Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else

[budtang]

The only bust here in all the time I've been here (30 years) that had any Fed involvement was a 225 plant count bust in about 95.

Well, fuck me. If you haven't heard of another bust then I'm sure there wasn't one. I mean the police would never bust someone without informing good old monsoon about it.

You really need to drop this "I'm a local insider" routine. It's getting really old. You're just another random stoner in Colorado. Stop pretending like you know what's going on. I mean fuck. Do you really think people haven't heard about Colorado dispensaries getting raided by the Feds for cartel involvement?

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...rado-marijuana-businesses-seek-ties-colombian


What a fucking poser. "I've never heard of another bust in Colorado involving the Feds in 30 years."

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't want that. I'm saying that would be more effective at accomplishing the goal of a "6 plant regulation."



You casually say,"Oh, my."

However, one solution to the "problem" the Feds see could/would be to eliminate "6 plant regulation" altogether. Since, there is no tax system in place. It would be a better idea to preserve that "6 plant system" by installing a registration system for residential growers to sign up and volunteer to pay taxes.

You know? That way the Feds don't even consider abolishing "6 plant limits." I just don't see any other possible outcome other than the Feds targeting home growing if there is no voluntary tax system in place for residential growers.

You keep holding on to this delusion that Colorado voters are God.... immune to federal intervention in your system. You need to wake up and see what's coming. Stop obsessing over what is currently happening. There don't need to be "door to door" inspections on growers bank accounts. The IRS doesn't need to go "door to door" to investigate a potential illegal grower. The future in Colorado is massive IRS audits of illegal growers. They don't need to raid your grow to get you. They just need to raid your bank accounts.

Chicken Little, again. How quaint. The Feds aren't going anywhere near small CO growers who don't deal. Which is, of course, what you want to do, sling weed under the cover of personal "medical" growing. Sell some to dispensaries, the rest under the table at better margin. Well, just to your "friends", aka business associates. Same as it ever was in CA.

Trying to suppress personal growing in CO is impossible w/o local help. Trying to find a CO jury that would convict anybody who's 100% State compliant isn't a task the Feds want to take on, either.

IRS? Doesn't matter if you're not dealing. Oh wait- that's your whole point, right?

Nor can they change the State Constitution that specifically allows for personal growing. We're actually much better off with plant counts than sq ft restrictions, anyway. If it's sq ft & they smell your grow, well, they can obtain a warrant to see if you're compliant. With plant counts, they can't. With sq ft, they can turn chickenshit, bust people if it's a teensy bit too big. With plant counts, they can't. Everybody knows how to count. Remember how I offered that A64 was written by cannabiphiles? It was. That's why it's plant counts. In that, we did kinda get over on the voters, I think.

Oh, my! Imagine that!

Well, that only applies if your goal is to get over, make money from what is supposed to be strictly personal stash. If you just want to grow your own, you got it. It's part & parcel of the negotiated settlement ending the marijuana war in CO.

Your war, the war to get budtang on the gravy train? Not part of the peace arrangement.

Oh, yeh, and we should all have to sign up to be legal, cuz that would be better than being totally anonymous. Uhh, err, gimme a sec.... What planet is this, anyway?

 

[budtang]

Chicken Little, again. How quaint. The Feds aren't going anywhere near small CO growers who don't deal.

Not yet.

Trying to suppress personal growing in CO is impossible w/o local help. Trying to find a CO jury that would convict anybody who's 100% State compliant isn't a task the Feds want to take on, either.

Not necessarily. If you force the installation of smart meters under the justification of controlling dangerously overloaded energy grids in Colorado it would be easy to enforce. Each resident would only be allotted a certain amount of electrical use.

IRS? Doesn't matter if you're not dealing.

And, if you are dealing it's right back to the gold old prohibition days in the eyes the glorious Colorado "legalization system."

"Grow weed for money. Go to jail. It's the Colorado way. This is legalization. Like it, or you are an asshole. We are solving nothing and are great for it. Love us, worship us, but don't criticize us for preserving the most significant problems surrounding prohibition."

 

[budtang]

Let's review

Pre-prohibition: Grow weed for money. Go to jail.

Post-prohibition: Grow weed for money. Go to jail.

