets hella frothy after about 8 hrs
I mix my tea as instructed by Capsulator via email. 1 Tbsp of each per gal, a couple cups of EWC, and some molasses to activate.
Yea, but Cap even says himself that making a tea with that much is capable of inoculating over 300 gallons of water. I mix 2.5 gallons of tea with 2.5 gallons of my base feed, and give it to them like that, then foliar feed. Wait another 24 hours (bacteria tea) and mix the remaining 2.5 gallons less enough to foliar feed with another 2.5 gallons of base feed.
If I were mixing the 5 gallon into a 50 gallon drum or something, I may use more, but...I dont.
Alright, any advice on what is going on here?
I've been using Jacks w/ Coco for... over a year now. Never had yellowing like this in veg. Feeding @ 300ppm jacks, 300ppm Calcnit, like I have been.. ph between 5.7-6.2.
Temps, humidity, airflow is good. Not adding Co2.
I initially bumped up the calcnit by 50ppm. doesnt seem to have helped.
I've been using Jacks w/ Coco for... over a year now. Never had yellowing like this in veg. Feeding @ 300ppm jacks, 300ppm Calcnit, like I have been.. ph between 5.7-6.2.
Temps, humidity, airflow is good. Not adding Co2.
I initially bumped up the calcnit by 50ppm. doesnt seem to have helped.
My ppk veg room is a completely different story on the other hand.
Transplanted rooted clones into the system the same day I transplanted these clones into cups:
Watered 1x per day for a week, then upped it to 2x per day for a week, then 3x per day for a week..
I still havent seen more than a half inch of growth in the PPK, so i decided to check the roots by ripping those fuckers out. They had weak, unhealthy, shitty, stringy, fragile roots.
Idk what I'm missing here. Input?
Transplanted rooted clones into the system the same day I transplanted these clones into cups:
Watered 1x per day for a week, then upped it to 2x per day for a week, then 3x per day for a week..
I still havent seen more than a half inch of growth in the PPK, so i decided to check the roots by ripping those fuckers out. They had weak, unhealthy, shitty, stringy, fragile roots.
Idk what I'm missing here. Input?
I run .70 ec Jack's .50 ec CalNit. No pH adjuster. RO water is .05 EC.
I don't believe running equal parts is the proper ratio, but I know you are following advice from D9. The small volume mixing instructions for JR Peter's recommends 5 tsp Jack's to 4 tsp CalNit. This 5:4 ratio by volume comes out to the 7:5 ratio by EC/PPM.
I had some similar yellowing on the leaves of my single plant PPK, but only on the branches that were tallest and closest to the center of the tray, closest to the light. I tried increasing CalNit but it didn't work. Instead I actually reduced it and they greened up.
EDIT: Okay I just saw those last two posts. You are watering those plants in those 5 gal pots of pure coco 3 times a day? They don't look big enough to be doing that imho. I doubt they have enough root mass to be hitting them that hard.
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First did you do a slurry test to determine where your ph and EC are? If not, start there. I'm betting you probably have a multi prong by problem now. First, you are watering waaaaaaay to often for a plant that size in a pot that size. Basically unless you're plant is on the verge of root bound, don't water more than once per day period (that's why multi-feed DTW guys use super small pots relative to plant size). I generally only water my 3 gal. pots every other day (well the flood table does) during veg, then 1-3 times daily during flower (all dependent on plant to container size ratio). All of this applies to the ppk too 
. So first off I'd start by watering every other day until your plants roots are WELL established. Depending on container size and veg length you might never water more than once every other day through all of veg. To put it in perspective, my huge 3ft tall and wide mother plants are usually only watered every other day in 3 gal. pots. They thrive 
. Second, depending on the results of your slurry test you also (likely) need to flush (with full strength nutes to maintain cation balance) each plant until ph and/or EC are back in the proper range. Might want to flush them even if ph and ec are in line just to insure the proper balance of cations exists (it's easily thrown off when overwatering). That should show results in just a few days.
