Hey, i like this vert growing thinge and need help with my setup....

[Justinsane]

Hi guys and girls!

I started reading on vert grows the other day and i am HOOKED so now i wanna try it out but i need your help.

This is what i got to work with...

1 veg tent @ 2 x 4 x 5.6 feet
1 flower tent @ 4 x 8 x 6.6 feet.

2 400w hps
1 250w mh
and all the fans and filters i need.

In my flowering tent i will have 2 sections @ 4 x 4 with one 400w hanging in the middle of that...

Right now i will not be working with just fems or clones so male plants will show up... and i will not be able to veg them in a vert style because of my small veg tent...

I wanna try and veg my plants for 4-6 weeks and then put them in to my vert flower room and then remove the males that show up...

My plan is to have 4 plants around each 400w bulb with aprox 4-5weeks between them... so 4 plants like 6 weeks in to flower and 4 plants at 2 weeks in to flower so i can get a harvest every 4-6 weeks.

Right now i have 3 fems and 3 regs vegging away at 2weeks and this babies will be my first try at vert growing in flower....

So untill sexing i will have 6plants around my 400w bulb then i hope for 4 plants...

I wanna grow both indicas, hybrids and sativas in there as well...
And how much will a 400w bulb cover height wise? Say some of my plants reach 1.5 meters in height trained out on a screen, will one buld in the middle of them plants be enough?

And when you veg them in "normal" style and then wanna train them on to a screen behind the pot how do you do that the best way without getting a lot of growt on the blind side, the back of the screen?

Ok, thats all i can think of for now...

Justin

edit: can all hps bulbs be used in vert grows or is some speciel bulb i need to get?

edit #2 : i will be growing in 5 liters coco/perlite hempys...
neeeeewb.....lol

 

[LSWM]

If it were me I'd run the 250 in a hood for better coverage in the 2x4 for Veg. If you can swing it, vegging in the final flower location has lots of advantages and I would most likely run the 2 400s in a oval pattern and do a few weeks of veg with 4-12 plants. The donuts are more efficient but in that space it would be more wise to not pack them in or else access to train and water will be significantly hindered. You could easily run 2 600s or 1ks in a 4x8, or stack the 400s and run that in a 4x4 space
That later option leaves lots of room around the plants to work and takes advantage of vertical space, the earlier option wouldn't cover all you vertical space. Really up to you.

When you move them from horizontal to vertical you must do rigorous training. Look through some threads here in the vert forum for a better idea, but the plants go spread eagle as soon as they make it to their final screen, and anything that doesn't go left or right gets cut off. Sometimes the branches from behind get pushed up front if three are empty spots.

Lilipopping is also very important. You want the lower nodes on branches further back to be cut off and covered with a top node from a lower branch creating layers of top colas.

As for running kushes or indicas, you are going to need to veg much longer if they dont stretch to get any decent yeild. The other option is to run mostly stretchier strains and just put the indicas on the floor and train them around the lower part of the screen, letting stretchier strains fill in up top. If plant #s are of no concern you could put as many small kushes around the floor as you wanted and collect all that extra light.

EDIT:Running perpetual will be difficult to do and yeild well, especially with multiple strains. If you don't know how much the strain stretches you will be in for a big surprise come flower time. 1 plant won't move and the next will be 3x as tall.

 

[Justinsane]

My plan is to run my 250w with an adjust a wing reflector for veg and then move them to my flowering tent for 12/12 cycle and start the traing on to the screens then. I will have one screen for each plant so i can take it in and out of my tent if needed.

And i really need a harvest every 4-6 weeks to pay my bills and food... and that harvest has to be some where around 150-200 grams dry...

And the gear i got is the gear i got, no money to buy 600 or 1000w bulbs so i guess i just gotta make it work somehow...lol

 

[Mister_D]

I wanna grow both indicas, hybrids and sativas in there as well...
And how much will a 400w bulb cover height wise? Say some of my plants reach 1.5 meters in height trained out on a screen, will one buld in the middle of them plants be enough?

A single 400w will cover about 1 meter (3ft) of vertical space if placed ~2ft away from the plants. That won't give you ideal light levels, but will be sufficient for your goals.

And when you veg them in "normal" style and then wanna train them on to a screen behind the pot how do you do that the best way without getting a lot of growt on the blind side, the back of the screen?

Cut the branches that will be on the backside of the plant (i.e not trained to the screen) once in flower off as they emerge in veg.

