S1 Questions

[AlchemySeeds]

I have read in a couple of different places about people growing out what they thought were S1 seeds and getting male plants.

Is this possible or is it just contamination from another pollen source?

If it is possible, what happens if I breed that male back to the female S1?

 

[Crooked8]

Intersex traits are based on the parents. If a plant selfs then that means it produced a male flower. I believe this means its offspring could potentially have male genetics. Ive had s1s of a certain og and two out of 3 seeds were like nearly 100% male with no chance of accidental pollination from another source. The female however hasn't thrown one nanner and is a solid s1 representation of the mother. I think the spectrum can be broad based on the parents. Im not 100% on any of this.

 

[Only Ornamental]

Genetically and according to current knowledge it is impossible to get a true male from a female by selfing. There is no way an Y chromosome can just pop out of an X one.
Though, it could be a fully sex reversed female which in turn may be inherited; the offspring will be genetically female. Experiments done with hemp suggest that most of the offspring will be highly hermaphroditic or fully sex reversed. It seems very unlikely that the offspring segregates into some normal females and some 'fully reversed females' but no or nearly no 'normal' hermaphrodites in a way that people might think of a normal sex distribution involving an Y allosome.

Logically speaking, it's either an extreme form of hermaphroditism or more likely stray pollen. Cannabis pollen is able to travel very long distances and get into a home or grow cabinet through tiny cracks or on your cloths. There's as good as never a 'not possible'.

 

[Crooked8]

Not sure how i had the offspring i had from the three s1 seeds. At the time i was sure id have 3 females. Two were males though or extremely male doninated, and i had to cull them.

 

[StankyBeamer]

Check out Mack's Chem project. Cob found a "fully reversed female" from a chem 91 s1. Multiple ic mag members have grown out the seeds from this (for all intents and purposes) male and it produces 50/50 m/f seeds just like a regular male, and from what ive seen on the thread they don't seem to show hermies at a high rate, just plants focused on either buds or pollen. If these are "fully reversed females", wouldn't you expect female spatially reversed as well? I choose to believe that these are actually males, and that the cannabis plant is able to produce genetic anomalies in order to survive and reproduce

 

[neongreen]

Genetically and according to current knowledge it is impossible to get a true male from a female by selfing. There is no way an Y chromosome can just pop out of an X one.

What is a "true male" though?

Most "true" females can be forced into growing male parts and producing pollen using chemicals like STS and CS, yet they don't have an "X" chromosome do they?!

I think all plants have the ability to be male or female, but which gender is expressed is controlled by both genetic makeup as well as environment.

In the case of a male from an S1, perhaps the plant is producing a compound that is not usually produced (by the majority of S1s) which causes it to express as a male - perhaps it's a "glitch" in the plant's bio-chemical machinery or a genetic "switch" that has somehow been turned on/activated.

I have an S1 Chocolate Trip going right now that I've just a few moments ago collected pollen from - it's now sitting in a number of bottles of water, but this is it a couple of weeks back:

 

[StankyBeamer]

Outdoor lst!!! What a beaut

 

[neongreen]

Thanks Stanky. It was also layered back into the ground, although a bit too late so the layer did not take. I was a bit disappointed it was not a female I have to admit.

 

[StankyBeamer]

Well it looks like a nicely structured pollen donor, not a total loss

 

[St. Phatty]

Experiments done with hemp suggest that most of the offspring will be highly hermaphroditic or fully sex reversed.

When the goal is to make hemp seeds, I wonder what yields better, the hermies or the regular ?

 

[Only Ornamental]

When the goal is to make hemp seeds, I wonder what yields better, the hermies or the regular ?

Depends how you look at it: From the farmers view, who has a field with a fixed amount of plants on it, the 'hermie' aka monoecious variety will yield more (case the hermie-trait is a weak one and either only some females show it or all but to a low degree AND there are no males in the population) because every plant will have seeds and not only 50% like with dioecious varieties. If the single plant has more seeds... depends on both maturity of the males and females, respectively. Early males won't pollinate the late female flowers and early finishing females won't bring the seeds pollinated tardily to ripeness in time.