6/9 with beneficials in coco

[Weeded1s]

Hey everyone....I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to try beneficials like plus life or great white in coco with 6/9? I have a bottle of plus life laying around but not sure if I should use it.
Thanks.

 

[CloudyAmberDay]

Hey everyone....I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to try beneficials like plus life or great white in coco with 6/9? I have a bottle of plus life laying around but not sure if I should use it.
Thanks.

6/9 is a good feed regime - you can use beneficial.

I'm about to use floralicous plus with it at possible 1ml every watering

Floralicious® Plus is a vegan bio plant stimulator & nutrient additive. It is everything that is Floralicious except it has been formulated to be utilized in both the vegetative and regenerative, or the flowering, stages of growth. Floralicious Plus stimulates microbial activity in the plant’s root zone. This metabolic fuel solution is packed with powerful vitamins, complex plant sugars, protein building amino acids, seaweed extracts, carbon building blocks & aromatic oils all in a fulvic acid base.

Yes you can use beneficials with chem. ferts

not sure what plus life is but great white would deff. be beneficial for transplants and myco's would help with root production.

edit - check out this link (beneficials in coco) https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=243050

 

[johndoe123]

I have been using 6/9 with great white, liquid karma and b52 with great success.

 

[Mikell]

Mycorrhizae fungi association weakens at feeds of 20-30 ppm and completly disassociates in excess of 50ppm. You can still take advantage of bacteria/fungi intended to fight off pathogens e.g. trichoderma, B. subtilis.

Vas is dis "Plus Life"?

Cloudy: The linked thread, besides Seamaidens informed post, is just a monument to bro science at its worst. I'm not sure what the point of that was. There's even someone calling surface mould mycorrhizae fungi, which is asinine if you do a quick google search on quantifying mycorrhizal association with roots.

Apologies if I come off as a dick.


It's because I are one.

 

[CloudyAmberDay]

Mycorrhizae fungi association weakens at feeds of 20-30 ppm and completly disassociates in excess of 50ppm. You can still take advantage of bacteria/fungi intended to fight off pathogens e.g. trichoderma, B. subtilis.

Vas is dis "Plus Life"?

Cloudy: The linked thread, besides Seamaidens informed post, is just a monument to bro science at its worst. I'm not sure what the point of that was. There's even someone calling surface mould mycorrhizae fungi, which is asinine if you do a quick google search on quantifying mycorrhizal association with roots.

Bro Science - Just trying to help. Not an expert by any means but there was a 4 page thread of discussing beneficials in coco

edit - you're fine man. no worries here. I like to learn and intake the truth not BS.

I didn't know Myco's become ineffective around 50 PPM.

So if you put Myco powder in pot on top of coco coir/transplant plant onto Myco powder on coco, feed 1/4 strength nutes or such and you are rendering your Myco's useless? So don't use Myco's for transplant to aid with root development?

 

[Mikell]

It would depend on your base nute, at a 1/4 strength many nutrient lines are under 50 ppm, but with the standard paradigm of most people using pre-mixed nutrients being to push it to the limit (re: burn it a little, back off), staying under that threshold is next to impossible. Mycorrhizae fungi, in the best of circumstances, can take weeks to colonize roots, and even in a full organic set up (water only) richly amended (as is common), will form a week association at best, compared to where they thrive, in nutrient (particularily phosphorus) poor soil.

Don't take my word as law, search out the answer. Google Scholar is helpful, but the majority of results only give abstracts. Other countries are much more open with their institutional research. Google search with site:.edu will bring up strong references and literature, and avoid the bro science of cannabis websites, and the wives tale nonsense of general gardening sites.

Bro science is one of my favorite new expressions Just look how often someone posts a picture of their "dank", to justify their actions/methods.

 

[Granger2]

The way I look at it is, since I don't have info that I am certain of, I read differing opinions, it costs me very little to use mycos. I use them, and if I've wasted a little money vs. some or maybe a lot of benefit, so what? Good luck. -granger

 

[drknockbootz]

What about the side by sides from companies and fellow grower Ive seen over the years of inoculated vs non inoculated mediums.

I understand the importance of research papers but you cant overlook real life results.
Most mycos we use have different strains of fungi and Im sure there are some benefits from it.

I hate to see a ppm 50 being thrown around and now the product we've been using is useless if we go over a particular number.
I think its a much more complicated process than that.

 

[Mikell]

As far as useless products everyones using... you're in a 6/9 thread, a style chosen by people tired of running useless products, used by everyone.

If you poke around you'll find similar result of what I've stated, from reputable sources, growers and researchers alike. Many mycorrhizae fungi innoculants, besides failing to colonize roots (dead in the package, outcompeted) in the majority of cases, do contain other fungi, as you say, and beneficial bacterias.

Standard nonsense you find in a grow store -

Botanicare ZHO - Trich/Myke ratio 28000:1
Endomychorrizal species: propagules/gram
Glomus intradices: 37 propagules/gram
Glomus aggregatum: 37 propagules/gram
Glomus etunicatum: 37 propagules/gram
Glomus mosseae: 37 propagules/gram
Trichoderma species: CFU/gram
Trichoderma harzianum: 2.3 million CFU/gram
Trichoderma koningii: 2.3 million CFU/gram

Guess what that Trichoderma consumes.

There are solid companies out there that sell mycorrhizae innoculants free of fungi and bacteria, but the more you read, the less likely you are to buy these products, especially if you're running 6/9 or similar, in coir.

I throw these numbers around because they are the result of my findings from different avenues of research, institutional and intelligent indoor/farm-scale growers, where plant counts far exceed the "real life" results discovered in basements and closets. And mainly, I'm fucking tired of reading bro-science. If you are looking for your own results, buy a microscope, study quantifying mycorrhizal colonization, then go to town bent over an eyeglass.

50 ppm is not a light switch number, but where mycorrhizae fungi/plant symbiosis starts to really taper off, and with so much solube P (and the rest of the gang) available directly at the roots, to what purpose are the mycorrhizae fungi? Similar to the nutrient loop in organic soil, powered by microbes, that is broken down by applications of soluble nutrients. It doesn't disappear, but is greatly dimished and the diversity suffers.

Like I've said before, the best research is conducted individually, each person gauges results differently. Don't trust some fool rambling on a forum, and leave the corporate literature/side by sides' at the door.

 

[CloudyAmberDay]

If you want to "benefit" from something with 6/9, floralicious plus is the way to go. (imo)

If you want a good root inoculate I would recommend KLN from dyna-gro with 6/9 - pretty much the same thing as rhizotonic (Indole-3-butyric acid)

Myco's with 6/9 would possibly prove to not be beneficial after further research - looks like Mycro's thrive off of Cu And Zn something that P takes away - that's why P is a huge myco killer. Amrite?

I think beneficial bacteria and fungi should be used in organic gardening, building a good web, keeping it well fed and having a thriving colony of bennie's....

You could do an organic coco grow

LIVING SOIL

http://www.ext.colostate.edu/mg/gardennotes/212.pdf

The Role of myco's and relations to P ,Cu, Zn

http://nature.berkeley.edu/classes/espm-120/Website/Lambert1979.pdf

Hope that helps a little. Good luck.