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Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else

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Jhhnn

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I'm not sure they can pull it off, jhnnn. As long as the neighboring states retain their "illegality" it will be very hard for CO retailers to lower their prices. Folks trying to buy/take it "home" is already a huge problem for the State/LEO...both in and outside of CO. I'm hearing some wild tales of how folks are being detained/charged/released in some small counties/towns in neighboring states...basically...without a "formal" trial. Seems these counties will let some folks go if they have enough goodies/cash/vehicles to surrender on the spot...

Thankfully we (olders) don't have to play such games (anymore)

be careful out there folks.

I really don't see how the price *can't* go down, given the ability of licensed rec growers to produce weed & the low price of production. The way it's structured, competition among growers will be fierce, oversupply likely at some point. There's nothing the State or anybody else can do about it, really.

Maybe I'm nuts, but I figure high quality product costs well under $1/gram to produce at industrial scale, probably half that. That's everything- overhead, licensing, equipment amortized over a few years, labor, all of it. That's $275-$550/lb. And you need to sell it to maintain cashflow or go tits up, lose your investment.

So when total production starts bumping up against a near vertical demand curve, prices will go down like Dick Cheney's hunting buddy. If retailers will give you $700/lb, you'll be glad to get it because the other guy would be happy with less. It turns ruthless very quickly when there really is more than enough weed.

Some of these outfits, otoh, have deep pockets & have their eye on the far horizon, legalization at a much broader national scale. They'll happily lose money for several years to build their market share, organization & expertise. They're planning on using it as a tax write-off. They'll beat the pants off of guys who aren't that good at it. Hammer 'em.

Retailers are always after greater market share, too, so sales, specials & low prices are part of the way to get that.

I expect the whole marketing mode to change dramatically, to shift to consistent pre packaged brand name products. Do they bring out various samples of whiskey for you to snurfle & inspect at the liquor store? Take a lot of time catering to your curiosity? Hardly. Well, other than high end shops who develop a fine wines clientele.

The other side of it, the export side, is really other people's problem. We've made reasonable provisions to keep it to a minimum with the tourist limits of 1/4 oz per transaction. Beefed up the State Patrol to catch the dummies before they get out of state & suffer a much worse fate over there. If we don't have billboards at every major border crossing, we should.

It's small time, personal. It starts to be a problem when CO pot is cheap enough that it's worth the trouble for CO residents to buy up retail ounces & have them carted off in big batches to other markets, get busted doing it, too. We're a long ways from that.
 

monsoon

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It will be fun to watch and see where it all goes and how badly they can all fuck it up. LOL.

FWIW, nobody I know is buying up z's/offering z's of flowers for export to other states. It's all much larger weight than that. >laughs<

keep them State Dick bitches hoppin kids... snicker
 

shaggyballs

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I hear fedfex is cathin' pounds goin' out of CO.
That means prices there will fall soon.
Yall must have extra if you are shippin' it out of state?
This should be a good thing, but time will tell.

shag
 

Jhhnn

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It will be fun to watch and see where it all goes and how badly they can all fuck it up. LOL.

FWIW, nobody I know is buying up z's/offering z's of flowers for export to other states. It's all much larger weight than that. >laughs<

keep them State Dick bitches hoppin kids... snicker

I'm sure you know more about that than I do. What's the going rate, anyway? Mere curiosity on my part.
 
If it's everywhere and cheap as hell and neither the Black Market or big business can make enough to survive, how will it work out for >anyone< involved to even be profitable enough to pay the "grower's fee"? I'm not following your (wishful) thinking here.

Remember when cigarettes were $2 a pack or less? Folks could grow tobacco but why would they? (Some did and some still do, but they are a great minority) Seems tobacco companies still made money. I bet a few even payed taxes somewhere.
 

Jhhnn

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Remember when cigarettes were $2 a pack or less? Folks could grow tobacco but why would they? (Some did and some still do, but they are a great minority) Seems tobacco companies still made money. I bet a few even payed taxes somewhere.

Tobacco farmers currently get ~$2/lb, hand cut, bundled & trucked to market. In tobacco growing areas, it's their most profitable crop.
 
Tobacco farmers currently get ~$2/lb, hand cut, bundled & trucked to market. In tobacco growing areas, it's their most profitable crop.

Seems cannabis isn't a whole lot more difficult to grow than tobacco, and while we're at it, some HEMP fields might do folks some good too.

