I'm running 9 PCK from seed. In week 2 of veg now. Does anyone have any info on this strain from Rootseller? Bought them at CAM in Denver.
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It looks as though their PCK is just a direct ripoff of Ace/CBG Paki Chitral Kush.
Nice, I bet Charlie Garcia would love it. It looks like another bunch of crooks making profit on his works... the bandwagon of banks selling PCKs grows every year! Must be one of the most ripped strain ever in pure form.
I hope you don't mind me posting this pic from your gallery but everyone should know and watch this:
Sad thing is that people don't take some time to get properly informed on what they pay for and they buy them from anyone except from the real creators of the strain, who should be the only ones supported and selling them in pure form. I understand why CBG stopped breeding because of the lack of seed sells and crap with all the seed companies using their works illegitimately.
Bad vibes for Rootseller Seeds. Not only they are selling 12 different crosses with the same PCK male and a bunch of elites but also PCK in pure form, what a shame! I hope people will spread this so nobody will buy again from them.
PS: Anyway for more info om the strain you are growing, you should check their PCK thread, they have their own forum at the IC: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=210685
I hope you don't mind me posting this pic from your gallery but everyone should know and watch this:
Sad thing is that people don't take some time to get properly informed on what they pay for and they buy them from anyone except from the real creators of the strain, who should be the only ones supported and selling them in pure form. I understand why CBG stopped breeding because of the lack of seed sells and crap with all the seed companies using their works illegitimately.
Bad vibes for Rootseller Seeds. Not only they are selling 12 different crosses with the same PCK male and a bunch of elites but also PCK in pure form, what a shame! I hope people will spread this so nobody will buy again from them.
PS: Anyway for more info om the strain you are growing, you should check their PCK thread, they have their own forum at the IC: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=210685
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Direct rip offs of currently available strains is straight scumbaggery.
I don't mind you pulling the picture. Thank you for the info. I had never heard of them before I walked in to CAM. The only reason I bought them was out of convenience. I was in Denver on the 4th of July. They were the only ones open that sold seeds. I'll have to read through Charlie Garcia's thread. Hopefully I can find something good out of all those seeds.
Also did they mean f2 instead of p2?
If I'm right and as far as I remember, Mendel proposed all this terminology:
P1= first parental generation.
P2= second parental generation.
F1= first filial generation.
F2= second filial generation.
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P1 x P1 = F1, although many authors use P1 and P2 for each parental individual: P1 X P2 = F1.
When you cross-pollinate two different P plants from different races or subspecies, you get a F1 hybrid. When you self-pollinate F1 specimens you get F2 and so on.
So I guess you can't really use F2 because it's a reproduction (later generation offspring) between plants of the same pure line, not an hybrid. If they were selfed hybrids instead of P1 plants, then they would be indeed F2 or whatever Fn seeds depending on the generation, right?
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In the medical growers bible under the breeding section phenotypes P1(pink pistils) p2(white pistils). Could that have anything to do with it?
looks as though those are just examples.
bboybungus
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My understanding: P2 = GRANDPARENTS, P1 = PARENTS, F1 = KIDS, F2 = GRANDKIDS...
I think he must've meant F2.
I think he must've meant F2.
Well if it is indeed a PCK rip off then it is probably just a bogus tag slapped on the seeds to make them look like something original to them.
Ace/CBG PCK is an inbred line that had been inbred in Spain for more than 10 years and they were subject to open pollination's throughout so they sure as hell don't have the original parents of the line, so the "P" tag wouldn't carry any weight.
P1 is just another tag for Parent, like P1 = strain A (P1) x strain B (P1) = F1
No tag they could put on these seeds would make any sense because only Charlie Garcia would know what generation these seeds actually were. I wouldn't get too hung up on the marketing.
Ace/CBG PCK is an inbred line that had been inbred in Spain for more than 10 years and they were subject to open pollination's throughout so they sure as hell don't have the original parents of the line, so the "P" tag wouldn't carry any weight.
P1 is just another tag for Parent, like P1 = strain A (P1) x strain B (P1) = F1
No tag they could put on these seeds would make any sense because only Charlie Garcia would know what generation these seeds actually were. I wouldn't get too hung up on the marketing.
Well I guess if a breeder spends a number of years working with a strain, is not cool getting a few beans, making seeds with them and starting selling them from the scratch and even using the same name... right? Can you imagine that a scientist releases an essay after years of research and I just make some copies and start selling them online? It's just making profit from other's work and the copyright laws allow to punish that in other fields.
Ok, now tell me that you just plan to make some nice crosses with those genetics on your own (always giving credit to the original creators, just like scientists when they quote other researchers in their own papers or musicians when they use samples for their own stuff) and spend some years developing a nice hybrid with them. Cool, but unfortunately this is not what most wannabe-breeders do. They just go straight to the maximum profit at minimum effort, they do what anyone could do at home. Easier than stealing candy from a baby.
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Its not ok to sell seeds of another breeders work in pure form without breeder consent, at least in my book.
Crosses are ok
Direct ripoff is just what HIH said, straight scumbagry.
Crosses are ok
Direct ripoff is just what HIH said, straight scumbagry.
It's ok to breed with anything, cannabis is kind of an open source project in that regard. But I think most people would think it's ethically wrong to just blatantly copy and sell someone else's work that is currently available atevery seedbank.
In this fringe industry that is illegal pretty much everywhere there is not much repercussion a person can take towards copycats and knockoff artists, but in any other industry if you copy a copyrighted item you most likely get slapped with a cease and desist letter or law suit.
IMO making F2's for personal collections, or to trade with friends or making and selling F2's of strains no longer available is a little different. In this case these guys are just taking money right out of the original breeders pocket.
Redbeardthewook
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By they are also for purchase in a legal state, for people that don't want to break the law by ordering seeds into the US
no, that is referring to Dominant and Recessive alleles... in that scenario, P or p stands for pistils
oh yeah, and fuck these guys... just some more whack a hack bullshit.
I can't wait for the curtain to be pulled on a bunch of these jokers!
Looking around the web: P2 are the grandparents to F1, or the parentals of P1.
Only other example I came up with was what Mustafunk said about P1(mom) x P2(dad).
But in reality P1 x P2 would be like saying, using color:
P2red x P2white = P1pink - same as F1?
P1pink x P2(red OR white) = rouge OR light pink. respectively.
And what do we usually call a 1st generation offspring mated to one of its parents? Which we denote as..?
About as confusing as calling an S1 an F2 since the purpose of making S1 is to get a plant like the one that was selfed and not a broad spectrum of plants like when making F2s.
Any mediums here who would like to contact Mendel and get his take on it?
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However all that malarkey works out, they must have meant F2. Which goes to show that they don't have a clue.
Only other example I came up with was what Mustafunk said about P1(mom) x P2(dad).
But in reality P1 x P2 would be like saying, using color:
P2red x P2white = P1pink - same as F1?
P1pink x P2(red OR white) = rouge OR light pink. respectively.
And what do we usually call a 1st generation offspring mated to one of its parents? Which we denote as..?
About as confusing as calling an S1 an F2 since the purpose of making S1 is to get a plant like the one that was selfed and not a broad spectrum of plants like when making F2s.
Any mediums here who would like to contact Mendel and get his take on it?
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However all that malarkey works out, they must have meant F2. Which goes to show that they don't have a clue.
