Theyre eating my girls and I dont even Know who 'they' are

[billgee]

This started to appear 3 days ago on all my babies (seeds and clones).They start with the smallest leaves though the littlest leaves (especially the grow points) were gone or too small to photograph. I hit them with Pyrethin one night and Azamax the next but somebody continues to eat these sensitive parts. A couple of the plant sent out beautiful pairs of grow points and they were savaged.

Any idea what it could be and what I can do?

 

[Snow Crash]

Cannot see any picture.

If it is actually eating your leafs my bet would be on caterpillars of some kind. BT usually does a good number on many leaf eating insects. Safer Caterpillar Killer is a good one.

Totally guessing w/o pics though.

 

[billgee]

heres the pic I hope
It was attached

 

[billgee]

aint seen caterpillers have seen ugly Waterbugs!
Have used other Safer stuff and like it.
THINK I should throw all the plants out? The growing tips are gone. Theyre 50 day old clones.

 

[billgee]

Cannot see any picture.

BT usually does a good number on many leaf eating insects.

Definitely insects. Only took me 3 days. Damn.
BT?

 

[Weeded1s]

Nooo dont throw em...little grass hoppers can do the same. Hit em with that pyrethrin and azamax in 3 day intervals and stay on it for 2 weeks. Pyrethrin is the bees knees. I bet its 1 of the 2 catapuilar or grasshopper. And keep in mind really small and green so they both blend in. Give the plants a couple shakes and come in right when lights turn on. Give it a try b4 u throw em out.

 

[brandonwalsh420]

bt is Bacillus thuringiensis... its a active ingredient in some pestisides, main ingredient in gnatrol and I believe azamax has some in it too...

 

[NoSocSlic]

You might consider adding in Spinosad, I think. It is great for thrips but should work well on anything chewing on leaves. It has a good reputation for caterpillars as well.

 

[billgee]

Nooo dont throw em...little grass hoppers can do the same. Hit em with that pyrethrin and azamax in 3 day intervals and stay on it for 2 weeks. Pyrethrin is the bees knees. I bet its 1 of the 2 catapuilar or grasshopper. And keep in mind really small and green so they both blend in. Give the plants a couple shakes and come in right when lights turn on. Give it a try b4 u throw em out.

The baby doesnt get tossed with the bath water?Have hit with pyrethin and azamax in 1 day intervals. Pyrethin/ Azamax/ Pyrethin and got so exasperated when my Kush got hit last nite that I hit the room with Ortho Home Defense.

I Will give it all a try. Really like the shake and especially the just before the lites go out ideas.

But wouldnt you call this a great deal of stress? Dont you think all this stress (like someone chewing off your balls) may just screw the pooch later on and affect the harvest.

Problem is I saw the teeny, tiny holes on one plant 3 days ago then 3 plants then 8 (including 3 babies from seed). Then everyone including 2 beloved Kush. Now its spreading to older plants ready to go to flower. It aint in the flower room yet. Its only on 2 but that dont mean it aint on more. I dont even know where they live-soil (coco) I guess.

Should I just kick back and continue the pyrethium/azamax?
Go stronger? Watch and wait?

 

[Weeded1s]

U could also used predators like praying mantis if trying to be completely organic.

 

[billgee]

no thanks.
Organic aint for me

 

[DonCarlos]

This started to appear 3 days ago on all my babies (seeds and clones).They start with the smallest leaves though the littlest leaves (especially the grow points) were gone or too small to photograph. I hit them with Pyrethin one night and Azamax the next but somebody continues to eat these sensitive parts. A couple of the plant sent out beautiful pairs of grow points and they were savaged.

Any idea what it could be and what I can do?

Had the same exact thing happen to me on my current indoor run.

Since it's summer, I put the ladies outside to make use of the ever powerful sun. They got big quick, and looked very healthy. When I brought them inside in mid July, I began to notice holes in the leaves of several ladies. At that point, I went into assault mode. Sprayed azamax every 3 days for 2 weeks and that seemed to do the trick. Also, throughout that process, I put on some nitrile gloves (gotta stay safe) and did thorough inspections of the ladies. I began to find leaves that were curled up and had what looked like small spider webs inside the curled part. FOUND EM! Time to They were a small caterpillar, less than an inch long, and the thickness of pencil lead. Definitely hard to find while they were on their feeding frenzy.

Unfortunately, the damage was already done. Over half of my 72 ladies were severely damaged. Multiple fan leaves on each lady had over 50% of the leaf gone, pure horror my friends. They've recovered for the most part and are healthy now, but I'd guess that the damage from the caterpillars will significantly impact my yield.

Side Note: None of my outdoor ladies have any damage similar to this. My guess is that there are better options (plants) for these caterpillars to feed outside, but once they were in my room w/ no other options, they began their feeding frenzy.

 

[NoSocSlic]

billgee, I think you are right. It does definitely stress the plant. During my bout with thrips a lot of leaves were affected and I plucked all of them. It really stalled my plant out during its stretch. I think the affect it has on yield depends on when it is happening. If you're vegging then I think after you kill off the predators, it should bounce back fine, but if you were 3-5 weeks into flower like me, it will surely lower your yield.

You should really consider the spinosad. I think it would solve the problem and its marketed to be safe for use during veg and flower. Monterey's Garden Insect Spray was the Exact Product. It was right around $20, and I have plenty to last awhile. If there are bugs eating your leaves it should kill them, and caterpillars (leaf miners and thrips) are what it is most effective on.

 

[Wendull C.]

^^^^spinosad.

 

[stoned40yrs]

If you want to know what they are get a magnifying glass and look on top of the coco for bugs laying on their back, legs in the air and red glassy eyes.

 

[billgee]

Still workin on it - INSECTS FOR SURE

Still workin on it - INSECTS FOR SURE

Shaking didnt work
Nor did turning on the lights 10 min after lites out.
Have not yet looked in curled up leafs
Nor have I looked with a microscope but will soon.

I know theyre there
Something or somebody has done some serious damage
A swarm of em.
Every morning I would see the damage spreading though its surely slowed.
Continuing their Pyrethium/azamax diet cause its on hand and doesnt play havoc with leaves that some other crap does

 

[billgee]

look on top of the coco for bugs laying on their back, legs in the air and red glassy eyes.

seemed like a good idea.
Coco in the nose for half hour with 100x magnifier but didnt see any

Theyre still here.
Cant do Pyrethium and Azamax every other day or Id lose it all. Gotta do both every day just to keep the population down.

When people say gotta do these things in the dark. Is that because you dont want liquid on leaves with the lights on or is that because nighttime is when these bastards come out. If its a light on leaf problem it can be done anytime or multiple times by just turning the lights off for a couple of hours til they are dry.

Anybody know?

 

[Weeded1s]

You could try some diamatecous earth on top of pots which is always helpbfull but until we find out what we r were fighting were just shooting in the DARK hahah

 

[NoSocSlic]

seemed like a good idea.

When people say gotta do these things in the dark. Is that because you dont want liquid on leaves with the lights on or is that because nighttime is when these bastards come out. If its a light on leaf problem it can be done anytime or multiple times by just turning the lights off for a couple of hours til they are dry.

Anybody know?

In general, many insecticides are photodegradable , so it is better to spray at night. It seems to be when a lot of the feeding occurs, but it is more because it gives the chemicals time to work before being broken down by light.

 

[Wendull C.]

It is because most sprays are phytotoxic and will damage your plants.