Florida Growers Thread; Reloaded

[Catatafish]

MK, the AC is rockin and a rollin! Icebox! You guys were right .... the hvac part was the easiest part of the install once i got a grasp of what i was doing.

Sorry i haven't posted pics but asslover turned me on to some new toys so i delayed the start a little longer so i could get everything just right. Hopefully everything should be here tomorrow and i can really get cracking. I'll grab some pics shortly after im setup again.

Im so far behind right now its not funny, at least a month due to vacation and build out...but oh well.

My shit in the v-room is so overgrown im sure this next run wont be the best due to non-uniformity but thats what i get for being slack. I'll need to hack everything in half probably. Was thinking about building some individual scrog screens to attach on the bottoms of the buckets somehow to help but that will be another delay. Its just a jungle so everytime i look in there i just cringe at the work to do. Shoulda realized this was coming and took a new batch of clones a couple weeks ago but every time i turned around i had something more or different to do that was unplanned.

All in all though should be super smooth sailing moving forward thanks to some generous minds in the forum

Sucks to hear about your issues in the veg room. I have some weirdness in mine that i need to sort out after i flip the current stuff and can actually walk in the room again. My indicator strain seems to be the ecsd....she is not very happy but still chuggin along at least. I guess thats my next project.

 

[Catatafish]

Damn Mk, thats a serious scope! Me likey!

 

[Dawn Patrol]

Damn MK, you ain't fuckin around with that bad boy. Mechanical stage, LCD screen, built in camera - you're gonna personally know each bug by name!

Mine isn't that sophisticated, no camera or LCD. The mechanical stage is priceless though - don't ever buy a scope without one. You'll probably be amazed at how much time you spend looking at trichs - they are works of art! You should be able to post up some awesome shots with that scope.

 

[MagniKhan]

Umm, what the fuck....shit, can just take the borg please

Umm, what the fuck....shit, can just take the borg please

Part II

I've gotten most of my re-potting done last night, I'll get the rest done today. I'll get the batteries charged on the camera so I snap a few pics.

Funny how things can slowly go to shit right under your nose and always at the wrong times. Thanks to the delays, other then one giant Bubba I'm out of mature girls to run.
Good thing I'm only pulling three next month, two in about week and one two weeks later. So it looks like I'll make it just by the skin of my ass. After that I should be good, anyway things could have been a lot worse.

After doing some harvesting I checked the buckets out a bit as I usually do, only this time with a bright flash light. After flicking some of the coco on top I waited for a few seconds just looking, and the before my eyes was some movement. I grabbed my lope and confirmed, all kinds of little white specs jumping around here and there. They looked almost like they had little wings.... hard to say though, they are so fucking tiny.
Now one might wonder why I would be surprised to find something under my circumstances, but hell I drench with Azamax every 10 days like clock work. I'm also always spraying the surface of my coco with neem also, so yeah I was a bit,,,, surprised.

I grabbed a can of near by Dr.Doom spider mite knock down and egregiously sprayed the area down. I returned an hour or so later and apparently interrupted a great party, cause one of them was holding a cup of the spray and was flicking me off!.....Okay I exaggerated about the cup.....

So I dug out the old USB microscope and started to look around. They were afraid of light and would move away from it, the best pic I could get was what looked like a grain of rice with antenna. I had some luck with a avi but you could see some kind of mite better then the little white feller.
So after 179 pages of "Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???" and 184 of "Broad Mites?" I can say I at lest have root aphids and might have broad mites as well. Thus the microscope.

I wondered why I kept seeing a "fungus gnat" every so often. I would just grab the neem and knock it down and hit the buckets. I've also had some issue with consistency. I've been running Chunk long enough to her pretty well and from time to time one would just go to shit on me for no apparent reason. Cindy would do close to a pound in bucket and the next one would do just over half, you could just look at her and tell she should have done better.

Guest (for time context) and I were comparing leaves at one time, I had notice he had a pic of one that looked just like some of mine. We both just shrugged if off as environment issue I believe. In the time since then I've pretty much gotten the box dialed in and it doesn't happen as much, but it does once and while.

After all of that reading it can be said that generally if your plants are healthy they won't show the signs of the infestation, but once you have some other issue or stress then that is when the damage is real evident. Or if for some reason the population explodes from the wrong kind of treatment or other kind of stress that doesn't completely kill them.
It is like most issues in life, they are dynamic and it is multiple factors that cause the real accidents or problems.

