Motherlode Gardens 2014

[grow nerd]

I like to do shots of snake venom. But only if it's organic.

 

[Meds215]

Y4p215. After getting broad mites this season I'm using forbid in veg. I'm lucky i have no visible pm and I'm running all clones . None of us would like to use chems but it's a must when growing clones. And as long as the buds test good whats the issue?

 

[Bulldog420]

Why do clone people have it worse? You guys continue to get new clones and the clones come infected? Or is it something about keeping a strain alive for that long that makes it susceptible to PM?

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

The only spots of PM Ive seen so far are on my seed plants.

 

[JointOperation]

pm sucks.. ive had a shitty outdoor season so far.. caterpillars.. PM... and budrot from the caterpillar damage....

had to pull down the one with PM.. put a trashbag over it .. and cut it down..so it doesn't spread to the entire crop..

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Im gonna spot spray with Serenade today. Only a few spots in the back, shady corners.
I was told that you can safely spray Serenade on flowers up to week 4 or 5 of flower.
Is this true?

 

[theJointedOne]

lol

 

[bobblehead]

CaCl2 is commonly used in AG to combat pm.

 

[epicorchard]

Taking in a california clone is like having unprotected sex with a $25 street hooker. You really want to try something new (like the "bobsled": one in the front, three in the back), but you also know your'e gonna catch every disease recognized by science, and possibly a few others you've never heard of and can't pronounce.

From what little I understand about seeds, the only thing they can give you is bad genes.

Once again, always avoid $25 corner coochie, but if you can't resist, I'd treat them when there as young as possible with something not OMRI certified.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

You only get pm when plants don't have a thick enough pectate layer

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

The ONLY time?
So airflow, temp and humidity dont have nothing to do with it?

 

[epicorchard]

You only get pm when plants don't have a thick enough pectate layer

I hate to be the barer of bad news, but when I got home I noticed pm on the Bomb Threat and the SFV. Nothing a little einstein oil can't fix, but I think even in healthy plants, PM will thrive in the right conditions.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

No because if the plant has a thick enough pectate layer and enough photosynthetic energy you can put that plant in a field of pm covered plants and it just won't get infected.

Fungus and pest pressures are indicators of declining plant health. Healthy plants dont succumb to pests and disease. I know , crazy concept !

 

[theother]

the mildew cure has canola oil and it works to temporarily wash the leafs off but it will be back in a week or two. neem is a good option but spraying neem on flowering plants will affect the smoking taste negatively. and its funny how people are so into these organic sprays when they aren't that good for you either. sulfur, potassium bicarbonate, neem oil all that stuff on your nugs is bad too.

anyways, myclobutanil is really only dangerous if it accumulates in the soil. so if your drench soaking your plants and it leeches into your soil then it will stick around longer. again i dont mean to clutter up the thread but I've read this same argument on THCfarmr and on this forum too its a very passionate subject but in general its always the same argument, and people on both sides rarely see eye to eye. I'm not just blindly spraying the stuff multiple times a year, i do one spray in veg and thats it. then a few maintenance sprays of sulfur/greencure/neem in early flower, after that nothing. certain clones like cherry pie, cookies, OG all have PM in them. theres no way to get around it if you are growing from clone.

"California accounts for roughly 50% of all myclobutanil use in the US, using 70,000 to 90,000 lbs. annually. Grapes are the most heavily treated crop, using 60% of all myclobutanil in California. Almonds and strawberries are also account for a notable percentage of myclobutanil use in California"



"Degradation is primarily through breakdown by soil microbes, but it will likely leave the site of application by leaching into the soil or with water runoff. If myclobutanil leaches deeply into soil or gets into aquatic sediment (environments without oxygen) it will likely persist for years."

"The octanol/water partition coefficient for myclobutanil indicates that it has a low to moderate attraction to organic solvents - which means it may bind to fish or animal tissue. In metabolism studies, rats quickly absorbed myclobutanil and completely eliminated it within 96 hours with no chemical accumulation in the rat's tissue (Reference 5). The hazard for bioaccumulation of myclobutanil is rated low."

"The EPA considers myclobutanil not likely to be a human carcinogen and there were no signs of neurotoxicity or mutagenicity in long-term toxicity testing. Reproductive and developmental toxicity testing observed fetal toxicity only at doses equal to or above those that caused maternal toxicity. Myclobutanil has not been identified as a potential endocrine disruptor."

you can play golf on E20 treated turf and be low hazard, kids can roll around in e20 treated turf and be considered moderate in hazard. the high hazard zones for e20 are from actually ingesting it at its full strength, or being showered with it for two years straight like the study they did on rats.



i am not condoning its use, of course down the line i would prefer to never have to use it. until i figure out how to make the plant fight it naturally its gonna be used as a preventative in veg. until i see concrete evidence that a e20 spray done 3 months prior to harvesting flowers will leave enough of the toxin in the nugs that it would be considered even a LOW to moderate hazard than i will continue to use it. I've had issues with my own growing partner over this exact subject he was extremely against using it because his garden is 100% organic. Well at the end of the day his nugs have PM damage and mine dont….

Interesting stuff, this is a great conversation. Myclobutinil seems to be firmly accepted in this industry. I would suspect that most clones from reputable nurseries are dunked. I don't know it for a fact, but with some strains being south pm hores it's amazing to think they wouldn't.

I remember seeing some testing either here or on the farm showing tests from a plant treated with e20 in veg showed up with o ppm or ppb can't remember which threshold they used. Same plant showed I believe avid still in the plant from veg.

Do you guys dunk or spray? Ehat kind of prefect ion do you wear when you spray? Great point about grass, as a very avid golfer I can be assured I have been exposed to it for sure. In fact years ago I used to always put tees in my mouth while walking to and from the cart or push cart. It seemed convenient, but I got super sick from it once and never did it again. Way before I knew about myclobutinol and turf grass, but it happened.

How long do you feel the e20 gives you resistance to pm? Does it start to pop up a bit late in flower? Do you feel the e20 treated plants get it late at the same rate as non treated plants or do they get it slower, from some residual effect of the myclobutinol?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I hate to be the barer of bad news, but when I got home I noticed pm on the Bomb Threat and the SFV. Nothing a little einstein oil can't fix, but I think even in healthy plants, PM will thrive in the right conditions.

Indoor plants are never going to be as healthy as outdoor plants. Indoor lamps don't make them produce enough energy to truly be healthy. The sun also has UV , mold and mildews worst enemy

I like using MICRONIZED sulfur

 

[epicorchard]

Indoor plants are never going to be as healthy as outdoor plants. Indoor lamps don't make them produce enough energy to truly be healthy. The sun also has UV , mold and mildews worst enemy

I like using MICRONIZED sulfur

Yea, not to mention indoor plants are crowded in with less than optimal air flow in a high humidity zone.

Going to try micronized sulfur, sounds interesting.

 

[Shcrews]

true end of summer

 

[b00m]

Love ya work brother

 

[theother]

true end of summer
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This is the first year I can remember where I was happy to see it go. Fingers crossed for rain, the whole fire thing over there is almost post apocalyptic, so many fucking fires!

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Love what can be done with photoshop.
I like the natural pic but the second pic is just draw droppingly gorgeous.
Schroom eatin time right there.