Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else

[WaittillIdie]

True. I simply state that in the eyes of the law cannabis=heroin=hazardous or controlled material

It is classification we should fight... not quibble over legalization matters that would all disappear overnight if we get cannabis declassified entirely... which I believe should be everyone's goal.

In the eye's of the henchmen(cops) enforcing a corrupt law based on lies and also that they can't use there own decision making whether or not if this is a bad law that needs to be enforced or and some are just asshole's who like enforcing this unjust law.

The gov't would rather dump paraquat on all our tumor shrinking cannabis plants like they did in the 70's then give up there grip so good luck with that classification fight.

 

[Seaf0ur]

found more...

straight from amendment 20

"Usable form of marijuana" means the seeds, leaves, buds, and flowers of the plant (genus) cannabis, and any mixture or preparation thereof,

It seems like in many other cases... we have contradictory laws.

 

[Seaf0ur]

Those aspects of the law apply to MMJ & Retail MJ, products available to patients or customers, not to personal growers.

I'm taking it that way as well, but there is no specific permission within the laws that I can see either... which is what was requested... but I do see requirements for processing facilities...

I equate it to not needing a food safety inspector for my evening supper...

The laws governing solvents exist, but as far as I can see legally, ice water, dry ice, pressed, hand rubbed and scissor hash are not expressly forbidden by law, while butane, heptane and propane are expressly forbidden... except in regulated facilities, with reclamation.

however... there still exists the legal charge of:
"processing or manufacturing marijuana concentrate"

 

[WaittillIdie]

The laws governing solvents exist, but as far as I can see legally, ice water, dry ice, pressed, hand rubbed and scissor hash are not expressly forbidden by law, while butane, heptane and propane are expressly forbidden... except in regulated facilities, with reclamation.

If they are so forbidden then why can I go down to the local gas station or any store that carries can's of Ronson and inhale that shit till my lungs and no one gives a flying fuck. I'd be laying in the gutter dead from inhaling that and I don't see nobody enforcing that law and banning Ronson cans. But in the case of making hash it it is taboo and we need a law enforcing it.

 

[monsoon]

OK...let's split more hairs...'cus that seems to be the game

Even if it was illegal to manufacture bubble, wouldn't the powers that be have to catch you in the act of manufacturing it to prosecute you for manufacturing it?

Why? Solely because the law(s) (both 20 and 64, which operate SEPERATELY but share definitions) here allow each of us to possess up to one ounce of "marijuana" outside our home...of which "marijuana", according to 64 and 20, can be anything from the flowers, to an oz of seeds..to yes...even an oz of "concentrate". (you pick the flavor). At home...under 64 possession of any amount of "marijuana" as defined, is also legal as long as you produced the product from the plants you grew onsite and are not selling any of it. Show me where it says "other than bubble hash". I didn't see that in 64's verbiage.

BHO is completely different and while you can possess it under the wording/definition of "marijuana" under 64...you cannot legally make it anymore under the new bill seaF0ur mentioned. And...you conspiracy cats will love this...should you blow something up making BHO here they are now charging these overly-bright folks among us with Arson as well.
You have been warned.

and that NORML site.... well..it says ALL cultivation in Cali is illegal and offers from 6 months to 3 years of paid vacation...followed by probation/drug testing...etc. My guess is that///like here/with the CO statutes...NORML is not only OUT OF DATE ON THEIR INFO, they aren't speaking of medical pot and the "lie to play" system both states have entertained on the medical front that many here (obviously) consider as some sort of "legal sales"...but of recreational (legal) growing. Just because Cali's medical system is lax and unregulated doesn't mean you have legal cultivation there by anyone 21 and over as CO does.

Beyond that, and even farther away from ANY laws we have on the books that would allow such decisions... aren't a bunch of counties in Cali telling people they cannot grow MEDICAL pot indoors...or outdoors and fining people heavily, per plant, for doing so if caught??

That's a FAR CRY from what can happen here...cus while the counties/towns can opt out of the commercial side of the cannabis equation, NO town or county on CO can limit your right to grow/possess in your own home here. None. No way. They want to in some areas.....but they can't do it because it is a protection offered via our Constitution.

Not so in Cali. No protection for recreational grows and county powers that can, from all indications, limit even medical growing? So how is that a better set up again than what CO has?

 

[Jhhnn]

If they are so forbidden then why can I go down to the local gas station or any store that carries can's of Ronson and inhale that shit till my lungs and no one gives a flying fuck. I'd be laying in the gutter dead from inhaling that and I don't see nobody enforcing that law and banning Ronson cans. But in the case of making hash it it is taboo and we need a law enforcing it.

What it amounts to is that they'll be able to prosecute for a specific violation if you blow up your house. Previously, blowing up your house while blasting wasn't a criminal act. It was just dumb.