Thanks guys!

 

[monsoon]

Colorado Gov't says "Step up to play, little man closet grower...be a BIG BOY now."

budtang says "Can I still be a child, but voluntarily, when it is convenient for ME, become an adult?"

Another choice:

"Grow weed for money, Don't be stupid like budtang. Don't go to jail."

Just because you were stupid enough to get caught doesn't mean everyone else will.

in the end, this is a forum of growers...most of whom ARE growing illegally and are paying no taxes. Your ongoing doomsday crap without merit is an insult to all growers here...folks with brains who do what they can to make their way wherever they are.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not yet.

Yeh, I'm scared shitless.

Not necessarily. If you force the installation of smart meters under the justification of controlling dangerously overloaded energy grids in Colorado it would be easy to enforce. Each resident would only be allotted a certain amount of electrical use.

Desperate & fanciful fear mongering.

And, if you are dealing it's right back to the gold old prohibition days in the eyes the glorious Colorado "legalization system."

"Grow weed for money. Go to jail. It's the Colorado way. This is legalization. Like it, or you are an asshole. We are solving nothing and are great for it. Love us, worship us, but don't criticize us for preserving the most significant problems surrounding prohibition."

Forget growing weed for money & it's great. That's the whole point.

 

[Jhhnn]

Let's review

Pre-prohibition: Grow weed for money. Go to jail.

Post-prohibition: Grow weed for money. Go to jail.

Thanks guys!

Too bad we couldn't help you out. Tears in my eyes as big as horseturds, I'm tellin' ya. Honest. Just for you.

And, uhh, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, you hear?

 

[budtang]

Colorado Gov't says "Step up to play, little man closet grower...be a BIG BOY now."

So, don't grow a little good weed for a money? Grow a lot of shitty weed for money?

Am I the only one this shit makes no sense to? There's no logic to any of it. Unless.... you own a corporation. Then, there is plenty of logic to it. lulz

 

[budtang]

Too bad we couldn't help you out.

Too bad I'm going to make more money with your regulations than I would with mine.

Thanks, Jhhnn! You're increasing my profits with your regulations. It's all win/win for me.

 

[Jhhnn]

Too bad I'm going to make more money with your regulations than I would with mine.

Thanks, Jhhnn! You're increasing my profits with your regulations. It's all win/win for me.

Assuming current prices can hold, which they won't except in a supply constrained market, like CA. They dump excess production off into other states to hold prices up, because they can get away with it. CO retail growers can't do that, having a microscope up their ass at all times.

Might want to double check the various extended vacation & retirement options, as well. Canon City is nice in the winter, owing to a warm micro climate. I doubt you'd have many visitors.

 

[Seaf0ur]

So, don't grow a little good weed for a money? Grow a lot of shitty weed for money?

Am I the only one this shit makes no sense to? There's no logic to any of it. Unless.... you own a corporation. Then, there is plenty of logic to it. lulz

You really need to break your vicious cycle of stupidity. Nobody can do it for you. You have to be proactive and do it yourself.

Too bad I'm going to make more money with your regulations than I would with mine.

Thanks, Jhhnn! You're increasing my profits with your regulations. It's all win/win for me.

So if everything's coming up Milhouse... what's with all the whining?

 

[monsoon]

So, don't grow a little good weed for a money? Grow a lot of shitty weed for money?

LOL. Or maybe start with "Grow ANY weed whatsoever and miraculously not be stupid and get caught again"?

 

[budtang]

This statement:

Assuming current prices can hold, which they won't except in a supply constrained market, like CA.

Is contradicted by this statement:

They dump excess production off into other states

So, California is "supply constrained." Yet, they "dump excess production off into other states."

You can' t have "excess production" if you're "supply constrained."

CO retail growers can't do that, having a microscope up their ass at all times.

I know people buying pounds illegally from Colorado dispensary owners. So, everything you're saying here is total bullshit. Anything on the menu is available to me in my illegal state. I can get edibles in professional sealed packaging from Colorado dispensaries.

Might want to double check the various extended vacation & retirement options, as well. Canon City is nice in the winter, owing to a warm micro climate. I doubt you'd have many visitors.

