im new to seed making

[thatonedude]

so ive never made seed before. however I plan too for personal stock. not trying to make the next og kush or anything.

right now ive got 2 different phenos of sensi's hindu kush. both female, and ive got two of bomb seed's hash bomb also both female. I have some Durban poison seeds on there way to me. (hopefully some turn out male)

does anyone have any experience crossing these strains? particularly the hindu kush and Durban poison.

 

[Aquaponicos]

I crossed a male Early Durban (Skunk1 X Durban Poison from seedsman) to a supposed C99 girl and the anise smell really came through most the F1 generation. I grow outdoors and they are great plants that love the sunshine. Hopes this helps in some way.

Whose Durban are you growing? Inside or out?

 

[Dropped Cat]

Dude, some solid strains you got there.

Make your cross, grow out some girls and boys, then cross them
and search for your keepers.

The F1's will mainly be 50/50 of the parents, nothing bad about that.

It's the F2 that starts to show you traits for keepers. Keep as many
of the parents that you can for repeats and back crossing, natch.

Keep us posted.

 

[StankyBeamer]

Dude, some solid strains you got there.

Make your cross, grow out some girls and boys, then cross them
and search for your keepers.

The F1's will mainly be 50/50 of the parents, nothing bad about that.

It's the F2 that starts to show you traits for keepers. Keep as many
of the parents that you can for repeats and back crossing, natch.

Keep us posted.

Agreed. F1s are more stable if you wanna release the seeds, F 2s show a lot more variance and allow recessive traits to shine through, that's where your keepers will be. Also, you want two very different parental lines to create hybrid vigor and stability, so Hindu and Durban are excellent mates

 

[thatonedude]

thanks for the responses guys. and the Durban I believe is from dutch passion. they will be grown indoors. but the seeds may find their way outside in the future. idk yet. 38ish degrees north

 

[thatonedude]

Dude, some solid strains you got there.

Make your cross, grow out some girls and boys, then cross them
and search for your keepers.

The F1's will mainly be 50/50 of the parents, nothing bad about that.

It's the F2 that starts to show you traits for keepers. Keep as many
of the parents that you can for repeats and back crossing, natch.

Keep us posted.

when you get to F5 or so and want to do a backcross to try and lock in traits, do you want to go back to the F1s or the original parents?

 

[Dropped Cat]

I grow in a small footprint, so I limit myself to one project at
a time. Stabilizing a strain is beyond my modest skills as the
plant numbers required are beyond my reach.

I back cross keeper F2's to the original parents that created the F1.

In one year I may flower 18-20 plants, so I seldom go past the cube.

By the time you get to F2 you will hopefully have the info you seek.

 

[thatonedude]

yeah I got lots of time and im running small plant numbers so I have even more time. this is just a hobby. not going to search through hundreds of plants to find the breeders. just going to use the ones that do best in my 18 plant 3.75 sqft sog set up

 

[Aquaponicos]

You don't even need to do hundreds of plants. Pick your top 4 girls from your F2 generation and self them. The family of seeds with the most representative characteristics of the selfed plant will be of higher breeding worth.

The top 4 girls become Family A B C D Fam-A has like 1 outta 10 that look like the selfed plant and Fam-B has 2 outta 10 but Fam-C has 6 outta 10 that look like the original, well C is showing great breeding worth then. save your best males in clone form or save a huge F2 seed stash and carry on making some great smoke.
Best of luck dat1dude!

 

[thatonedude]

by self you mean stress induced hermaphroditism? whont this create hemaphidite tendencies and female seeds

 

[thatonedude]

I basically just want to make a few crosses and then keep them going as inbreed lines, maybe incorporating fresh genetics every once in a while if things start getting stale

 

[thatonedude]

im a personal grower so not trying to create marketable strains. just keep myself in a variety of good smoke for life. and maybe share some seeds with a few local outdoor growers so they don't have to buy seeds all the time

 

[thatonedude]

I know that no matter what I create it will be better than smoking cartel grown brick weed

 

[Aquaponicos]

I'm suggesting cloning your favorite crosses, then using colloidal silver to make female seeds to analyze the resulting plants, but breeding with the original clone. I'm not talking about marketing a "new strain", but using proven techniques to help you find what you're looking for...and have the ability to replicate it.

I'm sure others would appreciate receiving seeds from a guy that took his pollen chucking to scientific level, than the guy that aimlessly spewed pollen everywhere.

 

[thatonedude]

oh, but wouldn't selved seeds be lacking half of what I need to make sustaianable seed? why not just use a male to make seed for evaluation? that way the males could also be evaluated?

 

[thatonedude]

and would also be able to be used to further the project rather than just using space to grow buds. i have limited space and wouldn't want to grow out anything that i couldn't get more usable seed from

 

[sourpuss]

I do the same thing... havin a blast at it. Fact that ypu made something and get to smoke and experience what you made is awesome.... addictive to say the least....

 

[Corpsey]

He's suggesting selfing because of your space and numbers. Doesn't mean you can't use males, he's just saying it would take less time and plants if you did it that way.

 

[thatonedude]

I don't see how unless I build a separate grow space for the sole purpose of evaluation. and even then I don't see how a male and female that will be used to continue the line would ever replicate the same genes as a selfed female

 

[thatonedude]

so I would be evaluating a nearly impossible genetic combination to reproduce