Colorado Growers Thread

[Seaf0ur]

MHBGuy... the fellas nailed it... either the larval, or the prepupal stage of western flower thrips.... that aint an adult yet.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Anybody have any experience with this stuff regarding overall plant health, vigor, and disease resistance?

http://grow-better.com/axiom-harpin-proteins/

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AXIOM Harpin Proteins

AXIOM Harpin Proteins are a Plant Health Promoter and Plant Growth Stimulator that activates a plant’s growth and defense genes resulting in improved plant growth, increased yield and quality, and greater shelf-life. Axiom is the next generation Harpin Proteins originally found in Messenger® manufactured by Eden Bioscience. Harpin Proteins are produced in nature by certain bacterial plant pathogens and plants develop receptors on their seeds, roots, and foliage to detect the presence of Harpin Proteins which triggers an “early warning system” leading to increased plant yields and health. Axiom has extensive research and has multi-year University and field tested results on a variety of different crops.

• Increased Yields: yield increases of 10 – 30% in vegetable crops
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http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~linda chalker-scott/Horticultural Myths_files/Myths/Harpin.pdf

 

[MHBGuy]

Fungus gnat larvae live in the soil and feed on roots not on leaf. You'll see them wiggling around when you water.

Those are likely thrip larvae. Use conserve sc / monteray garden spray

Thanks, Green and everyone else. Seemed strange gnat larva would be on the leaves, but I read it on the internet….haha

 

[CaliGabe]

My experience with PM was nothing got rid of it except Eagle 20 and Serenade as a second treatment to follow up.

Eagle 20 is heavy duty stuff. Works great yet not the permanent cure some think it is. I messed with it a bit and the PM came back. In this instance a lot to do with the environment though. It was Sweet Pink Grapefruit and maybe that cut was a little old at that time and showing some weakness.

Harpin proteins are cool and messed with them years ago. I've gotten to a place where I focus on plant health through soil testing, proper nutrition, foliar applications, etc. If you take a look at calcium if your plants have proper levels then it acts against powdery mildew. Calcium deactivates the pectolytic enzymes in PM so in can 'root' between the cell walls of a plant. Trace elements/minerals are also key to proper enzyme function and your plant is nothing more than a biochemical factory. If it has all the building blocks then chances of pest and disease issues are dramatically reduced. There's a few threads around IC regarding sap testing, AEA foliar products, etc. I'm a big John Kempf fan, have known him for years and his approach to growing plants is basically what I follow.

I third the recommendation for spinosad on thrips. They're very easy to treat. In one large indoor grow I had filter socks on all the intake fans. I was a bit surprised how many critters

 

[Photosynthesis]

Neem, Aloe, potassium silicate, and essential oils weekly will keep pests, and pm away for good.

Essential oils alone with an emulsifier will do the trick.

Compost tea sprayed weekly will also keep it away.

Caligabe is correct though, Helathy plants don't get pests, or disease.

IPM is key. The "P" can stand for pest, or powdery mildew.

 

[SoiledMyself]

Anyone on here reside in Telluride or in surrounding areas? Was thinking about popping up to that area for winter this year and might have un ideal housing options. Have some genetics I would love to get in the right hands, also any insight on living in Telluride is much much appreciated, thanks

 

[who dat is]

Anyone on here reside in Telluride or in surrounding areas? Was thinking about popping up to that area for winter this year and might have un ideal housing options. Have some genetics I would love to get in the right hands, also any insight on living in Telluride is much much appreciated, thanks

Telluride is definitely a cool town. It has the small town, local feel to it and there aren't any chain stores or franchises there. It is tucked away in a valley that dead ends except for a high mountain pass that goes over to Ouray. You will definitely be paying to live in this area though as there is a lot of money there so don't be squeamish about the exorbitant cost of living there. Super cool, laid back feel to the area and it is drop dead fucking beautiful around there. You have to pay to play in all the nice mountain towns and Telluride is no exception.

