Still continuing with deficiencies on all of my plants after a week in recovery **pic

[papaduc]

Now, with giving what I have in hand, can you elaborate on why it is so wrong to flip them right now and continue feeding them with 1.5 PH'd solution until they are all as healthy as can be?

Because the frame you create in veg is the frame for what you achieve in flower. If you flower unhealthy weak plants, you will get weak yields. Obviously there's nothing you can do about your time restraints so you've got to make the best of a bad situation.

I do have an ec pen and I am using House and Garden coco a and b as a base and nothing else for the moment.

What's your water ec?

What are your lowest temps ?

If your tap's between 0.2 - 0.4 then you should be 1.0-1.2 total on your base feed.

You need to get some shots of the plant under proper lighting to see exactly what shape it's in.

 

[Weeded1s]

Budsseeker yours looks like calcium to me. I guess maybe p to..but deff calcium.
To the op..deff. magnesium. If nutes r in good ratios (good sold base with the correct percentages)then either over nuted to high ec or overwatered...or both. They tend to look really similiar but your not that droopy.

 

[CheeseFiend]

hey papaduc i tested my water with a bluelab ec trunchion and i get no reading ? can this be right i am a new grower first grow will be started in a week

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Alright aloe, I don't know how u weed thru all the helpers but, like I said the first time they can come out of it. If u see clear signs of going on the right track then u can still get good return on these. They might just require a little more training than usual. I know for a fact u can f up llike u did and still get awesome results. But to gamble that they are gonna come out of it during the stretch before flower sets in is ur gamble alone. Safer way is to use the fresh starts. But I have ran them like that before too.

 

[Hydropimp]

first pic mag

second calmag

turn off the light snap a pic.

I use h&g flakes with magical in ro with coco.

 

[Weeded1s]

^ thats whats up...but why is the next question.

 

[Hydropimp]

What is the e.c of your mix?

 

[AloeRuss]

Weeded1 - do we know you? You ask all the right questions.

I gave them light solution for few times now.
Next I will hit them with at least 6 ml of base and pinch of Epsom again.
I will see them through the end and take what they will give me.
I saw through only 8-9 harvests, so some experiences are still new to me. I lts gonna cost me 4-5 lb but I will know to never touch those cubes again.

 

[papaduc]

hey papaduc i tested my water with a bluelab ec trunchion and i get no reading ? can this be right i am a new grower first grow will be started in a week

Does it register with other things? Have you got calibration solution to check it?

If it gives the right reading in the calibration then you just have very soft water, in which case you'd just go to 1.0ec with the base nute alone.

Weeded1 - do we know you? You ask all the right questions.

I gave them light solution for few times now.
Next I will hit them with at least 6 ml of base and pinch of Epsom again.
I will see them through the end and take what they will give me.
I saw through only 8-9 harvests, so some experiences are still new to me. I lts gonna cost me 4-5 lb but I will know to never touch those cubes again.

The cubes weren't your only problem. And you shouldn't be adding epsom salts to a balanced feed because there is no need. You're more likely to give your self problems than solve them, depending on what amount of solution you're adding a pinch to.

If you answer my questions above, and you post pictures under normal light, you'll be a lot closer to your solution in the end than you are now.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

looks like you need to feed them more magnesium and calcium. can you take a picture of the whole plant outside the room? they look like they're in individual bags, surely you can take one outside and take a picture of it in normal light.

plants have different requirements. some need more mag and cal like this one appears to need. growing weed isn't simply copy and paste. these aren't tomatoes.

 

[papaduc]

looks like you need to feed them more magnesium and calcium. can you take a picture of the whole plant outside the room? they look like they're in individual bags, surely you can take one outside and take a picture of it in normal light.

plants have different requirements. some need more mag and cal like this one appears to need. growing weed isn't simply copy and paste. these aren't tomatoes.

Don't you think that until you've learned to grow plants properly yourself, you should do a bit more listening and a bit less telling?

Is cannabis more complicated than tomatoes or squash? Have you ever grown either to find out?
If you have done, you will know that cannabis is the easiest to keep happy.

Growing weed IS copy and paste because of the fantastic base nutrients available to us these days which have every element in the correct amount. The fact that you find different speaks more about your inability to grow your plants properly than the inability of nutrient manufacturers to make good food for them.