I have no intention of moving to a second rate weed state like Colorado. Why would I want to move to a state full of shitty commercial weed growers? There is no point.

Serious growers go to California.

 

[Jhhnn]

This statement:

Is contradicted by this statement:

So, California is "supply constrained." Yet, they "dump excess production off into other states."

You can' t have "excess production" if you're "supply constrained."

The national weed market is supply constrained. The way it works in CA black market growers sell to the national market. Well, at least the bigger & better connected ones do. They cover it under the guise of "Medical". CA weed is a huge part of the national market, has been for decades.

Imagine if no weed could leave CA until after it went clear through the dispensary game to the consumer. That's the position of CO retail growers.

I know people buying pounds illegally from Colorado dispensary owners. So, everything you're saying here is total bullshit. Anything on the menu is available to me in my illegal state. I can get edibles in professional sealed packaging from Colorado dispensaries.

I have no intention of moving to a second rate weed state like Colorado. Why would I want to move to a state full of shitty commercial weed growers? There is no point.

Serious growers go to California.

You assert that you know people who buy pounds from dispensary owners, which, of course, you can't possibly prove. And if you're well connected, I'm sure you can buy CO products sold legally through dispensaries & hand carried by smugglers to your location. At a substantial markup, obviously. It's not like people will come to pay homage to the mighty budtang, leave offerings on the altar of toe fungus OG.

 

[Jhhnn]

LOL. Or maybe start with "Grow ANY weed whatsoever and miraculously not be stupid and get caught again"?

Cops & prosecutors have a special fondness for guys with priors, guys who don't learn. It's obvious from the giant hard-on. It's like one of those porn clips where you didn't think anybody's dick could be that big, but it is. Yowsers!

 

[budtang]

The national weed market is supply constrained. The way it works in CA black market growers sell to the national market. Well, at least the bigger & better connected ones do. They cover it under the guise of "Medical". CA weed is a huge part of the national market, has been for decades.

Imagine if no weed could leave CA until after it went clear through the dispensary game to the consumer. That's the position of CO retail growers.

That's their position on paper. In reality, these dispensaries are selling shit under the table like crazy.

You assert that you know people who buy pounds from dispensary owners, which, of course, you can't possibly prove.

Nor would I want to prove that out of respect for the safety of the owner. Even if I could.

I could link to the criaglist add of one of my friends buying shit under the table from these owners and flipping it on Craigslist. We prank called him a week ago just to mess with him and see what he was like when we called. It was pretty funny. He was like,"How can medicate you?" lulz

That's one of the dumb things about the Colorado system. Red Card holders are just buying the product at reduced medical rates legally from dispensaries and selling it under the table for more money. These dispensaries are not only losing business to black market growers, but in many cases they're losing it to a product that they sold out of their very own dispensary.

That's part of the stupidity of the Colorado system. That scenario can't happen in California. Where there is only one pricing system. Not 2 pricing tiers that can be exploited.

And if you're well connected, I'm sure you can buy CO products sold legally through dispensaries & hand carried by smugglers to your location. At a substantial markup, obviously.

That's part of the way I know it's being purchased under the table. I'm pretty much paying Colorado retail prices for weed in an illegal state. The only way that scenario makes sense is if the suppliers are purchasing the product under the table from the dispensary owners in quantity at a reduced price. These guys aren't making road trips to Colorado once a week to only buy a qtr. of weed a day. They're pretty much saying,"Go look at this dispensary's menu and place an order for what you want. We'll pick it up and bring it back."

I pay $175 to $250 an ounce for ALL Colorado weed. The only weed in my state that goes over $300/oz is California top shelf. In both cases, it's being purchased under the table from dispensaries in both states.

Nobody is playing by the rules in Cali and CO.

 

[Jhhnn]

That's their position on paper. In reality, these dispensaries are selling shit under the table like crazy.






Nor would I want to prove that out of respect for the safety of the owner. Even if I could.

I could link to the criaglist add of one of my friends buying shit under the table from these owners and flipping it on Craigslist. We prank called him a week ago just to mess with him and see what he was like when we called. It was pretty funny. He was like,"How can medicate you?" lulz

That's one of the dumb things about the Colorado system. Red Card holders are just buying the product at reduced medical rates legally from dispensaries and selling it under the table for more money. These dispensaries are not only losing business to black market growers, but in many cases they're losing it to a product that they sold out of their very own dispensary.