Ok, thats all i can think of for now...

Justin

edit: can all hps bulbs be used in vert grows or is some speciel bulb i need to get?

All hps can be used either vertically or horizontally. Most metal halide bulbs on the other hand are position specific

edit #2 : i will be growing in 5 liters coco/perlite hempys...
neeeeewb.....lol

That's a great system to start in

 

[LSWM]

My plan is to run my 250w with an adjust a wing reflector for veg and then move them to my flowering tent for 12/12 cycle and start the traing on to the screens then. I will have one screen for each plant so i can take it in and out of my tent if needed.

And i really need a harvest every 4-6 weeks to pay my bills and food... and that harvest has to be some where around 150-200 grams dry...

And the gear i got is the gear i got, no money to buy 600 or 1000w bulbs so i guess i just gotta make it work somehow...lol

200g dry should be easily achievable at .5 gpw. coco/perlite hempys should do the job nicely.

 

[Justinsane]

That's a great system to start in

Yeah, i been growing in coco/perlite hempys almost 2 years now and with Canna coco A+B its really rockin my plants

SO 1 meter light cover if 2 feets from plant, good. And how close can i have my plants at closest to the bulb? 1 feet?

Where shall my bulb be during stretch and after stretch for best result?
And if i train my stretchy Sativas so they stay within 1 meters height wise on a screen i will cover most of the plant and would be able to have shorter plants in there on screens with OK result yes?

So you mean that after my veg period i take my plant and train it on to a screen, cut of all branches on the blind side that i cant train on to the screen of and then put it into flower?

Thanks for all your help

Justin

 

[Justinsane]

200g dry should be easily achievable at .5 gpw. coco/perlite hempys should do the job nicely.

Hey hey hey now dont put pressure on me now...lol...

But yes 50 grams/plant is no problem any more

But never tried vert growing before and I always get a little nervous when trying something new...hehe

Cheers friend

Justin

 

[LSWM]

Yeah, i been growing in coco/perlite hempys almost 2 years now and with Canna coco A+B its really rockin my plants

SO 1 meter light cover if 2 feets from plant, good. And how close can i have my plants at closest to the bulb? 1 feet?

Where shall my bulb be during stretch and after stretch for best result?
And if i train my stretchy Sativas so they stay within 1 meters height wise on a screen i will cover most of the plant and would be able to have shorter plants in there on screens with OK result yes?

So you mean that after my veg period i take my plant and train it on to a screen, cut of all branches on the blind side that i cant train on to the screen of and then put it into flower?

Thanks for all your help

Justin

Optimal distance from bulb would be 12-18 inches. 2 feet lets you fit more plants in. You could probably go closer than 12 inches just watch them and see how they do.

How you train them and flip them is really up to you. You are the only onethat knows how much your plants will stretch after flip. Some strains can go straight onto the screen and flower, others will do better with veg time on the screen. Almost all strains will do better with some veg on the screen but your setup doesnt seem to allow for this.

Its the same as filling in a horizontal scrog. Its gonna take a little guess work and experience before those screens are completely full. Good luck.

 

[Justinsane]

Optimal distance from bulb would be 12-18 inches. 2 feet lets you fit more plants in. You could probably go closer than 12 inches just watch them and see how they do.

How you train them and flip them is really up to you. You are the only onethat knows how much your plants will stretch after flip. Some strains can go straight onto the screen and flower, others will do better with veg time on the screen. Almost all strains will do better with some veg on the screen but your setup doesnt seem to allow for this.

Its the same as filling in a horizontal scrog. Its gonna take a little guess work and experience before those screens are completely full. Good luck.

Thanks again for all your input my friend.
And I know that veg time when training them on to the screens would be the best but as you say thats not for me and my setup, not now any how

But im thinking like this.... a plant with little or no strecht after veg that will be trained on to a screen will probably do better with vert light then if just left untrained and put under normal lighting with some strechy sativas.... so i think vert growing will suit my needs better then horizontal growing anyhow

More tips and input you guys can think of?

How strong does my fan under my bulb need to be?

J

 

[LSWM]

You want the fan creating a gentle column, not so powerful that it blows the heat up and it bounces back down. Lowest speed setting on most fans works fine. Honeywell's are the brand recommended by most.

 

[Mister_D]

Yeah, i been growing in coco/perlite hempys almost 2 years now and with Canna coco A+B its really rockin my plants

SO 1 meter light cover if 2 feets from plant, good. And how close can i have my plants at closest to the bulb? 1 feet?