 

[SoiledMyself]

Thanks for the reply! I live in the Fort right now and was just down in Telluride to scope things out so I have a decent feel for the place. Want to ski bum it for a winter but don't want to have to stop growing and like you said Telluride is pricey and I don't see myself getting a set up going there. Just seeing what this board thought about the town and such....

 

[CaliGabe]

Neem, Aloe, potassium silicate, and essential oils weekly will keep pests, and pm away for good.

Essential oils alone with an emulsifier will do the trick.

Compost tea sprayed weekly will also keep it away.

I dunno. I've seen people use some of the treatments and still get PM. I haven't seen too much that works across the board. Essential oils are probably the most powerful antibacterial, antifungal agents known. Thing is though when you use stuff like that, or neem, you destroy your plants phyllosphere and that's where I like the compost teas. For outdoor grows I think it's cool to collect native plant leaves, brew a tea and spray as a preventative to get your leaf surface immune system healthy. In the nutritional supplement industry there's a few intestinal bacterial supplements that are cultured from leaf and root surfaces.

Some of the treatments do nothing more than change the leaf's surface pH...temporarily.

 

[Seaf0ur]

Aloe, neem, and other systemics and saponins will boost the plants systemic acquired response (SAR)
A plant's SAR is akin to its immune system.
Having a high "immune system" does not necessarily make your plants impervious, but, as it goes, its better than a sharp stick to the eye LOL...
The phyllosphere concerns are valid as that is a secondary part of the immune system of the plant. Vermicast teas as foliars aid the repulsion of vectors from the phyllosphere.

I believe an elemental sulfur burner would be the way to go in my opinion.

 

[Photosynthesis]

I'm just glad I have never had PM.

Even in the south where my rooms would be 90% humidity. Nada.

I always thought twice weekly foliars of compost tea were the thing that made it happen.

Maybe I'm just lucky though. Knock on wood.

 

[CaliGabe]

I'm just glad I have never had PM.

If you've never had PM then how do you know what works?

 

[Jhhnn]

I haven't experienced PM indoors w/ the girls. With our melons outdoors last year, about the time we noticed there was a problem it was too late. The plants were completely overwhelmed in a week to 10 days. Finito. Hell, there was PM on the lilacs 8 ft up in the air. They came through OK, unlike the melons.

It was a weird garden season all the way around, very rainy & humid in Aug & Sept. The wife started in with the milk spraying in July & we've had no signs of the evil shit. Dunno if that's really due to her efforts or if it's just a better year for gardens in general.

I did remove all the old vegetable matter last fall, including the mulch, right down to bare dirt in hopes of reducing spore count as far as possible.

 

[Seaf0ur]

some men learn from their own mistakes... a wise man learns from the mistakes of others.... LOL

 

[Photosynthesis]

some men learn from their own mistakes... a wise man learns from the mistakes of others.... LOL

Exactly!

 

[Seaf0ur]

I haven't experienced PM indoors w/ the girls. With our melons outdoors last year, about the time we noticed there was a problem it was too late. The plants were completely overwhelmed in a week to 10 days. Finito. Hell, there was PM on the lilacs 8 ft up in the air. They came through OK, unlike the melons.

It was a weird garden season all the way around, very rainy & humid in Aug & Sept. The wife started in with the milk spraying in July & we've had no signs of the evil shit. Dunno if that's really due to her efforts or if it's just a better year for gardens in general.

I did remove all the old vegetable matter last fall, including the mulch, right down to bare dirt in hopes of reducing spore count as far as possible.

Milk does help with PM on the surface... its use began as a result of a Brazilian study published in 1999 focusing on powdery mildew control on zucchini. This new alternative to conventional fungicides has been combined with reports of successful powdery mildew control on a variety of plants, including roses.

While PM likes to get down deep... its an ounce of prevention/pound of cure situation... the only drawbacks to spraying milk for PM are... odor, Dried skim milk has been reported to induce black rot, soft rot, and Alternaria leaf spot on treated plants and what I find to be a deal breaker.... if you use too much and don't rinse... rotting milkfat chunks can form inside buds.... not bueno. If you use a milk spray, to minimize the negatives, a 10/1 dilution should be used... IE: Mix 10 cups water to 1 cup of milk.

