Advancing Eco Agriculture, Product Science

[Bulldog420]

I second that, sulfur at this stage seems like a bad idea. If only I had caught this sooner. This math is making my head hurt......I use to be fantastic at math, I was the 7th grader walking up to the high school to take geometry. Now, I have to look up how to find the surface area of a circle......sad, just sad.

 

[bamboogardner]

Ask and you shall receive:
http://www.bhg.com/home-improvement/advice/measuring-materials/square-footage-calculator/

 

[bamboogardner]

I second that, sulfur at this stage seems like a bad idea.

You are still good bro. You have a plan of action now and know what to do. Glad you got those tests. "Faith Based" amending is not the way to go. The sulfur and bringing that Ph down should still be part of the list, just not #1. Use some of the Micropak as a furtigation, or some of the Ag Sulfur. This can only help the situation, but go slow.

Save the crop with Foliar. Work on the Ph as you go. You will be okay at the end. Been there, done that. Getting a plan of action is the most important and at least you can feel good about that.

 

[Bulldog420]

Thanks to all the help from you guys, I now have a well rounded plan. It really kicks ass we can work together on a forum and make things happen. I am thinking about getting another test done in a month just to see how we did with our plan. Thanks again, you guys rock.

 

[Pangea]

Increasing and stimulating the microbe populations will also lower pH, no?

His paste report has .78ppm of P, putting it above both BFA and McKibben recommendations.

What are the negative growth symptoms of your plants, bulldog?

 

[Bulldog420]

McKibben recommendations.

What are the negative growth symptoms of your plants, bulldog?

Almost zero. On my smaller 100 gal pots I am getting some yellow leaf drop. My 200's and 400's are very healthy, and have very rapid growth. I am not having problems now, I am trying to stay ahead of any incoming problems. I don't want to be stuck mid Sept wishing I had added this, or not added that.

Also, yes, microbes will lower the PH. That is why I added a EWC slurry earlier in the week. Also that is why these guys are recommending rejuvenate and spectrum. Both products improve and replenish bio-life.

 

[Pangea]

Cool, right on, I just thought your tests where pretty good and didnt think the ag sulpher was the best course of action.

I recommend a digital soil pH probe if you want to watch it as it happens.

 

[Bulldog420]

So here is what I got if it helps anybody else:

Here are the rates AEA has listed for solanacious crops, which include tomatoes.

Soil Drench

PHT Phosphorous = 1 ml per 46 sq ft
PHT Calcium = 1 ml per 46 sq ft
Micro Pak = 1 ml per 46 sq ft
Rejuvenate - 1 ml per 46 sq ft
Sea Shield = 1 ml per 46 sq ft
Sea Crop = .5 ml per 46 sq ft

Weekly Foliar

Hypercap = 2 ml per 46 sq ft
Photomag = 1 ml per 46 sq ft
MicroPak = 1 ml per 46 sq ft
Micro 5000 = 2.66 oz. per acre or 1.5 grams for 1000 sq ft.
Pepzyme clear = .312 oz for 1000 sq ft (12.5 oz. per acre)
Sea Shield = 1 ml per 46 sq ft
Sea stim = .5 ml per 46 sq ft
PHT potassium = 1 ml per 46 sq ft
PHT potassium at full flower = 2ml per 46 sq ft

400 gal smart pot = 26.79 sq ft
200 gal smart pot = 13.635 sq ft
100 gal smart pot = 7.88 sq ft

1 acre = 43560 sq ft
1 quart = 946.353ml

Hope that helps. It is broken down to 1ml per gal ratios for the most part and should be easier for people to do the math from this formula. If I made any mistakes please let me know. Good luck you guys.

Also, if I understand this right, it doesn't matter how much water is added to these measurements as long as it is spread evenly. So you could spread it with 1 gal, or 50 gallons. Just make sure every sq ft gets the same amount of treated water.

 

[surfguitar]

Thanks bulldog those numbers actually look similar to what I'm doing. Guess I'm right on track

What pepzyme just a formulation of enzymes?

 

[Bulldog420]

I am sorry, that just doesn't seem right as a soil drench. These numbers are fucked up. No way Jose. I am getting a little pissed right now at AEA.

BYF uses 60ml per gallon of Rejuvanate

even at one gallon with the above ratio's I am only adding 3.88 ml for 178 sq ft. THAT SEEMS WAY TOO LOW!!!!

Anybody else finding these application rates to be useless?

I could pick a number out of my ass at this point.

BYF - come and drop some knowledge if your willing. Why are these numbers all over the place?

 

[Bulldog420]

another said application rates.