That's part of the stupidity of the Colorado system. That scenario can't happen in California. Where there is only one pricing system. Not 2 pricing tiers that can be exploited.






That's part of the way I know it's being purchased under the table. I'm pretty much paying Colorado retail prices for weed in an illegal state. The only way that scenario makes sense is if the suppliers are purchasing the product under the table from the dispensary owners in quantity at a reduced price. These guys aren't making road trips to Colorado once a week to only buy a qtr. of weed a day. They're pretty much saying,"Go look at this dispensary's menu and place an order for what you want. We'll pick it up and bring it back."

I pay $175 to $250 an ounce for ALL Colorado weed. The only weed in my state that goes over $300/oz is California top shelf. In both cases, it's being purchased under the table from dispensaries in both states.

Nobody is playing by the rules in Cali and CO.

And we circle around to mere assertion as fact.

 

[monsoon]

I'm not as convinced as Jhnnn that weed isn't circumventing the MMED's watchful eyes.
They SURE DIDN'T keep track of the medical side of thing as they were supposed to. How could they when they laid off 3/4 of their workforce soon after inception?

But hey...so what? Some people are ballin it and slingin weight out the door. Just like it would be if they allowed some sort of residential sales and let all of the experts like budtang move here to play "expert residential grower" and fill the shelves with all of that "top shelf". Pot growers are ALL so honest. Who needs regulation?

There will always be those who will play the system...much like you are planning to play the system in Cali....a non-profit system, supposedly set up to HELP sick folks, that you plan to make bank on and enter without any need except a need to have a game and make money. Talk about "genuine". Ganking other patients for $400 an oz is far from genuine, Mr. expert dope dealer. It's all just dope dealing without balls ...like fishing in a barrel. It doesn't mean you have any skill. It just means you have no game where you are and have to move to even have a chance in hell of selling any pot.

Have fun. those laws will also change soon (Cali is BROKE) and you'll be BACK at the King droppin fries in hot oil before you can say "top shelf" (that's where they keep the fries.)

The whole "top shelf" thing is so funny. Everyone thinks THEIR weed is the best and that everyone else, even in a legal state, is gonna line up...passing up all the other weed out there...sold legally.... to buy THEIR top shelf. (it's those guys on craigslist and on the corner on Colfax, just ask em) What you don't see is that the market here isn't like where you are...where ANY weed will SELL.

Oh yeah..that is...if you are smart enough to finish the crop without getting popped. Yer STILL gonna have to work on that...even in a "legal" state 'cus laws can't fix STUPID.

Either way, many of us can't wait to see you move out of mom's basement and corner the pot market. Do you have enough jars? Yer gonna be a popular guy with all of those "skills".

I hope it works for ya, 'cus it's pretty obvious that iweed is all you have goin/the only plan you have in place for your future. Your wake up call is gonna be HUGE when it comes. Even moreso than the bust. Sadly, when it all crashes down ir'll simply be "the man's fault" or the fault of those voters who just didn't set it all up FOR YOU..just right..so you could actually play the game in the first place.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm not as convinced as Jhnnn that weed isn't circumventing the MMED's watchful eyes.
They SURE DIDN'T keep track of the medical side of thing as they were supposed to. How could they when they laid off 3/4 of their workforce soon after inception?

But hey...so what? Some people are ballin it and slingin weight out the door. Just like it would be if they allowed some sort of residential sales and let all of the experts like budtang move here to play "expert residential grower" and fill the shelves with all of that "top shelf". Pot growers are ALL so honest. Who needs regulation?

There will always be those who will play the system...much like you are planning to play the system in Cali....a non-profit system, supposedly set up to HELP sick folks, that you plan to make bank on and enter without any need except a need to have a game and make money. Talk about "genuine". Ganking other patients for $400 an oz is far from genuine, Mr. expert dope dealer. It's all just dope dealing without balls ...like fishing in a barrel. It doesn't mean you have any skill. It just means you have no game where you are and have to move to even have a chance in hell of selling any pot.