With proper air flow you can get within 6" of the bulb without burning. However it's much better to plan for no closer than a foot to prevent excessive shading.

Where shall my bulb be during stretch and after stretch for best result?

During stretch the tip of the bulb (opposite end from the socket) should be level with the top of the plants. This encourages the plants to grow upward towards the bulb. If you find your self with plants of differing heights, just average the difference and hang the bulb in the middle (i.e you have 2 plants that are 50" tall and 2 plants that are 60" tall, you'd hang the bulb so the tip is at 55"). After stretch has ended lower the bulb down so the middle of the bulb is level with the middle of the plants, again averaging if necessary.

And if i train my stretchy Sativas so they stay within 1 meters height wise on a screen i will cover most of the plant and would be able to have shorter plants in there on screens with OK result yes?

As long as you are able to completely cover your screens with green by the end of stretch, it doesn't really matter how you accomplish it. Yes it will work fine done properly.

So you mean that after my veg period i take my plant and train it on to a screen, cut of all branches on the blind side that i cant train on to the screen of and then put it into flower?

I was actually referring to removing the branches on the blind side as they appear during veg. No reason to have a plant put energy into branches you just intend to cut off later . You could certainly also trim up the blind side a few days before initiating flower, but I'd suggest doing it throughout veg for the best results.

Thanks for all your help

Justin

Happy to lend a hand when I can.

 

[mojave green]

or...

or...

u could just let em grow wild like i do.

 

[Justinsane]

It turns out i will be able to give the first run of my vert growing some veg time with vert light and screens

So i put my 6 plants ( Aurora Indica x2(fem) Fruitylucius(fem) Satori x2 (reg) Black widow (reg) In my vert room yesterday after 19 days of horizontal veg time and will give them around 4 more weeks to train them on to them screens before flipping the lights.


My question for today is: Do you guys top your plants anything or just let them grow and train them on to the screen?
And if you top, @ what node for best result?

Justin

 

[LSWM]

I top but it is strain and plant dependant. I normally top totry aand keep even height, then spread the bigger plants tops over a wider area

 

[Justinsane]

Hi again.

I have been thinking like crazy about my setup in my tent for best use of each light and all my space... and maybe i got something now....you guys tell me!


I make individual screens for each plant.
Each screen is 40cmx80cm --- 16x31 in inches...almost...i think.. not sure i really like inches...lol

And i put each plant so the light bulb is 50cm (20inch) from the screen.

Then i can put 8 plants in a octagon around each 400w and get pretty good light cover on the entire screen of every plant. Right?

I will then be able to make two of these octagons in my 120cmx240cm tent (4x8) with a few cm free space so i be able to open and close my door when all the plants are in place.

Each of these octagons will be 110cmx110cm so it will be a tight fit and i will have to take out a minimum of 3 plants each time i want to enter my tent...lol

But with these numbers ive come up with i will only need to get 25 grams/plant to reach my minimum number of 200g/harvest.

Ok vert maniacs....hit me with the truth!

have a good day

justin

 

[LSWM]

Hi again.

I have been thinking like crazy about my setup in my tent for best use of each light and all my space... and maybe i got something now....you guys tell me!


I make individual screens for each plant.
Each screen is 40cmx80cm --- 16x31 in inches...almost...i think.. not sure i really like inches...lol

And i put each plant so the light bulb is 50cm (20inch) from the screen.

Then i can put 8 plants in a octagon around each 400w and get pretty good light cover on the entire screen of every plant. Right?

I will then be able to make two of these octagons in my 120cmx240cm tent (4x8) with a few cm free space so i be able to open and close my door when all the plants are in place.

Each of these octagons will be 110cmx110cm so it will be a tight fit and i will have to take out a minimum of 3 plants each time i want to enter my tent...lol

But with these numbers ive come up with i will only need to get 25 grams/plant to reach my minimum number of 200g/harvest.

Ok vert maniacs....hit me with the truth!

have a good day

justin

Should easily be able to crush 200g from both lights, 400g is still only .5gpw and with proper training and veg time will be easy to achieve.

Sounds like a tight fit but the modular screens will make that workable. Are you still king with a coco Hempy?

Have you decided how you are dealing with runoff?

 

[Justinsane]

Should easily be able to crush 200g from both lights, 400g is still only .5gpw and with proper training and veg time will be easy to achieve.

