refrigerant recovery machines poison? wtf?

[Red Bear]

this guy ( http://www.xtractix.com/refrigerant-recovery-machines-are-poisoning-the-cannabis-industry/ ) is trying to sell something similar to a tamisi using scare tactics against refrigerant recovery machines, namely appion etc...

well I use an appion and have seen cannabis oil at the connections to the machine and at my filter so if cannabis oil is getting in, is this guy right?

"While some extraction machine manufacturers have taken steps to create a system where the butane/propane only contacts food safe materials such as stainless steel, they seem to have overlooked the fact that the internal tubing of the refrigerant recovery machines are made from copper, brass and aluminum. Copper, when exposed to oxygen and moisture, creates copper oxide and copper carbonate, these are a black and green corrosions of copper which when smoked leads to a condition called Metal Fume Fever, symptoms of which include fever, chills, nausea, headache, fatigue, muscle aches, shortness of breath, chest pain, shock, collapse and or convulsions. When copper, brass and aluminum and are exposed to water, oxygen and acidic environments they produce sulfides and oxides which are being washed down into the extracted oils, and then smoked by consumers."

Gray Wolf what do you think I run an mkIII and have actually not had as good of product compared to my glass tubes. maybe the pressure in the column is scorching my herb?

any way Iam considering shelving the appion and mkIII for my old glass tubes.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Yes he's trying to sell a system, and yes he is right. Only a few recovery units are rated for flammable hydrocarbon. With appion coming out with the warning and stating why it is unsafe with their units, I would imagine it's only a matter of time before people start dropping the standard recovery pumps. Passive recovery is super easy. I don't know about you, but I don't need to peel a muffin out of the collection pot... I'm down to pour and scrape.

 

[Red Bear]

thanks tickle iam just gonna run a smaller column Was runnin a 3" x 36" with a 6" x 12" collection pot... what size do you run? how long does it take? iwas stopping at +1psi or 0 and pouring anyway. thanks

 

[Red Bear]

i mean i am gonna un a smaller column and go passive. just dont want to use heat. any How to advice using no heat just dry ice?
thanks

 

[HUGE]

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[TickleMyBalls]

I'm just getting into my first closed loop set up. Trying to decide which to go with. Talked to all of the companies at the last few high times cups to see who knows their stuff and who is just cranking out metal for quick $. Right now I'm thinking the 1/2 lb colum set up from terpp is the winner.

As far as recovery time passively, I've seen people recover like 98% of their tane in a 1 lb colum. Not sure the dimensions, but they were able to do it in about 30-40 minutes. I think that was with 4 lbs of tane.

 

[flatslabs]

As far as recovery time passively, I've seen people recover like 98% of their tane in a 1 lb colum. Not sure the dimensions, but they were able to do it in about 30-40 minutes. I think that was with 4 lbs of tane.

A friend has a mkiii he runs passively with 2lbs of tane in a top down drip. 1.5" x 24" column on occasion.

Takes about an hour to recover the butane with salt / ice water mix on the recovery tank and 95 degree water soak on the collection pot. Loses about an oz in weight of butane for every 3 recoveries.

 

[Red Bear]

Well thanks guys. Anyone want and Appion , LOL.
With the appion I was able to recover about 8 pounds of butane with three flushes in about an hour and a half without the appion I imagine I can only do one flush and hopefully it'll be more golden that's what I'm after...
also is it warmer inside the vessel under vacuum?
would 95° water be too hot for the collection pot?

 

[Rickys bong]

This individual who put this crap on his website is not only trying to scare people, he's outright lying.
Mr. Xtractix rips off the Tamisium design, makes it a bit bigger and then spews a metric crapton of outright bullshit trying to promote his product.
Appion issued that notice to cover their ass since closed loop extraction are still very illegal in the federal sense.

This moron posts crap like this: "These pistons were made from a combination of lead and aluminum and covered with plasma coated chromium."