You really need to listen and apply that information to your own grows. I've told you this before. Your advice on this forum is misleading and unhelpful most of the time and I'd advise people before they take it, to have a look at your plants and your results and then decide if that's the path they want to follow.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

this fuckin guy again, don't you have a hobby?

i'm talking to the guy who was asking a question about his leaves, i wasn't addressing you, i was informing him that all plants have different needs varying slightly from the basics. some plants need more of one thing or another, these plants obviously need more magnesium and calcium in their diets, off the top of my head i would say because it's making more flowers than stems and leaves which require a whole lot of magnesium and calcium to support all that new growth.

i'm sharing my knowledge with him. i was in no way addressing you. so go back to whatever you normally do when you aren't trying to force everyone to bend to your will.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

Don't you think that until you've learned to grow plants properly yourself, you should do a bit more listening and a bit less telling?
i grow plants awesome, i do a lot of listening, i listen to my plants not guys like you who never look at their plants and focus only on mixing bottles of snake oil together. this "TELLING" as you call it is me sharing the benefits of my experience with others

Is cannabis more complicated than tomatoes or squash? Have you ever grown either to find out?

yes i grow and have grown lots of plants, that's why i know so much about growing them. I haven't spent as much time growing tomotoes as i have weed so i don't know how the different elements effect the taste of tomatoes. might be as complex as weed when grown for the best flavors, but for growing tomatoes to get red and ripe, it requires a box of miracle gro bloom formula and water. Miracle gro has very little micro nutrients btw in case you didn't know, i don't know why you wouldn't know. you know everything. so yeah growing tomatoes is less complex.

If you have done, you will know that cannabis is the easiest to keep happy.

yeah canabis is fairly easy to keep happy...in soil...in large containers. in hydro or in smaller and increasingly smaller containers its actually HARDER to keep happy...i guess you would know this "if you have done"

Growing weed IS copy and paste because of the fantastic base nutrients available to us these days which have every element in the correct amount. The fact that you find different speaks more about your inability to grow your plants properly than the inability of nutrient manufacturers to make good food for them.

No. It's fucking not or else this cannabis infirmary wouldn't be here full of threads just like this one with guys copying and pasting grow formulas AND STILL NEEDING HELP!!!!

i'm glad someone like minded realized growing weed isn't as easy as copy and paste and decided to make this infirmary for people to help each other



You really need to listen and apply that information to your own grows. I've told you this before. Your advice on this forum is misleading and unhelpful most of the time and I'd advise people before they take it, to have a look at your plants and your results and then decide if that's the path they want to follow.

<---- Yes. My advice is misleading and unhelpful which is why most of those green dots came from the infirmary and new growers sections of this site. totally makes sense.

since you feel like you have to address me and question me allow me to answer you. hopefully you'll accept my answers and go somewhere. i won't hold my breath though.

if you would like to know more click any of the links in my sig, both those pictures are links too. I write all about what i'm doing it, why i'm doing it, and what i learned from it. you may find it useful. VVV

please save all further discussion for my INBOX, i do not wish to clutter up this poor guys thread any further.

 

[theother]

This cracks me up, everyone giving conflicting advice. Honest opinion man, you have bad instincts, don't indulge them anymore, do what you see work for others. Address environment first and foremost every time. What has your temp and rh been? You can use the fucking cubes but you have to feed a nute that is appropriate for rw, something like aqua flakes. RUnning cocos ab with rw might work for some people but not u or I, if we are gonna run rw we should do the way that makes the most sense. Honestly if it was me, I would have flipped the cubes hand watered with aqua flakes. It's not a bad way to go, fun to watch.

What ec are your feeds? What is your starting water like? Are you adding anything besides Epsom? What is rh and temp, do you have air movement, are the fans beating up the plants? How high is the light? How long is it taking to dry out? Are you judging by weight or are you looking for lighter colored patches of coco?

I know you have answered these but let's answer them all in an updated manner, giving us an idea of what your strategy is as of today. I'm a huge fan of the get the facts out there and then workshop a solution. If there is an environment or a voc issue it does no good to fuck with the nutes. Honest honest opinion, is almost never the nutes unless they are being overfed.