Sounds like a tight fit but the modular screens will make that workable. Are you still king with a coco Hempy?

Have you decided how you are dealing with runoff?

Howdy bro.

Yeah still rockin hempy-style...

For the run off my plan is something like this...

I will build a 10cm high platform in same shape as my octagon. Each plants will be standing on some kind of stable screen and under each of them screens i will have a plate for the run off so i can measure and empty my run off without having to move my plants.

Well...my inner plants thats it...to fully reach my inner plants in my octagon (really starting to like this word) i will have to move the tree plants closest to my door so them girls i will water outside of my tent so the run off from them is a self solving problem...lol

Justin


edit. and my 200 gram goal is for one octagon (8plants and 1light) every 5-7weeks.

edit #2: Right now i have 2 Aurora Indica(nirvana) 1fruitylicious (mandala) and 1 Satori(Mandala) 2days in to flower in my first test grow with vert lighting and 1more satori and a black widow (mr nice) in their final week of veg. All looks really good after a shaky start..

In a real dilemma here...because i really wanna show you my girls but the idea of uploading pictures really scares the crap out of me...

 

[LSWM]

Howdy bro.

Yeah still rockin hempy...

For the run off my plan is something like this...

I will build a 10cm high platform in same shape as my octagon. Each plants will be standing on some kind of stable screen and under each of them screens i will have a pversions o the run off so i can measure and empty my run off without having to move my plants.

Well...my inner plants thats it...to fully reach

my inner plants in my octagon (really starting to like this word) i will have to move the tree plants closest to my door so them girls i will water outside of my tent so the run off from them is a self solving problem...lol

Justin


edit. and my 200 gram goal is for one octagon (8plants and 1light) every 5-7weeks.

edit #2: Right now i have 2 Aurora Indica(nirvana) 1fruitylicious (mandala) and 1 Satori(Mandala) 2days in to flower in my first test grow with vert lighting and 1more satori and a black widow (mr nice) in their final week of veg. All looks really good after a shaky start..

In a real dilemma here...because i really wanna show you my girls but the idea of uploading pictures really scares the crap out of me...

Having only modular screens in the middle will make perpetual a bitch. I'm not sure that's what you were saying but that's what I got from it.

As I said 400g shoupd be easy enough from both screens. Might take you a run or two to get there depending on past experience.

Upload 'em! If you live in the US, you can basically rest easy with the feds these days uness youve got a warehouse going... and i really doubt your local police have the resources to be tracking home growers on icmag... Just make sure you remove exif data before uploading. The newer versions of windows can do it natively or there are website that do too.

I live in Cali so take the above with a grain of salt, but personally I don't see the internet creating an issue for any home grower in the US.

 

[Justinsane]

Having only modular screens in the middle will make perpetual a bitch. I'm not sure that's what you were saying but that's what I got from it.

As I said 400g shoupd be easy enough from both screens. Might take you a run or two to get there depending on past experience.

Upload 'em! If you live in the US, you can basically rest easy with the feds these days uness youve got a warehouse going... and i really doubt your local police have the resources to be tracking home growers on icmag... Just make sure you remove exif data before uploading. The newer versions of windows can do it natively or there are website that do too.

I live in Cali so take the above with a grain of salt, but personally I don't see the internet creating an issue for any home grower in the US.

naa all plants will have its own screen so all plants will be removable.
I will veg plants for 5-6 weeks then i take my first 8 vegged plants and put in one of my 4x4 space in the tent, start my next veg run 4-5 veeks, then my first flower plants will have 4-5weeks of flower time when my next 8 vegged plants go into 4x4 #2 and start to flower, next veg run is startded here and so my grow will countinue on.... hopefully giving me a harvest every 5-7weeks for 8plants.

You dig bro? .lol

J

edit: And i Live in Sweden.... good country in many ways...not in MMJ-law kinda way tho... here it is illegeal to have thc in your blood... so if a cop see you and think you looked stoned (red eyes etc etc) they can make you take a drug test and if you are showing thc on that test you will get a fine and a house warrent... thats why i am so scared about them damn pictures...

i will think hard about posting some pictures tonight tho.....during that time i will take my dog and 2 fat joints jump on my bike and go swimming.

Hells to the yes

 

[LSWM]

Sounds perfect my man. You should easily achieve your goals.

Can't wait for the pics! Sweden sounds pretty nasty in thar regard. Stay safe!