Utter fucking garbage.

"no explosion hazard" he says.

....what about the massive sight glass on your flagship unit? No safety shield, and if it shatters the whole charge of butane will be vented at once.

Then he states it's manufactured in a FDA level 3 cleanroom. Strange there's no pictures of this on his website.

Unfortunately fools like this get too much attention, and won't try to defend their delusional claims in a public forum.

/rant over, need another drink...

RB

 

[Gray Wolf]

this guy ( http://www.xtractix.com/refrigerant-recovery-machines-are-poisoning-the-cannabis-industry/ ) is trying to sell something similar to a tamisi using scare tactics against refrigerant recovery machines, namely appion etc...

well I use an appion and have seen cannabis oil at the connections to the machine and at my filter so if cannabis oil is getting in, is this guy right?

"While some extraction machine manufacturers have taken steps to create a system where the butane/propane only contacts food safe materials such as stainless steel, they seem to have overlooked the fact that the internal tubing of the refrigerant recovery machines are made from copper, brass and aluminum. Copper, when exposed to oxygen and moisture, creates copper oxide and copper carbonate, these are a black and green corrosions of copper which when smoked leads to a condition called Metal Fume Fever, symptoms of which include fever, chills, nausea, headache, fatigue, muscle aches, shortness of breath, chest pain, shock, collapse and or convulsions. When copper, brass and aluminum and are exposed to water, oxygen and acidic environments they produce sulfides and oxides which are being washed down into the extracted oils, and then smoked by consumers."

Gray Wolf what do you think I run an mkIII and have actually not had as good of product compared to my glass tubes. maybe the pressure in the column is scorching my herb?

any way Iam considering shelving the appion and mkIII for my old glass tubes.

For starters, as RB has pointed out, the post was rife with "factoids" that are so grossly untrue, that they should be embarrassing to the author.

They are either so ignorant on the subject that they don't understand what they are passing on, or they have a secondary agenda for creating them themselves.

Anyone can say anything, and many do, when they have ulterior motives. What do they gain if their outlandish story is accepted as gospel?

Anyone can either listen to them and follow blindly, or reject their untruths and firmly establish what their future input is worth.

Just as anyone is also free to throw away their ray gun and take up the spear again, the same is true of closed loop extractors and glass tubes.

Our Terpenator products are not only equal to our open tube products, we can make things not possible with an open tube.

If you aren't sharing our experience, I suggest we discuss product and process techniques.

Blasting with an open tube also brings up the question of what is being done about the mystery oil? We remove ours from our 99.99% purity starting butane before using it for extraction.

 

[Chonkski]

This thing just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

Friggin xtractix

 

[Red Bear]

Whew, I sure feel like an idiot now.
Graywolf and Ricky's bong thanks a lot for setting me straight I just needed somebody to tell me that I wasn't crazy.
I guess I'm either burning it or there some kind of crap in there but I could use some help figuring it out.
I just got a text from a friend that was a link to that site. Like I said seemed like scare tactics marketing.
I've been trying to figure out why my product is changed so much going from open run to closed loop, I wonder if it could possibly be the 99.9% instrument grade n tane that I got from Ecogreen or maybe it's just me and three flushes is too many still trying to learn. product has been dark taffy like and sticky where before with glass tubes I was able to make stable golden shatter using Newport butane.
Same starting material, only thing I can think of is I'm either flushing (3 times bottom up) too much, getting my pressure too high in my column up to 50psi usually just 30psi,or I'm getting my collection pot too hot, which I only get about 100F maybe that's it.
But people also say they can taste the end pain which I don't know what they mean by that I did get it from eco-Green and it has come out a different product they say they can taste it I hope it's not any kind of oil or grease or anything I cleaned all my valves with Everclear and I've done about 10 large runs through it and it still the same and product so I'm kind of wondering if I need to try can tapping and if I do so can I mix different brands of butane?
can you mix some clipper and some Newport and some whip it using mostly clipper because of all the isobutane and adding some Newport and or whip it butane for the propane and butane?
Graywolf thanks a lot for your comparison of the ray gun to a spear for now I guess the spear will stay in the garage and I will try to figure out how do I operate my ray gun more efficiently