 

[Jhhnn]

Back to the text of A64, sec 2 (f) under definitions-

(f) “MARIJUANA” OR “MARIHUANA” MEANS ALL PARTS OF THE PLANT OF THE GENUS CANNABIS WHETHER GROWING OR NOT, THE SEEDS THEREOF, THE RESIN EXTRACTED FROM ANY PART OF THE PLANT, AND EVERY COMPOUND, MANUFACTURE, SALT, DERIVATIVE, MIXTURE, OR PREPARATION OF THE PLANT, ITS SEEDS, OR ITS RESIN, INCLUDING MARIHUANA CONCENTRATE.

 

[LSWM]

Back to the text of A64, sec 2 (f) under definitions-

Marijuana is defined. "Processing" isn't. The question whether possession of hash is okay, has already been covered. Whether "processing" in a personal context refers to "manufacture of hashish" is the question at hand.

I also like how nobody from CO even tried to say anything about having 7 plants and automatically get sentenced to 1-3 years imprisonment.

 

[LSWM]

It is illegal for any person over the age of 18 to transport, give, or sell hashish or extracts to a person under the age of 18, which is an offense punishable as a class 4 felony. A class 4 felony is punishable by a fine between $2,000 and $500,000 and a term of imprisonment between 2 and 6 years.

Desperate, huh?

A64 does not specifically prohibit it, therefore it is *not* illegal. Processing means making it into any form the grower desires. Period.

Too easy? Apparently so.

A64 is not a trick bag. It is not a product of the legislature, but rather a citizens' initiative formulated by marijuana activists.

Obviously that's not true wrt other initiatives in other states. If it were, their proposals & laws would be different.

It is SPECIFICALLY ILLEGAL according to the above. A64 provides no protection for manufacture of hashish i could find.

 

[LSWM]

Not so in Cali. No protection for recreational grows and county powers that can, from all indications, limit even medical growing? So how is that a better set up again than what CO has?

Cities and counties cannot limit growing for medical purposes. They can only increase the limits... limits which according to the supreme court are invalid. They can however restrict outdoor growing, and storefront dispensaries.

Its better because if I have 7 plants I won't go to prison.

The cultivation of more than 6 but fewer than 30 plants is a Class 5 felony punishable by 1-3 years imprisonment as well as a fine between $1,000-$100,000.

 

[Seaf0ur]

Marijuana is defined. "Processing" isn't. The question whether possession of hash is okay, has already been covered. Whether "processing" in a personal context refers to "manufacture of hashish" is the question at hand.

I also like how nobody from CO even tried to say anything about having 7 plants and automatically get sentenced to 1-3 years imprisonment.

I have my red card.
I can have 50 plants and can carry 20 ounces...... wait... I forgot to stack A64... so I can have 62 plants for the wife and I...

What was the question?

ahh... hash.

So... owning and possessing hash is OK

HOUSE BILL 14-1361 passed...

PRIOR TO PROMULGATING THE RULES REQUIRED BY
SUBPARAGRAPH (I) OF THIS PARAGRAPH (a.5), THE STATE LICENSING
AUTHORITY MAY CONTRACT FOR A SCIENTIFIC STUDY TO DETERMINE THE
EQUIVALENCY OF MARIJUANA FLOWER IN RETAIL MARIJUANA PRODUCTS
INCLUDING RETAIL MARIJUANA CONCENTRATE.

They are still hammering out concentrates... as of now it is certain methods of extraction that are prohibited.

 

[monsoon]

LOL. SeaF0ur. They just don't get it, do they? Over 6? Get busted? LOL

Nope kiddies....if ya need more than 6...you step outside the realm of A64..into A20...and you call the doc. and get an extended count. Choose 18, 24, 36, or more...

And if that still isn't enough, you find 5 friends with extended counts and stack those cards one on top of another. Just don't forget that you also have 6 on the Rec side as well. LOL.

Anyone in-state know anybody who has been prosecuted for 7-30 lately (the last 10+ years) that wasn't a plea down from some large/more ominous charges? Can anyone give any truthful info here to back up all of the paranoia being spread here by a few who don't even live in state?

 

[WaittillIdie]

What it amounts to is that they'll be able to prosecute for a specific violation if you blow up your house. Previously, blowing up your house while blasting wasn't a criminal act. It was just dumb.

Well then it's up to the person making hash to take all safety precautions when doing so, so that never happens. Should they ban butane grills because they poss a risk to people if the person did not hook it up right and it blew up. Until an explosion occurs I see no crime.

LOL. SeaF0ur. They just don't get it, do they? Over 6? Get busted? LOL

Nope kiddies....if ya need more than 6...you step outside the realm of A64..into A20...and you call the doc. and get an extended count. Choose 18, 24, 36, or more...

And if that still isn't enough, you find 5 friends with extended counts and stack those cards one on top of another. Just don't forget that you also have 6 on the Rec side as well. LOL.

Anyone in-state know anybody who has been prosecuted for 7-30 lately (the last 10+ years) that wasn't a plea down from some large/more ominous charges? Can anyone give any truthful info here to back up all of the paranoia being spread here by a few who don't even live in state?

Well then I would obviously be able to do that only if those laws were implemented in my state as of now but I don't see that happening for awhile. So it's as simple as that you say, call the doc and get my plant count up to 50 of course as long as you qualify which would not be so hard for me. If that's how Colorado's really are then technically you can now grow 50 plants in your yard fenced in, right?

