Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else

[shaggyballs]

Perfect for givin' the bad guy led poisoning from a distance!..LOL

 

[LSWM]

Relevant:

"...partisanship “can even undermine our very basic reasoning skills…. [People] who are otherwise very good at math may totally flunk a problem that they would otherwise probably be able to solve, simply because giving the right answer goes against their political beliefs.”

Source: http://www.alternet.org/media/most-depressing-discovery-about-brain-ever

 

[monsoon]

^^^^^^ yup^^^^^^^

And it's relevant to the pot world here as well when it comes to "legalization...IMO... just change "good at Math" to "good at growing pot"...and then substitute "political beliefs" for "financial needs".

Blinded by the light...

 

[shaggyballs]

As far as political beliefs go.
For the record I am not a DEM.,REP.,LIB.,or any other.
Personally I think Jhhnn would do a better job than what is taking place now!( no offence to you Jhhnn)
You should not be put in the same category as that ...so sorry, just makin' a point.

What tha fuck is a lobbyist????
If we just outlawed them that would be a good start!

shag

 

[twist1uc]

What tha fuck is a lobbyist????
If we just outlawed them that would be a good start!

shag

Finally, something that I can agree with you on.

 

[armedoldhippy]

a "lobbyist" is someone so good at disguising a fucking bribe that he or she does not end up in a federal prison where they belong. and you are right; citizens groups SHOULD be allowed to lobby their representatives, corporations should not. regardless of what the Supreme Court says, corporations are NOT people, do NOT vote, rarely pay their damn share of taxes, and should have no more influence on a politician than the cumulative votes of its employees.

 

[Seaf0ur]

I'll believe corporations are people the second Texas has an entire corporation executed.

 

[Sgtstadanko707]

If you can't grow. Vote no.

 

[monsoon]

Can't help but think of how clueless our own little butwang was when I read along on the thread talking about warrantless searches in CA.

scary shit

 

[the gnome]

well looks like the lucky growers of meds in illinois will get to gro.... if they can afford to.

because illinois has 200,000 license fee if you get a licence. and 100,000 after first year to renew it and 7% sales take on all orders. 25,000 application fee non refundable.

I did a search and looks like that's what it will cost
now...... what was bentom talking about when he said regulatory capture

 

[Jhhnn]

well looks like the lucky growers of meds in illinois will get to gro.... if they can afford to.



I did a search and looks like that's what it will cost
now...... what was bentom talking about when he said regulatory capture

Looks like the regulators are capturing the entrepreneurs, from here. At least their checkbooks, anyway.

And it's Illinois, so you can bet there are a lot of power hitters entirely willing to fork over the dough. Cut out the little guy? Of course. If you thought it would be different, you're fooling yourself.

The marijuana business is moving upscale, like it or not. It's the price of legalization. That's an enormous part of the reason that legalized personal growing is so necessary. It balances the greed of corruption against the low price of growing your own & also against the black market. Raise the price or limit availability too much, & the black market will thrive, simply because growers aren't nearly as vulnerable. The only ways for legalized growers & sellers to overcome that are through quality, price & convenience.

 

[the gnome]

Looks like the regulators are capturing the entrepreneurs, from here. At least their checkbooks, anyway.

And it's Illinois, so you can bet there are a lot of power hitters entirely willing to fork over the dough. Cut out the little guy? Of course. If you thought it would be different, you're fooling yourself.

The marijuana business is moving upscale, like it or not. It's the price of legalization. That's an enormous part of the reason that legalized personal growing is so necessary. It balances the greed of corruption against the low price of growing your own & also against the black market. Raise the price or limit availability too much, & the black market will thrive, simply because growers aren't nearly as vulnerable. The only ways for legalized growers & sellers to overcome that are through quality, price & convenience.

this is exactly what many of us have been saying about letting the govt *bless us*....
of course other fruitloops truly believe its a blessing, eh
on the other hand obozo cut his teeth politically in Illinois so no big surprise to most of us,
especially people living there

 

[Jhhnn]

this is exactly what many of us have been saying about letting the govt *bless us*....
of course other fruitloops truly believe its a blessing, eh
on the other hand obozo cut his teeth politically in Illinois so no big surprise to most of us,
especially people living there

Which changes the fact that legalization benefits a helluva lot more people than it hurts not at all.

Besides that, lets say you live in a place like CO, where actually growing marijuana is legal & there's no way for the authorities to figure out if you're growing more than allowed, or not. Well, unless you're really big or somebody rats you out. If you can compete with the pot shops, you're in a much better position to do business than most anywhere else outside of CA. If you can't, you'll fade.

I rather suspect that a lot of small time CO growers will profit enormously in relative safety if they produce strictly for export. It'll be a helluva lot more difficult to bust 'em than it ever was before. In that, I'm merely speculating. That window of opportunity will close when legalization goes nation wide.

Smart money everywhere realizes that there's really no counter to that, no way to stop it, kinda like CA, so they're trying to make it so they & their cronies can profit from legalization. If people can grow their own under the protection of the Law, it'll serve to keep potential price gougers honest as I've said many times. We'll see radically divergent paths in WA & CO because of that, not a good thing for the people of WA at all.

 

[dddaver]

If you can't grow. Vote no.

I disagree. In some cases yes, but in others I think a no vote is best.

My reasoning is that if you already have medical and are looking for full legalization, the a no vote might be better in that some monied interests are obviously vieing to control the entire thing there and using ""popular" opinion to bolster their positioning.