I mean I didn't go to high school or nothin' but...
 

monsoon

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I'm sure you know more about that than I do. What's the going rate, anyway? Mere curiosity on my part.

I had no idea either. I'm sure it varies with the depth of involvement, getting cheaper as you slide the weight scale upwards, but AFOAF said he had folks coming from "elsewhere" for 3 per. If he moves it here it's 2 or less. Either way, he said he has no shortage of takers.

Maybe when those $700 Hicken-lbs hit the street things will change but for now it's still working for some, it seems.
 

shaggyballs

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You guys...... no fight with me any more.....:dunno:

No fair,:cry: I am leaving this town...LOL

Kinda like 1 hand clapping????:biggrin:

Oh well, I still have the wife to bicker with.:asskick:

Course she can not debate like Jhhnn.

shag
 

armedoldhippy

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Seems cannabis isn't a whole lot more difficult to grow than tobacco, and while we're at it, some HEMP fields might do folks some good too.

I mean I didn't go to high school or nothin' but...

the hemp is easier, good weed just needs a little coddling & some luck with the weather at the right time. a hail storm at the wrong time costs you a year...but then, I didn't go to school very often either...:tiphat:
 
the hemp is easier, good weed just needs a little coddling & some luck with the weather at the right time. a hail storm at the wrong time costs you a year...but then, I didn't go to school very often either...:tiphat:

That could kinda be said for any fruit or veggie grown. There is a reason you don't see orange groves in Minn. I think where the cost comes in is in the processing. Once these $30k trim machines becomes the norm prices will bottom out.
 

monsoon

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I hear fedfex is cathin' pounds goin' out of CO.
That means prices there will fall soon.
Yall must have extra if you are shippin' it out of state?
This should be a good thing, but time will tell.

shag

Extra? Extra what? LOL.

Yes there's extra. Come by and I'll give you a bag.

Bring yer own Mason Jar! :laughing:
 

shaggyballs

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Did I hear free lodging in there somewhere???
Got the ski's loaded.
My Jar is the 55 gallon size.

What was that address again.....mapquest... then I will be on the road.
Tell Jhhnn I want to ride that pony he always talks about....Just playin' Jhhnn

I am glad to see there is no hard feelings here!
I have none anyway!

shag
 

monsoon

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Did I hear free lodging in there somewhere???
Got the ski's loaded.
My Jar is the 55 gallon size.

What was that address again.....mapquest... then I will be on the road.
Tell Jhhnn I want to ride that pony he always talks about....Just playin' Jhhnn

I am glad to see there is no hard feelings here!
I have none anyway!

shag

Make sure you grab the ROCK skis! And don't smoke the P-tex candle!

55 gals? You want red oil or amber? cough..cough...

We're the second left after the first right near the dispensary on the corner. Just look for the pot leaf flag out front.
 

shaggyballs

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Make sure you grab the ROCK skis! And don't smoke the P-tex candle!

55 gals? You want red oil or amber? cough..cough...

We're the second left after the first right near the dispensary on the corner. Just look for the pot leaf flag out front.

:laughing: ROFLMAO :laughing:
 

shaggyballs

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Is it already too late?
Things only get harder once they have their hands in the till.

They want to take away your right to home growing so everybody has to buy from .........WHO?

Here is how it starts!

California of all places???
A significant issue in a lawsuit filed against the county by a woman who was fined $43,000

Read more here: http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/09/19/4133597_fresno-county-supervisors-face.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy

The reporter can be reached at (559) 441-6166, mbenjamin@fresnobee.com
 

shaggyballs

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Is it already too late?
Things only get harder once they have their hands in the till.

They want to take away your right to home growing so everybody has to buy from .........WHO?

Here is how it starts!

California of all places???
A significant issue in a lawsuit filed against the county by a woman who was fined $43,000

Read more here: http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/09/19/4133597_fresno-county-supervisors-face.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy

The reporter can be reached at (559) 441-6166, mbenjamin@fresnobee.com

Looks like they are not going down without a fight.:dance013:
 

shaggyballs

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Good bye home growing, just look at the new states legalizing, CO will fall too.....sorry to say!

I hope it stands tall and proud for many many years, I just don't see it.

VOTE NO OR ELSE!!!!
 

stihgnobevoli

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aren't you motherfuckers home growing right now? why are you voting no on making life easier all around for everyone? is voting yes gonna stop you? will it potentially help keep fellow smokers out of jail?
 
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