 

[Red Bear]

Sorry for my bad typing and weak forum knowledge.
I wanted to say that I meant in my post above, that people say they can taste the N tane, Not the "end pain", geez, wow, lol... As compared to my Newport stuff.
all vac purged in a 5 gallon chamber the same way. I heat the bottom with a heat gun or griddle to muffin, then set on a seed mat for a day or so under vac, gee sounds weak now reading it I need a vac oven...

 

[Gray Wolf]

Whew, I sure feel like an idiot now.
Graywolf and Ricky's bong thanks a lot for setting me straight I just needed somebody to tell me that I wasn't crazy.
I guess I'm either burning it or there some kind of crap in there but I could use some help figuring it out.
I just got a text from a friend that was a link to that site. Like I said seemed like scare tactics marketing.
I've been trying to figure out why my product is changed so much going from open run to closed loop, I wonder if it could possibly be the 99.9% instrument grade n tane that I got from Ecogreen or maybe it's just me and three flushes is too many still trying to learn. product has been dark taffy like and sticky where before with glass tubes I was able to make stable golden shatter using Newport butane.
Same starting material, only thing I can think of is I'm either flushing (3 times bottom up) too much, getting my pressure too high in my column up to 50psi usually just 30psi,or I'm getting my collection pot too hot, which I only get about 100F maybe that's it.
But people also say they can taste the end pain which I don't know what they mean by that I did get it from eco-Green and it has come out a different product they say they can taste it I hope it's not any kind of oil or grease or anything I cleaned all my valves with Everclear and I've done about 10 large runs through it and it still the same and product so I'm kind of wondering if I need to try can tapping and if I do so can I mix different brands of butane?
can you mix some clipper and some Newport and some whip it using mostly clipper because of all the isobutane and adding some Newport and or whip it butane for the propane and butane?
Graywolf thanks a lot for your comparison of the ray gun to a spear for now I guess the spear will stay in the garage and I will try to figure out how do I operate my ray gun more efficiently

Two points that may help.

Do a vacuum distillation of the Ecogreen R-600 butane before using it, to take out the longer chain residual aka MO. They are what leave behind a butyl taste and smell and some of the residuals detected by GC/MS have a fishy odor.

The second point is that lighter butane is normally a mixture of n-Butane, Isobutane, and Propane, where R-600 is just n-Butane to 99.99%. They will extract and purge differently.

You can load some R-290 (Propane) or R-600A (Isobutane) into the same tank at different proportions if you wish to duplicate your prior experiences.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Sorry for my bad typing and weak forum knowledge.
I wanted to say that I meant in my post above, that people say they can taste the N tane, Not the "end pain", geez, wow, lol... As compared to my Newport stuff.
all vac purged in a 5 gallon chamber the same way. I heat the bottom with a heat gun or griddle to muffin, then set on a seed mat for a day or so under vac, gee sounds weak now reading it I need a vac oven...

Nothing you can do in a vacuum oven that you can't duplicate in a properly equipped vacuum chamber. What is required is the right temperature, vacuum level, film thickness, time, and technique.

Technique includes being able to see what is going on, so as to react to changes as they occur, which will be different for each patty.

What a standard vacuum oven offers, is ease of operation and some offer more exotic ancillary instrumentation, cold trapping, chemical rated pumps, etc, at added cost, but any number of brothers and sisters produce artisian Grand Cru quality concentrates, using a simple vacuum chamber with good control of the heat and vacuum levels.

 

[Permacultuure]

Then why did you feel the terpp was the best option? Sounds like your preference is passive? Is terpp making passive machines?

And yeah that dude xtraxix blowing smoke for sure