I've started treating my girls in veg with gamma cyhalothrin (Spectracide) as recommended here @ 10ml. /gallon and a slightly stronger mix in a sprayer. So far so good it looks to have killed them all in the pots.

Things don't look to bad in the flower room so I'm not going to go nuts in there. I'm going the change out to AzaSol instead of Azamax (once I use what I have, one more round) and I've gotten some concentrated pyrethrin to use as a foliar spray instead of the neem mix. I'll keep the neem in the plan somewhere I'm just changing up the program some.

Can anyone recommend a good [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Insecticidal soap[/FONT]?

Sorry, I didn't get pics up yet, I've been all over the place, hell I started posting this 4 hours ago.
One thing is for sure, we are about see mug shot's of my little microscopic foe, hopefully just there little carcases. As for the possibility of broad mites, we will wait and see once the scope is here, I saw more then one "kind". Seeing as how I don't completely know what all the stages of the root aphid look like I can really start pointing out what is what.

And OH yes, we I'm gonna post some trich pics, in 5 mega pixel glory!

Off to clone some GG and re-pot the rest of the babies.

Be Safe,
MK

 

[Catatafish]

MK, are they spring tails? Tiny little frickin white "jumpers"....can barely see em.

I notice they seem to come "pre-installed" in the bags of coco. I dont think they are harmful if thats what they are.

I have noticed when watering coco by hand with a saucer below that they seem to be in saucer swimming after nutes drain out of the medium into the saucer. Had zilch effect on my last run with a couple coco plants. They were not in the rdwc systems i had next to them, just the coco so im thinking its in the canna bags. Plus i read other people having similar issues.

Freaked me out at first till i read up a little. Some say they may be beneficial for breaking things down...??

Just a thought.

 

[Catatafish]

Ugh...i just googled a pic of em again, lol they are pretty ugly blown up 100x

 

[Morcheeba*]

MK,

if you have root aphids then you should see symptoms of a Mg def. and if they have developed to fliers then you have a battle on your hands.

i had them years ago and lost many plants before i used a systemic in veg to break the cycle...i also transplanted one plant into fresh worm dirt w/all kind of soil bugs, rolly poly's, worms and many other bugs i cant id and to my surprise the RA's died. i also watered that plant with worm casting tea and i posted my result in the RA thread and member Zor stated it was chiten in the WC that broke the cycle of life of the ra.

ill dig up some info that may help.


https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6466195&postcount=24


articles regarding Chitin
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9501415
http://www.jpbsonline.org/article.a...lume=5;issue=1;spage=21;epage=29;aulast=Hamid

peace

 

[MagniKhan]

MK, are they spring tails? Tiny little frickin white "jumpers"....can barely see em.

I notice they seem to come "pre-installed" in the bags of coco. I dont think they are harmful if thats what they are.

I have noticed when watering coco by hand with a saucer below that they seem to be in saucer swimming after nutes drain out of the medium into the saucer. Had zilch effect on my last run with a couple coco plants. They were not in the rdwc systems i had next to them, just the coco so im thinking its in the canna bags. Plus i read other people having similar issues.

Freaked me out at first till i read up a little. Some say they may be beneficial for breaking things down...??

Just a thought.

That was my first thought. Some looked just like them, some not so much. Hell even looking at the pics online it hard to nail down one pic that says " this is a springtail". Colors and shapes seems to vary, so do the pics of FA's for that matter.

That is why I did just a light treatment to my girls in veg. The Gamma is a bit harsher then I usually use but it is usable on food and is not systematic.

MK,

if you have root aphids then you should see symptoms of a Mg def. and if they have developed to fliers then you have a battle on your hands.

i had them years ago and lost many plants before i used a systemic in veg to break the cycle...i also transplanted one plant into fresh worm dirt w/all kind of soil bugs, rolly poly's, worms and many other bugs i cant id and to my surprise the RA's died. i also watered that plant with worm casting tea and i posted my result in the RA thread and member Zor stated it was chiten in the WC that broke the cycle of life of the ra.

ill dig up some info that may help.


https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6466195&postcount=24


articles regarding Chitin
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9501415
http://www.jpbsonline.org/article.a...lume=5;issue=1;spage=21;epage=29;aulast=Hamid

peace

Thanks for the info, it will be useful.
I have seen some Mg deficiencies as well as some other systems found in the thread, I read every last page.
With that being said I do temper what I read with the knowledge of past experiences (freak outs). After reading the TMV thread years ago I was convinced that I had a screaming case of TMV. I almost shut down and started over.
Turns out it was just wild ph swings that were pissing them off.