But in a case like FL where there are very harsh laws against all mj, and totally back-assward thinking, then a yes for medical is a foot in the door and opens it up for further discussion. Voting down ANY progress like mmj in a state like this is taking 2 steps backward.

 

[monsoon]

Sgtstadanko has it.

I wouldn't have voted for A64 had their not have been a personal grow provision. I feel sorry for the fuckers in WA 'cus nothing really changed for them. A64 isn't perfect and for my money they could have left the entire "industry" out of the picture, but it's a whole lot better than the FORCED purchase situation in WA.

 

[Jhhnn]

Sgtstadanko has it.

I wouldn't have voted for A64 had their not have been a personal grow provision. I feel sorry for the fuckers in WA 'cus nothing really changed for them. A64 isn't perfect and for my money they could have left the entire "industry" out of the picture, but it's a whole lot better than the FORCED purchase situation in WA.

OTOH, I doubt that it would have passed w/o the lure of tax revenue, w/o the slogan of "Legalize it. Regulate it. Tax it like alcohol". That sweetened the deal for a lot of voters & brought in CO venture capitalists, as well.

The next phase, I think, will be a strong reduction in bottom line pricing for consumers. Reading the comments from Hickenlooper & others strongly indicates that the State wants the share of the pie they can tax to increase, even if that means lower revenue per pound. They'll more than make up the difference by taxing more of those pounds. They realize that limiting production & access to sustain prices is impossible, personal growing being what it is. Therefore, they intend to make retail pot attractive to consumers on the basis of convenience, price, quality & selection just like everything else.

When retail pot is bottom line cheaper than med pot, which it easily can be, the vertical integration dispensary model will fade quickly. Why grow it to sell it when you can just buy it cheaper wholesale, avoid all the issues of growing entirely?

Storefront pot shops will be presented with a variety of wholesalers eager for their business, ruthlessly competing with each other to stay afloat. Expect enormous innovation in packaging, marketing & the products themselves, all designed to entice consumers to buy that brand.

Few people have any idea just how inexpensively high quality pot can be produced at an agricultural business scale, particularly in greenhouses.

One of the big problems for legalization is finding a price point that both discourages in state black marketeering while also discouraging the marijuana equivalent of rum running at the same time. I'm not sure that's really possible.

 

[shaggyballs]

OTOH, I doubt that it would have passed w/o the lure of tax revenue, w/o the slogan of "Legalize it. Regulate it. Tax it like alcohol". That sweetened the deal for a lot of voters & brought in CO venture capitalists, as well.

The next phase, I think, will be a strong reduction in bottom line pricing for consumers. Reading the comments from Hickenlooper & others strongly indicates that the State wants the share of the pie they can tax to increase, even if that means lower revenue per pound. They'll more than make up the difference by taxing more of those pounds. They realize that limiting production & access to sustain prices is impossible, personal growing being what it is. Therefore, they intend to make retail pot attractive to consumers on the basis of convenience, price, quality & selection just like everything else.

When retail pot is bottom line cheaper than med pot, which it easily can be, the vertical integration dispensary model will fade quickly. Why grow it to sell it when you can just buy it cheaper wholesale, avoid all the issues of growing entirely?

Storefront pot shops will be presented with a variety of wholesalers eager for their business, ruthlessly competing with each other to stay afloat. Expect enormous innovation in packaging, marketing & the products themselves, all designed to entice consumers to buy that brand.

Few people have any idea just how inexpensively high quality pot can be produced at an agricultural business scale, particularly in greenhouses.

One of the big problems for legalization is finding a price point that both discourages in state black marketeering while also discouraging the marijuana equivalent of rum running at the same time. I'm not sure that's really possible.

Possible?
Sure this is simple!
Let everyone that wants to, grow!
It will be everywhere and it will be cheap as hell.

If it gets as cheap as you once stated, the black market could not survive, big biz could not make a dime too much overhead.
Individuals Pay a growers fee to the govt.
Why is this a impossible idea?

Just try and get it back, once you have given it away!

 

[monsoon]

I'm not sure they can pull it off, jhnnn. As long as the neighboring states retain their "illegality" it will be very hard for CO retailers to lower their prices. Folks trying to buy/take it "home" is already a huge problem for the State/LEO...both in and outside of CO. I'm hearing some wild tales of how folks are being detained/charged/released in some small counties/towns in neighboring states...basically...without a "formal" trial. Seems these counties will let some folks go if they have enough goodies/cash/vehicles to surrender on the spot...

Thankfully we (olders) don't have to play such games (anymore)

be careful out there folks.

 

[monsoon]

Possible?
Sure this is simple!
Let everyone that wants to, grow!
It will be everywhere and it will be cheap as hell.

If it gets as cheap as you once stated, the black market could not survive, big biz could not make a dime too much overhead.
Individuals Pay a growers fee to the govt.
Why is this a impossible idea?

Just try and get it back, once you have given it away!

If it's everywhere and cheap as hell and neither the Black Market or big business can make enough to survive, how will it work out for >anyone< involved to even be profitable enough to pay the "grower's fee"? I'm not following your (wishful) thinking here.

 

[Goatstroker]

I'm not paying any fee to anyone. What I do in MY home is MY business, period.
I will not buy cannabis from the government or anyone else.
If having a harmless personal hobby ends with my government putting me in a cage, then so be it.
I couldn't give a flip if cannabis is legal or illegal, I am an adult and I've made MY decision to grow cannabis for MY use. Everyone else will just have to deal with it (or, apparently, lock me in a cage).

The servant class in the US are pawns in someone else's game no matter which way they vote. Enjoy the game.