 

[Photosynthesis]

Milk does help with PM on the surface... its use began as a result of a Brazilian study published in 1999 focusing on powdery mildew control on zucchini. This new alternative to conventional fungicides has been combined with reports of successful powdery mildew control on a variety of plants, including roses.

While PM likes to get down deep... its an ounce of prevention/pound of cure situation... the only drawbacks to spraying milk for PM are... odor, Dried skim milk has been reported to induce black rot, soft rot, and Alternaria leaf spot on treated plants and what I find to be a deal breaker.... if you use too much and don't rinse... rotting milkfat chunks can form inside buds.... not bueno. If you use a milk spray, to minimize the negatives, a 10/1 dilution should be used... IE: Mix 10 cups water to 1 cup of milk.

Although you could have the next "it" strain if you spray milk on Cookies.

 

[Double Kindness]

Crazy weather this year, but the biodynamic calendar says it would be a wet year and it certainly has been here a mile high.

And I found myself in a bizarre situation, that now has me growing outdoors the first time seriously kinda in 7 years or so. And I can barely get to my plants, but something furry has been munching on my mmj plants (22 of them) hmmppft.

well these I pretty much decided weren't worth the time to get rid of spider mites, which was devastating to me b/c no issues for 5 years or so, and these hitched a ride on a co2 tank exchange. double suck indeed. So if I get a harvest, groovy, if not, well I'm about to pop of seeds, mostly femmed high cbd stuffs, and other projects I have been working on.

I have my veg and fruit and herb garden rocking out, even got a few ghost pepper plants, and 4-5 kinds of melon and tomatoes. And chickens are a new addition. Which means ya'll knew already some of ya, that I'm now way cray cray! CRAZY!! But I have chickens that lay blue eggs and white eggs.. so nah. Even DM LOVES my chickers! And avi.. kinda. and DM doesn't even eat eggs!

I made a killer version of my hack on ben and jerry's cherry garcia, made with eggs my chicken laid and PLENTY of the bho I grew/extracted. Bringing it out to a local event ya should check it out while it lasts tonight. Avinash.miles should be in attendance? His garden is looking schweet!! Waiting on test results back to see which harlox will go outdoors with my ladies via avi, have a line on 2 other hatrlox males for breeding if interested?

just got back from bong a thon and the denver county fair and checked out the pot pavilion. Which is why I made 2 gallons of medicated gelato for today.

"bawk bawk bawk bawk chickens bawk bawk bawk cannabis bawk baw3k bawk gluten free bawk bawk bawk bio- bawk bawk bawk chickens bawk bawk bawk cannabis" all DM hears from me all day every day into the night..

 

[dragging hooks]

outdoor Skunk Berry has started to flower

 

[Corvette Doc]

Calling Seaf0ur...


I have been trying to figgure out what these are for YEARS! They would seriously infest my parents yard accross town but this year they found mine, although no where near as bad of an infestation. The closest thing to them i have found is a type of lightening bug but they are not that. They are usually jet black with a red, orange, or pinkish line along the medial line where the wings sit. They are almost a 1/4 inch long or just over. They will clump-up into a ball of about 30-40 on the ground sometimes...i am guessing mating???
I thought i had imune grasshoppers in there till i finally saw a couple of these. They eat away the leaf almost exactly like a hopper. I don't sweat the occational hopper...find a munched leaf, look around it close and there they usually are, so trashed they can barely move. But not these little bastards...they are are QUICK and the only thing that seems to kill them is a solid smashing...they survive light ones.

On a side question; Do you think that rows of hemp or good stuff could act as a way to slow or stop locusts? They are the only insect i have run accross that seems to get stoned after munching on my leaves...Maybe a swarm might get too smashed to continue after hitting a row of pot?