Same with smart meters, FLIR, cops watching grow shops (I only went when I was first starting), forums narcs, etc...there can be a bit of hysteria at first. Once you have time to digest it and apply reason and logic then you can make a solid decision about said situation......or carry on with your delusion.

As I said above, I done one precautionary treatment to further hold them at bay. So far most of plants are healthy and showing no real signs of damage except for the spider mites I'm fighting, and that is on the decline.
On the other side of things, if I do, then I just kicked them in the proverbial nuts and I better get ready to dance.....and yes, I did pack a lunch!


Thanks for the support brothers, Be Safe,
MK

 

[Catatafish]

Lol, dont spend too much time in the infirmary or you will think you have everything thats in there I gotta stay out of there unless im really in trouble.

I did have a hard time picking up on the springtails vs. others as well. They seemed to be "backstroking" in the nutes as someone else stated....(i got a kick out of that ) I had no other signs of defs at the time so thats pretty much what led me to "believe" they were springs. Trust me i was freaking out too as i thought i had something else .... then had to take deep breath and step back and apply logic just as you stated. I could see them "spring" around in the water if you watch em for a little bit, kinda like a flea. Mine seemed to be pretty much uniformed in color/shape/size.

Maybe you have a "cocktail o' critters" that has some of each, ugghh. Better to be safe than sorry with a dose as you did. Hoping you dont have anything serious to deal with.

 

[Catatafish]

Mine all seemed to be whitish, pretty much like that first hit in google images. Tiny little f-er's.

Im getting ready to pull some stuff out the jungle tonight....ill water and see if there are any in current things and take a pic or scope if i can.

 

[Catatafish]

Asslover, that tubing arrived and is just as you described. I have never seen tubing like that anywhere before. System is super nice

 

[GrownOut]

Hope ya get the bug issues sorted soon MK. Fucking hate having to deal with that shit, just beat spider mites and thrips. So I can definitely relate to what your going through. Sucks even more when it effects plants that were up for flower next.

 

[Coba]

Yeah man, my condolences too MK. Bad bugs suck.

I'm all about the living soil too Morcheeba*. one thing I noticed with a living soil full of bugs, is when I get an over load of one type of bug like say springtails... a few days later I notice the predators will start to dominate like brown mites or even centipedes ...

MK have you tried spinosad? sounds like you want to stay somewhat chemical free. I use spinosad (5mL) mixed with neem oil (5mL) mixed with some fresh aloe vera juice (about 5mL) in a 32 ounce spray bottle. that shit will kill carpenter ants on contact. it knocks out all my outside bug problems usually with just one dose... aphids on the tomatoes, scale on the citrus, thrips on the roses ... I haven't had the opportunity to try it on white flies yet. knock on wood.

but yeah, spinosad's a good knock em down chemical free pesticide.

 

[Asslover]

Asslover, that tubing arrived and is just as you described. I have never seen tubing like that anywhere before. System is super nice

Right on! Getting ready to order a 100' role of the 3/4". How's the Mitsu working?

 

[Asslover]

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WHOA! What's that?

 

[Asslover]

MK, are they spring tails? Tiny little frickin white "jumpers"....can barely see em.

I notice they seem to come "pre-installed" in the bags of coco. I dont think they are harmful if thats what they are.

I have noticed when watering coco by hand with a saucer below that they seem to be in saucer swimming after nutes drain out of the medium into the saucer. Had zilch effect on my last run with a couple coco plants. They were not in the rdwc systems i had next to them, just the coco so im thinking its in the canna bags. Plus i read other people having similar issues.

Freaked me out at first till i read up a little. Some say they may be beneficial for breaking things down...??

Just a thought.

What they do is eat dead roots. However, it seems that whenever i have a huge amount of them in my runoff inevitably the roots of the plant are not as healthy as the ones with no springtails. The plants with bone white roots never have any in the runoff. At least that's been my experience

 

[Catatafish]

I think i did order damn near 100, at least 80' including what came with the add on kits.

Mitsu working good!

 

[GrownOut]

WHOA! What's that?

Animal Cookies in week 8. She is definitely one of my favorites for the personal stash.

 

[Catatafish]

P-Nut i keep forgetting to ask if you popped any of the bodhi cbh x bigsir's yet?

I was looking at that thread again where the dude in trailer was running em and getting the droolz.

 

[Asslover]

Animal Cookies in week 8. She is definitely one of my favorites for the personal stash.

She looks absolutely delicious!