Malaysian airliner crashes in E. Ukraine

[bombadil.360]

i know Prison Planet blah blah, just read it, in this case the message means much more then the messenger. just think about it, if you are sitting in a bar and Alex Jones stands there and tells you your house is on fire, you wouldn't say, oh this is Alex Jones saying it i'll just ignore it. no you'd go and check it out for yourself.

Alex Jones would never just simply tell you that your house is on fire, he'd probably tell you something along these lines:

"the Feds have set fire to your house!!! they want to burn your house down to force you into FEMA camps!!!! I AM THE TRUTH!!!!"

 

[bill cooper]

Posting pages full of Russian propaganda and now Alex fucking Jones ! Say bye bye to the last shred of credibility you had Gaius

 

[SativaBreather]

dont be a dick, Alex Jones is totally credible, prove him wrong

 

[bill cooper]

Right on cue all we need now is Benton and Trich rider and the full gang of cloud fearing conspiraloon's are here

 

[SativaBreather]

poor bill

 

[D. B. Doober]

i'll bet the climate there would grow some VICIOUS sativas, LOL!

I saw a lone plant when I was strolling Guantanamo once

 

[gaiusmarius]

Alex Jones would never just simply tell you that your house is on fire, he'd probably tell you something along these lines:

"the Feds have set fire to your house!!! they want to burn your house down to force you into FEMA camps!!!! I AM THE TRUTH!!!!"

now thats some funny shit right there lmao. so true, but maybe something like; your house is on fire because the gov has cut back on the fire dept.

Posting pages full of Russian propaganda and now Alex fucking Jones ! Say bye bye to the last shred of credibility you had Gaius

ok bud, no problem, i do wonder wether you actually read it, this wasn't writen by Jones or by Watson, let me see, yes, here we have it, this document was written by:

Prepared by VIPS Steering Group

William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.)

Larry Johnson, CIA & State Department (ret.)

Edward Loomis, NSA, Cryptologic Computer Scientist (ret.)

David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)

Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)

Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East (ret.)

Coleen Rowley, Division Counsel & Special Agent, FBI (ret.)

Peter Van Buren, U.S. Department of State, Foreign Service Officer (ret)

Ann Wright, Col., US Army (ret); Foreign Service Officer (ret.)

as they are bringing up many points that i've been wondering about, i thought i'd share it for those interested in more thoughtful analysis, then "Putin killed my son" .

in this case you shouldn't worry so much about the url, but more about the content. can you actually find fault with the CONTENT? or is your objection based solely on who is sharing this letter? not sure who is more credible, someone asking for real proof, or someone jumping to conclusions from each new rumor on the internet?

 

[SativaBreather]

sorry, Bill's a real clued up fella that knows whats going on in the world...

 

[bill cooper]

 

[gaiusmarius]

Just to give people a bit of insight into how pathetic Sativa Breather is , he just joined another canna site that i use as billcoopersuckscock grow up paranoid Pete and go and see your doctor before you get sectioned

pls explain, what has this to do with this thread? how do you even know who it is? a site allowing members to make names insulting other members sounds like fun, NOT!

btw, do you have anything to say about the actual content of that letter posted above?

 

[bill cooper]

I have nothing more to say to you or your fellow conspiraloon buddies ,feel free to carry on with your deluded nonsense

 

[gaiusmarius]

I have nothing more to say to you or your fellow conspiraloon buddies ,feel free to carry on with your deluded nonsense

ok, i see, thanks for your valued contributions and thoughtful input.

your posts really say it all, you have no real arguments to make against waiting for an investigation to be completed before jumping to conclusions that might lead to world war. all you have really brought to the table is insults, the worst of which you kindly edited after being asked to do so, but never the less you have not discussed 1 point made in this document, it's all about insulting anyone who questions the narrative in any way. forget turning your own brain on and thinking, just unquestioningly accept that Kerry has to be telling the truth, hence everything else is to be disparaged, no matter how sensible and logical. just saddens me that even in this community of normally open minded people, we have such as you swallowing the unproven propaganda hook line and sinker, even as one story after another is shown to be fabricated.

it's not even like i'm saying you should believe the Russian version of events, all i and these ladies and gents from the US intelligence services are saying, is wait and see what the investigation shows, or show some conclusive proof for gods sake. what in the hell is so wrong with that point of view i ask you?

 

[armedoldhippy]

dont be a dick, Alex Jones is totally credible, prove him wrong

no need, time proves him wrong eventually. "totally credible" because you WANT him to be right, LOL!

 

[armedoldhippy]

Right on cue all we need now is Benton and Trich rider and the full gang of cloud fearing conspiraloon's are here

double up, Bill. right as rain...

 

[bill cooper]

ok, i see, thanks for your valued contributions and thoughtful input.

your posts really say it all, you have no real arguments to make against waiting for an investigation to be completed before jumping to conclusions that might lead to world war. all you have really brought nothing to the table is insults, the worst of which you kindly edited after being asked to do so, but never the less you have not discussed 1 point made in this document, it's all about insulting anyone who questions the narrative in any way. forget turning your own brain on and thinking, just unquestioningly accept that Kerry has to be telling the truth, hence everything else is to be disparaged, no matter how sensible and logical. just saddens me that even in this community of normally open minded people, we have such as you swallowing the unproven propaganda hook line and sinker, even as one story after another is shown to be fabricated.

it's not even like i'm saying you should believe the Russian version of events, all i and these ladies and gents from the US intelligence services are saying, is wait and see what the investigation shows, or show some conclusive proof for gods sake. what in the hell is so wrong with that point of view i ask you?