. So first off I'd start by watering every other day until your plants roots are WELL established. Depending on container size and veg length you might never water more than once every other day through all of veg. To put it in perspective, my huge 3ft tall and wide mother plants are usually only watered every other day in 3 gal. pots. They thrive . Second, depending on the results of your slurry test you also (likely) need to flush (with full strength nutes to maintain cation balance) each plant until ph and/or EC are back in the proper range. Might want to flush them even if ph and ec are in line just to insure the proper balance of cations exists (it's easily thrown off when overwatering). That should show results in just a few days.
DunHav`nFun
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The interveinal chlorosis on the leaf pics is classic magnesium deficiency , but what`s causing it with nutrient profiles being the same across the board ?....
Overwatering/feeding as Dbro just said fuckin up ph and causing lockout and imbalance...I wanted to say something bout them pitiful lil plants in the ppk`s last week but figured D9 would`ve chimed in by now......
I NEVER put plants that small in containers that big cuz the medium will stay too wet guaranteed and root development will all but halt , but Dabs....is what it is...
Do the slurry test and see where PH and EC is at core level and adapt....you`ll be fine , just a lil setback....
Peace....DHF....
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Overwatering/feeding as Dbro just said fuckin up ph and causing lockout and imbalance...I wanted to say something bout them pitiful lil plants in the ppk`s last week but figured D9 would`ve chimed in by now......
I NEVER put plants that small in containers that big cuz the medium will stay too wet guaranteed and root development will all but halt , but Dabs....is what it is...
Do the slurry test and see where PH and EC is at core level and adapt....you`ll be fine , just a lil setback....
Peace....DHF....
....Did you let them dry out on top before watering? I kinda thought that was essential to coco vegging. i never water my veg plants more than once a day. usually they take a day to 3 to need water again depending how far along they are. if you water em when they are not dry on top they drown. my gfs favorite thing to do is drown plants. i had to put everything on flood trays so she wouldn't forget to vacuum them all the way dry.
I think you're all getting all my posts mixed up into one.
The plants in 5 gallon pots of coco were transplanted on Friday. Since friday, they have been watered twice. half gallon each time...They aren't drowning.
Runoff is coming out the same as it goes in; PPM and ph. I'll do a slurry test in a bit.
The PPK's I have in a different room(The little bitchy pussy ones dhf was talking about) were being watered 3x per day, when i pulled the plug. They were being watered 1x per day, for the first week after transplant, then increased 1 feeding, per week. No growth tho, so obviously that was wrong.
. To put it in perspective, my huge 3ft tall and wide mother plants are usually only watered every other day in 3 gal. pots. They thrive
...I would assume your mothers arent cookin under HPS's tho... Probably just coolin out under some t'5s no??
In 3 gallon containers, I was having to HANDfeed 2x per day minimum. they dont work for my setup.
5 gallon containers are what i've always used. Get plants big enough in veg (feeding ~ 1x per day), and you can go hard on the feedings in flower (I was hittin em 8x per day when using 80% perlite), probably wouldnt go above 3 or 4x per day in straight coco.
These plants went from 1 gallon containers, filled out with HEALTHY roots, to 5 gallon containers on friday. Maybe DHF is right about the Mg. Ill add some epsom salts to next feed
This was certainly the case.
Increasing CalNit will shift cation ballance away from Mg as well. A simple reduction in CalNit may solve your issue.
DunHav`nFun
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If the little one`s that haven`t grown with lil to no roots built have only been watered to a minimum , then it`s most likely to me that the perched water table in your upper containers are too high wicking too much juice from the bottom and causing the over-watering effect , but that`s simply a guess bro......just tryin ta help Dabster...
Since they`re ripped out that is , just tryin ta help avoid the same problem again....
Peace....DHF........
Since they`re ripped out that is , just tryin ta help avoid the same problem again....
Peace....DHF....
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