 

[Weeded1s]

Im sticking to my guns still. If you see yellow new growth along with that mag. Deff..most likely overwatering. If you see the claw on fan leaves that are dark green with some tip burn here and there its overnuted(any 2 of these 3 at same time). If its fan leaves nearest the bottom r yellowing then up the feed to take care of deff. Your close. You have the answers!..trouble shoot those last 3 scenerios (or post a whole plant pic either with lights off or right before they turn on.) And you should have this figured out maybe even by today..which will then give you a game plan for early flowering..ie: up feed, chill on watering, or reduce feed.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Guy's he knows what he did and how to avoid it in the future. He is now to a decision making time for himself, and he has a clear view of what the choices are. So if u don't have input on the decision at hand I think its a mute point.
gl aloe

 

[theother]

Guy's he knows what he did and how to avoid it in the future. He is now to a decision making time for himself, and he has a clear view of what the choices are. So if u don't have input on the decision at hand I think its a mute point.
gl aloe

Nothing is a mute point, all honest environmental parameters please, starting water info, ec of current feed, ec of future feed, anything besides h&g ab, are the plants getting beaten by air movement, does he have enough air movement, wattage of lights, height of lights. To what extent are you letting them dry? How much runoff?

Honestly bro I've seen it again and again, it's probably environment or overwatering, or over feeding, seems like it always is, but until we quantify what's going on in the room it's nothing but personal opinion. A sealed up 82 degree co2 room at 75% rh is gonna need a different program than a room that's air cooled. I see so many room where they are running mid 80's air cooled with 45% rh and are confused by why a feed schedule designed for optimum conditions is not working in there room, and fwiw, almost every single one of them thinks I'm gonna tell them to feed more. Doesn't matter the media, doesn't matter what nute line, if the environment isn't right your gonna have a bad time. I need to put that shit in my sig now that I think about it, maybe just sign off each time with "environment first" lol, who fucking knows.


Put all personal shit aside, don't overthink it, nail down exactly what the environment looks like and exactly what's in the water and he can come up with a plan.

Also get some pics under normal lighting, I can not fucking tell anything with the hps glow, I doubt there underfed, it's almost certainly something environmental that we can set him straight on, IME get the environment right, put them in whatever media and feed whatever nute and you are gonna be do far ahead of the guy who feeds the perfect nute in the perfect media with a bad environment.

 

[AloeRuss]

Miraculous is right and I have to decide.
My environment has been tuned by last 4 very successful runs that gave me around 2.3 lb per light.
So my issue here consist of a bad desition at the start and the goal is to feel the 3 gal pot with roots ASAP.
Although many root tips are showing through the smart pot already I am still behind on getting a healthy root system.
Environment is book perfect here.

 

[AloeRuss]

What I truly would love to know if u guys think it would be a good idea to foliar feed with magic green or not.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Nothing is a mute point, all honest environmental parameters please, starting water info, ec of current feed, ec of future feed, anything besides h&g ab, are the plants getting beaten by air movement, does he have enough air movement, wattage of lights, height of lights. To what extent are you letting them dry? How much runoff?

Honestly bro I've seen it again and again, it's probably environment or overwatering, or over feeding, seems like it always is, but until we quantify what's going on in the room it's nothing but personal opinion. A sealed up 82 degree co2 room at 75% rh is gonna need a different program than a room that's air cooled. I see so many room where they are running mid 80's air cooled with 45% rh and are confused by why a feed schedule designed for optimum conditions is not working in there room, and fwiw, almost every single one of them thinks I'm gonna tell them to feed more. Doesn't matter the media, doesn't matter what nute line, if the environment isn't right your gonna have a bad time. I need to put that shit in my sig now that I think about it, maybe just sign off each time with "environment first" lol, who fucking knows.


Put all personal shit aside, don't overthink it, nail down exactly what the environment looks like and exactly what's in the water and he can come up with a plan.

Also get some pics under normal lighting, I can not fucking tell anything with the hps glow, I doubt there underfed, it's almost certainly something environmental that we can set him straight on, IME get the environment right, put them in whatever media and feed whatever nute and you are gonna be do far ahead of the guy who feeds the perfect nute in the perfect media with a bad environment.

Your right about the environment being most important and understanding all the other peramiters. but we covered what was wrong in the first thread. Now hes to the point of deciding weather to use these or another batch that's a couple weeks behind but healthy.

aloe russ, Ill let someone else chime in on foliars as I don't use them, so no advice here. Except under normal healthy growing circumstances I wouldn't ever spray anything.