Will breeding with a hermi male result in hermi females?

[neongreen]

...or just hermi males and normal females?

Has anyone actually tried?

I got this "male" from a Herijuana F2 (bred by 3LB) seed. It started off flowering like a normal male, but since I cut a bunch of stems off it and put them into water it's started to produce female flowers.

I wanted to use it for breeding/making F3s, but have been told that the hermi trait is dominant, and I shouldn't breed with it.

It looks like I'll just be smoking it (rather than saving pollen from it) unless someone can convince me otherwise!

 

[br26]

If it is a male and forced to change sex and s1'd itself, then all the seeds should be male. The reverse goes for females and feminized seeds. You made masculine seeds.

 

[stoned-trout]

when I did it I didn't get any herms..i did it once with c99...theres one breeder who had a lot to say about herm males..think it was DJ the guy who bred blueberry and such...but I used the pollen on a female . your looks like it self pollinated....I don't recommend breeding with herms...that's happened to me but I never kept track of the seeds or what I did with em..maybe I fed em to my cocatiel I had at the time...or I tossed em in on a massive seedlot sprouting and didn't keep track..????????

 

[BullDogDad]

My input is limited but I was once given a film canister full of Afghooey seeds that I was told were the result of a female going hermie and pollinating the guys entire flower room. I only grew out 12 of those seeds. Every one started out female and around week five every single one went hermie. I took them as far as I could. Once I started to see immature seed developing I chopped them. People still liked the smoke actually but it was a bit short lived. I cull any plant that has hermie tendencies whether a little or a lot. I would also cull it's parents. I don't care how special the smoke of the plant might be. I would never waste time on the progeny of a plant with those tendencies either. The only way to "get rid" of the hermie trait is to not tolerate it. If you are starting a line from land races then there may be an exception in the beginning because you may not have a choice. They may all have the tendency to herm. That's where really knowing your shit when it comes to breeding and the ability to work with large populations comes in handy.

 

[stoned-trout]

I wouldn't ever bother with a female herm ..but the one time I used a herm male I didn't have any issues. so I agree^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[MJPassion]

Those "reverse herm" males are considered special by some breeders. DJ Short says they give rise to a larger female population from the resultant seed.

I think you should do the deed. Do a test run and then decide if the male was a dud or a stud.

And save pollen just in case you get a stud.

 

[neongreen]

Thanks for the replies all. I think I will have to give it a try, part of the reason being that I only have a single Heri seed left which I'm hoping will be female.

If nothing else it should be an interesting experiment!

 

[stihgnobevoli]

you can always save a clone of it and pop your last seed, if it's a girl then dust her with the pollen from this one and some male from somewhere else for an outcross. as well as i would let this plant self itself and keep those seeds separate. now you have 3 crosses to play with and if you never end up with a heri female you can always dust this hermi with your male and also dust another plant with the true male. one of those resulting males/females you can cross back to the heri male or female, or this hermi even depending on what you get from that last seed.

 

[neongreen]

you can always save a clone of it and pop your last seed, if it's a girl then dust her with the pollen from this one and some male from somewhere else for an outcross. as well as i would let this plant self itself and keep those seeds separate. now you have 3 crosses to play with and if you never end up with a heri female you can always dust this hermi with your male and also dust another plant with the true male. one of those resulting males/females you can cross back to the heri male or female, or this hermi even depending on what you get from that last seed.

Thanks for the suggestions stihgnobevoli...

It might be a bit difficult to get the selfed seeds to mature since all the plant is cut and put in bottles with water in them. I suppose I could try and save a clone... and perhaps the seeds will mature on it also.

Either way I have a few good doses of pollen (enough for a few thousand seeds potentially, but more like 500-1000 realistically) from him that will be frozen till next season - I've been growing outdoors since I've had problems trying to get things to grow indoors, but I've been trying to iron out the problems in the past couple of weeks and will give the indoor another shot in the next few days hopefully.

 

[mrnicedreams413]

I have a question...I had a unknown OG from bag seed hermi on me and also a sour diesel bag seed Hermie on me..so I decided to take a clone of the OG and pollinated it with a pollen sack off the sour girl that Hermied on me... Any ideas on the stability possibilities? And if usual or less traits will get passed down?

 

[MJPassion]

I have a question...I had a unknown OG from bag seed hermi on me and also a sour diesel bag seed Hermie on me..so I decided to take a clone of the OG and pollinated it with a pollen sack off the sour girl that Hermied on me... Any ideas on the stability possibilities? And if usual or less traits will get passed down?

I believe what you've created are seeds of perfect flowers.

Perfect Flowers, a botanical term, means flowers that have both sexes.
In other words, hermafrodite prone.

If ya pop just a few seeds you will know exactly what you have.

My analysis could be off by miles.
But I doubt that since OGs & Diesels are known to be sensitive.

 

[kopite]

If it is a male and forced to change sex and s1'd itself, then all the seeds should be male. The reverse goes for females and feminized seeds. You made masculine seeds.

Clearly wrong, they won't all be male.

 

[kopite]

I believe what you've created are seeds of perfect flowers.

Perfect Flowers, a botanical term, means flowers that have both sexes.
In other words, hermafrodite prone.

If ya pop just a few seeds you will know exactly what you have.

My analysis could be off by miles.
But I doubt that since OGs & Diesels are known to be sensitive.

For them to be perfect they need to both be at the same location, ie the reproductive system in the one place, not just on the same plant. I'm not sure this is commonly found.

 

[MJPassion]

For them to be perfect they need to both be at the same location, ie the reproductive system in the one place, not just on the same plant. I'm not sure this is commonly found.

That's what nanners are.
Male parts protruding from female parts.

 

[kopite]

That's what nanners are.
Male parts protruding from female parts.

Not in all instances, for them to be classed perfect you need the whole plant to be like that.... have you ever seen one?

 

[stihgnobevoli]

the flowers need to be growing together for it to be a true hermaphrodite like most flowers. stamen and pistils side by side. look at most every non weed flower. male and female parts grow together.

 

[Matt8800]

according to DJ short, herm males are desirable and result in a higher percentage of females in the offspring.

 

[Ganja baba]

im going to check but I'm sure we had a plant that was male then turned female and all the seeds that came from the bud are male and female and very stable

 

[Matt8800]

Those "reverse herm" males are considered special by some breeders. DJ Short says they give rise to a larger female population from the resultant seed.

I think you should do the deed. Do a test run and then decide if the male was a dud or a stud.

And save pollen just in case you get a stud.

I remember reading the same thing that pollen from males that show female traits are considered desirable. I have one now on a kimbo kush x sour kush cross that I am using to pollinate the females.

 

[Adze]

The question of whether male inter sexed plants are the same as female inter sexed plants in how they affect their offspring is very interesting. Female "hermies" clearly contribute to inter sexed female plants in the following generations. But do male inter sexed plants cause the next generation to have female inter sexed plants? Is it possible that these traits are entirely independent from each other? Some may have both traits, complicating the issue.