There's a big difference between questioning the narrative and believing what is quite clearly Russian propaganda and there's being open minded and then there's being so open minded your brain falls out which quite clearly the case with you and your fellow conspiraloon buddies no matter how much you try and project it onto me and the fact you actually think this will lead to a world war says it all for me .
Read your own post above , the only bit you got right was that all i have brought to the table is insults and that's because i am sick you and your fellow loons talking paranoid nonsense in every current affairs thread ,the rest is a clear case of projection because its obvious who has swallowed the propaganda and who is jumping to conclusions and who is not using their own brain and thinking for themselves and it certainly ain't me

 

[gaiusmarius]

There's a big difference between questioning the narrative and believing what is quite clearly Russian propaganda and there's being open minded and then there's being so open minded your brain falls out which quite clearly the case with you and your fellow conspiraloon buddies no matter how much you try and project it onto me and the fact you actually think this will lead to a world war says it all for me .
Read your own post above , the only bit you got right was that all i have brought to the table is insults and that's because i am sick you and your fellow loons talking paranoid nonsense in every current affairs thread ,the rest is a clear case of projection because its obvious who has swallowed the propaganda and who is jumping to conclusions and who is not using their own brain and thinking for themselves and it certainly ain't me

fair enough, thats your view. i just wonder which particular propaganda i have swollowed? are you saying that Alex Jones is a Russian propaganda source? or are you saying this letter i shared by these retired intelligence professionals is Russian propaganda? just wondering?

of course i hope this doesn't lead from a proxy war to a world war, but any student of history knows that smaller misunderstandings have lead to war in the past.

what sure doesn't help peace and stability in the world, is making wild accusations without evidence before any investigation is complete. can we at least agree on that?

 

[SativaBreather]

pls explain, what has this to do with this thread? how do you even know who it is? a site allowing members to make names insulting other members sounds like fun, NOT!

btw, do you have anything to say about the actual content of that letter posted above?

my god is bill on crack? I got no clue what he's on. sounds a bit paranoid and delusional...

 

[Green lung]

Thats what is called "projection" folks.........textbook example.






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[Hermanthegerman]

Did anybody hear something about the black boxes? I think the malaysians got them since more than 2 weeks?

 

[sprinkl]

yeah yeah of course, big bad Putin, the one who drone kills all over the place, the one who tortures, the one who starts wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, the one who destroyed Lybia, oh wait hang on, that wasn't Putin was it? he was against every one of those, oh right, thats why he's the bad guy, i get it. can't be against bombing countries to the middle ages when the US says its time to do so. sorry but you are being misinformed about this event, Russia has just reported on their preliminary satelite and radar data investigation and they have some very interesting pictures to show the world. not just words, turns out the Ukrainian army actually deployed those buk systems near the area a day or 2 before and took them away a day after the plane was shot. like i said it's breaking news now on Russian TV. they are actually presenting a bunch of facts and asking questions, they are still not throwing wild accusations around like the amatuers in charge at the state department.

really think about it, why would the Russians do such a thing? it destroys everything they have been trying to achieve with the Brics organization and it endangers all the diplomatic initiatives in every part of the world. it's the stupidest thing they could have done at the stupidest time they could have done it. they have been making hard core efforts for the last 5 years to try and get this planet back to a multipolar rule, they have been making deals with every one who had something to offer, all their efforts have been focused on diplomacy and business relations with as many nations as possible, so really, why risk the ire of the whole world when all you have to do is wait and watch as the Kiev government colapses due to going bankrupt. Ukraine as a country is in so much economic trouble that it needs 30 billion just to stay afloat, their industry is in tatters, their agriculture is a mess. the one thing they have is the gas fields that were discovered last year in the western part. they actually got Bidens son a job in the Ukrainian gas company, at the same time congress has decided to help Ukraine double its gas output in 1 year. anyway back to the point, the Russians also have radar data showing that a Ukrainian military plane was picked up close to the boing 777 at the time of the event. they are asking their American counterparts to share images from a satellite they say could see everything perfectly.

try find the press conference that was just given today by the Russian military. just wish they had better translators. still with time the transcript will come out, probably only in the alternative media, but yeah he who seeks will find.

This.. USA or at least the powers controlling it are the real war mongerers.. Look at the last 50 years of covert ops, false flag attacks to start wars, with the only real goal being oil, gas or territorial control. Not only nutjob sites report about this. Many books have been written, many people exposing the truths have vanished, been killed or their reputations smuthered. Think high ranking government and army officials, uncovering bits and pieces of the real truth. The books are out there. Russian propaganda they say, please, what nonsense. Russia seems like a weak puppy compared to the west.
Western media lost all credibility in my book, over and over again.
Really this world has been in world war 3 for dozens of years while the western hard working, sucked dry out of money and health good people believe we're fighting islam terrorists, 3rd world country dictators and russia is threatening us with nuclear weapons...
I really hope this will all end before human race is sickened both mentally and physically to a point of no return... We are too intelligent to let war drive us into oblivion. Sadly psychopaths manage to control us at every turn... I'm atheist but I'm starting to hope there is a god out there who can get us out of this mess.