Here is the exact program recommended by aea for tomatos:

weekly fertigation for one acre

1 qt. PHT Phosphorus
1 qt. PHT Calcium
1 qt. Rejuvenate ​

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1 qt. Sea Shield

0.5 qt. Sea Crop ​

12 Applications​

Weekly foliar and it is suggested mix in 20-30 gallons of water​

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2 qt. HyperCaP

1 qt. PhotoMag
1 pt. MicroPak
0.67 ounces Micro 5000
3 ounces​

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Pepzyme Clear

1 qt. Sea Shield

0.5 qt. Sea Stim
1 qt. PHT Potassium increase PHT K to 2 qt. at fruit fill ​

1 qt. PHT Calcium​

Make adjustments based on your soil...e.g. if your K is high (and whose isn't) do not add the pht-K. Also base it on observation...no two soils are the same, no two environments are the same, etc. Technically it should be based on tissue analysis or better yet, sap analysis...but for a starting point...​

Based on sap tests for other plants Ca and P are the hardest things to get enough of in plants. The Pepzyme somehow improves this process so you might wanna use it in the fertigation also at the same rate.

edit...it is also a good idea to use micro 5000 one week and pz 1000 the other. Even though when you look at the label the microbes seem the same...they aren't. Different effects on how protein is synthesized.​

 

[Bulldog420]

These are the per gallon ratio's of the above posted application rates. Way different that what I figured today. (for foliar)

I did the math for milky's and here is what I came up with, double check me.

63.1-94.6 ml Hypercap per gal
31.5-47.3ml micropak per gal
.66-.99ml Micro5000 per gal
2.95-4.425ml pepzyme clear per gal
31.5-47.3ml sea shield per gal
15.75-23.65 ml Sea Stim per gal
31.5-47.3ml PHT potassium per gal
31.5-47.3ml PHT Calcuim per gal

(copy and pasted from my notes)

Correct me if I am wrong people but this is for a foliar spray, as to where the 1ml per gal recommendations were for fertigation???

 

[Bulldog420]

WTF!!! I am really not getting it now.

Gary just told me via phone call that we should be using 3/4-1oz per gallon for foliar. (for the 1 qt for acre ratio)

He also said to increase that ratio a little for soil drench.

I guess Gary is the one to believe, but doesn't that seem way different than everything else we have figured?

 

[milkyjoe]

For me foliar 1 gt per acre is 1 ounce per gallon...easy peasy and I stick kinda close to the tomato formula.

For drench I base that on how much water I need to foliar. They recommend 30 gallons per acre. So if I am using 5 gallons to foliar I use 1/6 of the acre rate for drench. If I used a gt it would be 1/120 of the acre rate...etc

Edit...that won't be far from garys numbers

 

[Backyard Farmer]

What's funny is I posted great application rates in the big plants thread and got ridiculed for using bottled products! What a joke...


Yes, 1 oz per gallon for foliar , more for root drench on some products , drip application is different and based on yardage ... 1 Qt per acre in 30 gals to cover the acre is where 1 oz per gal comes from ,

These products are the bases for the plants to create raw energy, want them to create a bunch use a bunch , want them to maintain ,use less. You can burn them with some stuff like sea crop , but I wouldn't use hat at 1 gta anyway

I do 1 oz per gal for most stuff and 2 oz for rejuvenate ...I don't use micropak or pht ca

The best news is that biological advantage , the ganja specific formula , is about to launch in a month. I will release a special promo code for people to use when the time comes and hope people will switch from the general produce products to the more ganja specific ones,

Bulldog you really are flying wild over there, do you realize 1 oz per gallon is 30 ml and that all the figuring for milky tomato formula is all 30 to 45 ml , or 1 to 1.5 oz per gallon

The other thing is most application rates for farmers are recommended by AEA are based on their individual crop analysis , something we don't have yet

 

[Bulldog420]

Yes byf, I realize that. I also realize he said to strenthen that recipe for soil drench, and a lot of people have been using 1ml except for rejuvanate at 2ml per gal. That is why I made the comment. Like I said, I guess Gary is the guy to follow. Just seems like recommendations have been all over the board.

So I take it you agree with the rates Gary mentioned, even though you use twice the rejuvenate? (honest question)

Also, it's clear people like what you have to say, just not how you have to say it. That is why you got ridiculed and for some reason you just don't get it. With that said, thank you for all the information you are willing to share. It has been very helpful to me.

 

[Bulldog420]

The best news is that biological advantage , the ganja specific formula , is about to launch in a month. I will release a special promo code for people to use when the time comes and hope people will switch from the general produce products to the more ganja specific ones,

Where can the rest of us find this information? Should I e-mail Gary about it?

 

[milkyjoe]

It is not available yet. Second it is a current best guess at cannabis specific. At some point there will be a sap lab in CO...at that point it will become very cannabis specific.

Even then exact applications become dependent on what you started with and how well your roots develop. Personal responsibilty will never go away. But it will be far advanced of anything else out there short of people that already know what they are doing

 

[Backyard Farmer]

No, when it's ready I will provide the info on where and how to get it and have a promo code for you to use

 

[bamboogardner]

Where can the rest of us find this information?

It is not available yet.

If whomever shoots me a pm with their email address I will forward the .pdf that Gary R gave me a few months ago.

Edited: What I have in .pdf form is the fertigation and foliar schedules for what AEA recommends to mix with their products, not "the biological advantage" that someone talked about.