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should i freeze buds with rh of 60-65 for bho?

spaceboy

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Whats up IC....I'm about to do a nug run but the humidity has been so high that buds arent really drying more than about 60-65% rh. I dont really want to sacrifice terps with a dehydrato, but dont wanna sacrifice color either. Being that these buds are not fresh, but not really dry either, would it still be a good idea to freeze them? I dont see why not, but i just finally got a real setup and want to make the best oil i can.
 
HighStateToke

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You can also boil off moisture under a hard vacuum.

Ideally, when making bho, you want as little moisture as possible to prevent ice from fully encapsulating the trichrome head and preventing extraction.
 
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My understanding is that for BHO you need it with little to no moisture at all or else it clogs the tubes which can lead to explosions
 
Hashmasta-Kut

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from my understanding is a statement that means you are unsure, and therefore arent really qualified to answer the question.

you can have a fair bit of moisture in your tube with no problems. unadvisable is running fresh cut fully wet material without doing it fully frozen.
 
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Hashmasta-Kut said:
from my understanding is a statement that means you are unsure, and therefore arent really qualified to answer the question.

you can have a fair bit of moisture in your tube with no problems. unadvisable is running fresh cut fully wet material without doing it fully frozen.
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I am just going off what the guy who runs my trim for me has told me.

I have never made BHO myself, and only had 1 person make it for me, and thus I have limited knowledge on it.

I just thought I would voice what I had heard as safety is of paramount importance when dealing with hazardous substances such as butane, just in case no other more experienced people chimed in so the OP wouldn't theoretically make a possible mistake.

No need to be a dick about it though.
 
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Room humidity and moisture content of the buds are different things. If you're at 65% humidity that doesn't mean your buds are 65% moisture content.

Ideally, in my opinion for a typical extraction you want no water content but that's near impossible. I like to dry / cure as usual and then break up the material and put into a 50% RH environment for at least 12 hours. Then freeze before extraction. I free before extraction because I don't dewax, freezing helps keep wax's lipids, and "butane" impurities out. After it gets 12 hours in a room with 40-50% rh there's very little moisture content. If you take the material and let it sit out in 70%rh for too long it will build moisture again. I go right from the 40-50% rh to the tube to the freezer so no extra moisture builds in the material.

Make sure everything is bone dry, all stems snap, ect.

ALL of this said, if the material is dried properly and has been sitting in a room with 65% rh then it will be fine to run, freezing it should prevent any water content from gathering but again, I absolutely find reason to further dry material after the initial dry/cure in a room with low RH.
 
Lono

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NEGT1 said:
Room humidity and moisture content of the buds are different things. If you're at 65% humidity that doesn't mean your buds are 65% moisture content.

Ideally, in my opinion for a typical extraction you want no water content but that's near impossible. I like to dry / cure as usual and then break up the material and put into a 50% RH environment for at least 12 hours. Then freeze before extraction. I free before extraction because I don't dewax, freezing helps keep wax's lipids, and "butane" impurities out. After it gets 12 hours in a room with 40-50% rh there's very little moisture content. If you take the material and let it sit out in 70%rh for too long it will build moisture again. I go right from the 40-50% rh to the tube to the freezer so no extra moisture builds in the material.

Make sure everything is bone dry, all stems snap, ect.

ALL of this said, if the material is dried properly and has been sitting in a room with 65% rh then it will be fine to run, freezing it should prevent any water content from gathering but again, I absolutely find reason to further dry material after the initial dry/cure in a room with low RH.
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I also throw mine in the freezer in a tupperware/vac sealed bag after I dehydrate it just to be safe.

Anybody have any opinions on flash freezing for making live nectar/resin?
 
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Lono said:
I also throw mine in the freezer in a tupperware/vac sealed bag after I dehydrate it just to be safe.

Anybody have any opinions on flash freezing for making live nectar/resin?
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I have to imagine someone has tried it. Definitely worth a shot if it isn't published.

I've messed around several times with fresh frozen butane extract, but not flash froze. I think flash freezing would benefit flowers if you're freezing them for long term storage or long term freeze cure like they do with fish / sushi. Some strains produce out of this world fresh frozen bho, but to me, it's never really worth it. I don't like dealing with moisture in the extract in any way, I don't like the loss in yield and most of the time I simply prefer the cured extracted material over fresh frozen.
 
Gray Wolf

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We freeze material straight off the plant and at high relative humidity, with good results. The yield is lower per unit of weight, because of the weight of the water, but the product is pristine.
 
Lono

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Gray Wolf said:
We freeze material straight off the plant and at high relative humidity, with good results. The yield is lower per unit of weight, because of the weight of the water, but the product is pristine.
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Freeze in a regular freezer, deep freezer, dry ice?

I feel like I've asked you this before, how do you store your material when you freeze it fresh?
 
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Grey Wolf, by any chance have you been able to test and compare results of fresh frozen v dry cured? I apologize I don't want to step on any toes I just don't have access to any of that and would love to know more in terms of lab results.
 
Gray Wolf

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Lono said:
Freeze in a regular freezer, deep freezer, dry ice?

I feel like I've asked you this before, how do you store your material when you freeze it fresh?
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We pack it into the tubes and seal them, before placing them in a -4F chest freezer.

That limits the amount of atmosphere present, to ice over the trichomes in the tubes, and the freezer's rh will be zero, so no additional moisture to worry about there.
 
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