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NASA confirms ‘impossible’ thruster actually works, could revolutionize space travel

Storm Shadow

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http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-t...lly-works-revolutionize-space-travel/#!btUBPU

NASA confirms ‘impossible’ thruster actually works, could revolutionize space travel

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When Roger Shawyer first unveiled his EmDrive thruster back around 2003, the scientific community laughed at him. They said it was impossible, that it was based on a flawed concept, and couldn’t work because it goes against the laws of conservation of momentum. But somehow, despite all of the reasons it shouldn’t work, it does. Scientists at NASA just confirmed it.
Shawyers engine provides thrust by “bouncing microwaves around in a closed chamber.” That’s it. There’s no need for a propellant of any kind like rocket fuel. When filled with resonating microwaves, the conical chamber of the thruster experiences a net thrust toward the wide end. These microwaves can be generated using electricity, which can be provided by solar energy. In theory, this means that the thruster can work forever, or at least until its hardware fails.
Initially, the idea was met with criticism because it flies in the face of Newtonian physics, which dictate that no closed system can have this kind of net thrust. Shawyer, however, says that net thrust occurs because the microwaves have a group velocity which is greater in one direction when Einstein’s relativity comes into play. But can it really?
Apparently, yes. The idea was first confirmed by a group of Chinese scientists back in 2009. They built their own version of Shawyer’s thruster and were able to produce 720 milinewton of force — but even then, nobody really believed it.

Now, American scientists at NASA have given the EmDrive a go, and once again confirmed that it actually works. The test results were presented on July 30 at the 50th Joint Propulsion Conference in Cleveland, Ohio, and astonishingly enough, they are positive. The team behind the drive still doesn’t know why it works, just that it does.
“Test results indicate that the RF resonant cavity thruster design, which is unique as an electric propulsion device, is producing a force that is not attributable to any classical electromagnetic phenomenon and therefore is potentially demonstrating an interaction with the quantum vacuum virtual plasma,” the report reads.
Therefore, we’ve still got a long road ahead of us before we’ve got energy-harvesting self-propelled intergalactic spacecraft, but these studies (assuming they’re not flawed) suggest we’ve made a major breakthrough in space propulsion systems. With further refinement, microwave thrusters could drastically cut the cost of satellites and space stations, and potentially even make it possible to travel to distant planets, like Mars, in weeks rather than months or years.
 

vostok

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Not great to see the Chinese spies have this tech already, normally they are years if not decades behind ....sees Internet hacking has paid off for them at last ...?
 

Wiggs Dannyboy

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I think "confirms" is kinda jumping the gun a bit... here's the last paragraph from your links pdf (I added the bold highlights):

"Test results indicate that the RF resonant cavity thruster design, which is unique as an electric propulsion device, is producing a force that is not attributable to any classical electromagnetic phenomenon and therefore is potentially demonstrating an interaction with the quantum vacuum virtual plasma. Future test plans include independent verification and validation at other test facilities. "

But it does seem to have more promise than any other futuristic propulsion device that's been talked about.
 

Growcephus

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Not great to see the Chinese spies have this tech already, normally they are years if not decades behind ....sees Internet hacking has paid off for them at last ...?

Yea, I had to laugh when I read the Chinese had already copied the damn thing....
 

St. Phatty

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NASA confirms ‘impossible’ thruster actually works, could revolutionize space travel

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When Roger Shawyer first unveiled his EmDrive thruster back around 2003, the scientific community laughed at him. They said it was impossible, that it was based on a flawed concept, and couldn’t work because it goes against the laws of conservation of momentum. But somehow, despite all of the reasons it shouldn’t work, it does. Scientists at NASA just confirmed it.
Shawyers engine provides thrust by “bouncing microwaves around in a closed chamber.” That’s it. There’s no need for a propellant of any kind like rocket fuel. When filled with resonating microwaves, the conical chamber of the thruster experiences a net thrust toward the wide end. These microwaves can be generated using electricity, which can be provided by solar energy.

Therefore, we’ve still got a long road ahead of us before we’ve got energy-harvesting self-propelled intergalactic spacecraft, but these studies (assuming they’re not flawed) suggest we’ve made a major breakthrough in space propulsion systems. With further refinement, microwave thrusters could drastically cut the cost of satellites and space stations, and potentially even make it possible to travel to distant planets, like Mars, in weeks rather than months or years.

What kind of Pot should I smoke to understand this rocket science ?

Double or triple the normal caffeine dose, and some Apollo 11 Sat-Dom, perhaps ? :dance013:
 

Dropped Cat

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Not great to see the Chinese spies have this tech already, normally they are years if not decades behind ....sees Internet hacking has paid off for them at last ...?


That's inaccurate, the concept was published and the
actual prototype was built in China, no spies involved,
just internet access. lol.
 

Stoner4Life

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So, I think what you're saying is this, if I trade in the tinfoil hat I wear for a solar panel and strap one of those rockets to my ass that I'll be good to go.......


:dunno:
 

Pangea

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I just read that if it does indeed work as hoped, it would take 29 or so days to go to Mars, and just a shade under 30 years to get to Proxima Centauri. :cool:
 

stoned-trout

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build one, put it in rocket ,insert OBAMA and point it towards mars.....launch.... he is a lot less valuable than a monkey
 
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OGShaman

Just the media sensationalizing yet another story.

"How to fool the world with bad science"

Did you hear about the EmDrive, the “impossible space engine?” Here are the red flags you should have looked for!

... despite headlines like Space Engine Breaks Laws of Physics?, NASA validates ‘impossible’ space drive, and EmDrive Is an Engine That Breaks the Laws of Physics and Could Take Us to Mars, the EmDrive is none of those things.

It is not a space engine; it is an apparatus that does nothing different from an empty container.

It was not validated by NASA; it was shown by NASA to be indistinguishable from a ‘null’ device.

It does not break the laws of physics; it obeys them.

And the only way it could take us to Mars is in the Stone Soup way: if something else legitimately and causally took us to Mars, and we simply brought the EmDrive along for the ride.

https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/how-to-fool-the-world-with-bad-science-7a9318dd1ae6
 
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BB420

does this mean the hoverboards from back to the future 2 are a step closer ?
 

Green81

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Guys you need to look into 0 point energy, I know it sounds outlandish and has a touch of the tin foil stereotype BUT free energy really exists, only in the last 8 years more is understood about it and the trend will continue….. ok… now I'm waiting for the ridicule :)

peace

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or now that we are willing to unveil the ailein technology we acquired long ago we say someone invented it. jk im not a concpiricy nut like that but it does make you wonder though if this has been around for some time and now that a military wants to use it publicly it would be reveiled to the world just as nasa is planning to wind down its space shuttle program
 

foomar

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Q. How can the EmDrive produce enough thrust for terrestrial applications?

A. The second generation engines will be capable of producing a specific thrust of 30kN/kW. Thus for 1 kilowatt (typical of the power in a microwave oven) a static thrust of 3 tonnes can be obtained, which is enough to support a large car. This is clearly adequate for terrestrial transport applications.


Too good to be true . . .
 

vostok

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So its worth hanging onto a pile of old microwaves I have sitting in my junky garage, as an alternative source of power to my Land Rover...? lol
 

dddaver

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No,No Stoner. What he was trying to say is, if Wiley Coyote strapped one of those babies to his ass he might catch that fuckin' Road Runner.
 
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