Have fun. those laws will also change soon (Cali is BROKE) and you'll be BACK at the King droppin fries in hot oil before you can say "top shelf" (that's where they keep the fries.)

The whole "top shelf" thing is so funny. Everyone thinks THEIR weed is the best and that everyone else, even in a legal state, is gonna line up...passing up all the other weed out there...sold legally.... to buy THEIR top shelf. (it's those guys on craigslist and on the corner on Colfax, just ask em) What you don't see is that the market here isn't like where you are...where ANY weed will SELL.

Oh yeah..that is...if you are smart enough to finish the crop without getting popped. Yer STILL gonna have to work on that...even in a "legal" state 'cus laws can't fix STUPID.

Either way, many of us can't wait to see you move out of mom's basement and corner the pot market. Do you have enough jars? Yer gonna be a popular guy with all of those "skills".

I hope it works for ya, 'cus it's pretty obvious that iweed is all you have goin/the only plan you have in place for your future. Your wake up call is gonna be HUGE when it comes. Even moreso than the bust. Sadly, when it all crashes down ir'll simply be "the man's fault" or the fault of those voters who just didn't set it all up FOR YOU..just right..so you could actually play the game in the first place.

I think we need to differentiate the old MMED system from the new Retail system. I don't pretend to understand the old system well, but it seems obvious that inventory tracking & control by the State wasn't very good. It's also obvious that the smaller players don't have a helluva lot to lose other than their freedom.

The Retail scene is entirely different in every respect. It takes venture capital money to realistically do it well- millions. So we're seeing a whole new breed of operator, people very risk averse when it comes to their freedom. Cannabis isn't their only venture, not by a longshot. They'll play it straight, giving the state an honest baseline wrt production, costs, everything because their books are wide open to regulators. If they lose their shirt in the canna biz, it's not their only shirt, & it's a tax write-off.

If your books show them that you're, uhh, extremely inefficient by comparison, they'll start looking at you a lot harder. Old friends in the DEA, FBI & IRS will be glad to help 'em out, too.

Nobody with money wants to be that guy, the first guy they catch pushing serious weight out the back door of his legalized canna biz. They'll RICO everything including the dog, put the family out on the street. And it's kinda hard to fight back from jail when you can't raise $1M in bond & when lawyers want to be paid upfront. They might let him cop a plea to 20 years, provided he rolls over on all his friends, clear back to high school.

They'll keep it in the news, too, partially to convince the public that they're doing a great job & to help anybody else with big ideas to see the light of righteousness.

 

[Seaf0ur]

I think we need to differentiate the old MMED system from the new Retail system. I don't pretend to understand the old system well, but it seems obvious that inventory tracking & control by the State wasn't very good. It's also obvious that the smaller players don't have a helluva lot to lose other than their freedom.

The Retail scene is entirely different in every respect. It takes venture capital money to realistically do it well- millions. So we're seeing a whole new breed of operator, people very risk averse when it comes to their freedom. Cannabis isn't their only venture, not by a longshot. They'll play it straight, giving the state an honest baseline wrt production, costs, everything because their books are wide open to regulators. If they lose their shirt in the canna biz, it's not their only shirt, & it's a tax write-off.

If your books show them that you're, uhh, extremely inefficient by comparison, they'll start looking at you a lot harder. Old friends in the DEA, FBI & IRS will be glad to help 'em out, too.

Nobody with money wants to be that guy, the first guy they catch pushing serious weight out the back door of his legalized canna biz. They'll RICO everything including the dog, put the family out on the street. And it's kinda hard to fight back from jail when you can't raise $1M in bond & when lawyers want to be paid upfront. They might let him cop a plea to 20 years, provided he rolls over on all his friends, clear back to high school.

They'll keep it in the news, too, partially to convince the public that they're doing a great job & to help anybody else with big ideas to see the light of righteousness.

With all the yellow RFID tags things have tightened up in the dispensary, but there are always ways to fudge numbers... especially with caregiverships and multiple grow locations...

There will always be those with the testicular fortitude to get it done no matter what... even in Texas.

Maybe when lil budtang gets off probation and is allowed out of mommys basement, he'll show us all how its done....

But I'm rather certain that most of us who've been round the block a few times have seen his kind come and go...

LOL... the folks in his home town certainly have.