The problem is I am not moving to Colorado and the other states are really dragging there feat when it comes to laws like this. Not only that I have lived in fear all my, don't know anyone with a med card so I have conspiracy that I will now be in the system and they know I grow. In theory the law would protect me but I have a hard time believing it living under prohibition for so long lol.

 

[Jhhnn]

Marijuana is defined. "Processing" isn't. The question whether possession of hash is okay, has already been covered. Whether "processing" in a personal context refers to "manufacture of hashish" is the question at hand.

I also like how nobody from CO even tried to say anything about having 7 plants and automatically get sentenced to 1-3 years imprisonment.

Gawd. Now you're being deliberately obtuse, trying to bolster an argument you already lost. What is hashish, if not "the resin extracted from any part of the plant"?

We have the right to keep what we grow from legal plant counts, process it into any form we find desirable. Sec 4 (c)

NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER PROVISION OF LAW, THE FOLLOWING ACTS ARE NOT UNLAWFUL AND SHALL NOT BE AN OFFENSE UNDER COLORADO LAW OR BE A BASIS FOR SEIZURE OR FORFEITURE OF ASSETS UNDER COLORADO LAW FOR PERSONS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER:

(c)CULTIVATING, HARVESTING, PROCESSING, PACKAGING, TRANSPORTING, DISPLAYING, OR POSSESSING MARIJUANA;

if that's not *precisely* the specificity you demand, it's because you don't want to acknowledge it. Don't be so eager to find something "wrong" with A64 that you lead yourself to think it says things that it doesn't.

 

[WaittillIdie]

LOL. SeaF0ur. They just don't get it, do they? Over 6? Get busted? LOL

Nope kiddies....if ya need more than 6...you step outside the realm of A64..into A20...and you call the doc. and get an extended count. Choose 18, 24, 36, or more...

And if that still isn't enough, you find 5 friends with extended counts and stack those cards one on top of another. Just don't forget that you also have 6 on the Rec side as well. LOL.

Anyone in-state know anybody who has been prosecuted for 7-30 lately (the last 10+ years) that wasn't a plea down from some large/more ominous charges? Can anyone give any truthful info here to back up all of the paranoia being spread here by a few who don't even live in state?

So are these the current laws or not in Colorado? If they are is it hard to convince the doc you need 50 plants. I like all types wish I had a nice verity of sativas and indicas for various medical problems to grow at the same time. Plus I'd like to cook and make juices with it so it that convincing enough for the doc?

 

[Jhhnn]

I have my red card.
I can have 50 plants and can carry 20 ounces...... wait... I forgot to stack A64... so I can have 62 plants for the wife and I...

And I have none of that. For our purposes, we don't need it, but it's perfectly legal to have our completely anonymous little grow, do pretty much whatever we want with it, other than sell it. We simply refuse to do that. Any CO resident 21 or older has the same right.

Zero games. No bullshit. No physicians. No exams. No fees. No claims of medical benefit. No justifications beyond pleasure. No paperwork, period. Just do it if that's what you want.

It's much the same for retail purchases. It's like going to the liquor store. Make your selection, show your ID, put it on your Discover Card if you want. Take it home or to a friend's place to enjoy.

That's a whole different level of public acceptance & legitimacy than the med card routine.

 

[WaittillIdie]

Hello Jhhnn? It sounds like you don't do medical so this is all speculation on your part about the 50 plants thing unless someone else can confirm it. Do you know anyone growing 50 plants outside? You act like you can just walk into the doc and convince him you need 50 plants like it's a done deal which I am not so sure. Also sounds like alot of hoops to go through and there is no grantee so I don't know but it would be worth if it was a success. I'd rather do large outdoor because it saves on the power bill and I would like to cure some all year till next summer also.

 

[Jhhnn]

Hello Jhhnn? It sounds like you don't do medical so this is all speculation on your part about the 50 plants thing unless someone else can confirm it. Do you know anyone growing 50 plants outside? You act like you can just walk into the doc and convince him you need 50 plants like it's a done deal which I am not so sure. Also sounds like alot of hoops to go through and there is no grantee so I don't know but it would be worth if it was a success. I'd rather do large outdoor because it saves on the power bill and I would like to cure some all year till next summer also.

I have made no such claims. Seaf0ur is the person to address about that. I have no personal experience with the CO MMJ scene.

 

[WaittillIdie]

I have made no such claims. Seaf0ur is the person to address about that. I have no personal experience with the CO MMJ scene.

Ok Jhhnn. That's fine. Then my question is now directed to Seaf0ur. Maybe he can answer my questions.

 

[LSWM]

Okay, guess I wasn't seeing as clearly earlier. I submit.

Processing of marijuana is legal. Marijuana is resin by definition. Sorry for the run around, for some reason I wasn't seeing the connection.

Is a 50 plant card as easy to obtain in CO as a reccomendation is in CA? What kind of supervision does it require, if any?