loose airy buds

[Billsharp]

I am running Serious seeds white russian, I have harvested twice now from seed and will harvest again in mid july, growing in two rooms, one for veg the other for flower, 600w metal halide in veg and 600w high pressure sodium in flower, both times the buds end up light and airy, smoke is good, plenty of trichomes, yeild is good but the buds are not dense, I keep the light as close as possible to top of cola without burning, temps were 75-79 range, per Serious seeds the plant should have dense buds. the harvest coming mid july I expect to have problems as I had heat issues for a couple of weeks. I have changed the set up for the future plants now in veg.Added 2 lights to veg room one hortilux Blue and the other metal halide both 600w, also flower room has 2 high pressure sodium, the last harvest was one plant only so it got all the light with no other plants, the 1st harvest was three plants about 4 1/2 foot tall, I use maxibloom all the way through. I have started adding floralicious plus all the way through veg and bloom, what is missing that needs to change for dense thick buds?

 

[BoldAsLove]

Is there any possiblity you are harvesting too soon?

 

[RonSmooth]

Is there any possibility you are harvesting too soon?

The plant in the pics has a ways to go before harvest. It will put on weight and density in the last few weeks.

Your environment sounds fine, the lighting is sufficient as described.

My setup is very similar. The 600w HPS, maxibloom, temps and plant size. I dont have problems with bud development. S

I did however get better results when I upgraded from my cheap reflector to a blockbuster. The light distribution/coverage is much better. I noticed a difference in quality of harvest

Putting the tops too close to the light can be detrimental. The dont have to be right up against a 600w. Although the room may be 80, the temp of the tops could be much hotter.

When are you harvesting? How many weeks?

If you have had this problem multiple times, I would try a different strain.

 

[touringfunkband]

In my experience the number one factor to the density of buds is simply the genetics.

 

[Billsharp]

here are pictures of current grow

here are pictures of current grow

these entered flowering room 5/18/14, so they are at week 5 of flowering, this group have had multiple issues from nitro deficiency in early flowering fixed to high heat for a couple of weeks top were 82 and root level 78ish. the first harvest was at 8 weeks, 2nd at 9 weeks, I will try to let these go to 10 weeks, after 8 I check trichomes daily and do not want to let them go to amber. The second harvest the buds seemed heavy as the branches were not supporting them as they were heavy. but when dried and cured they were light and airy

 

[fuzzdog]

I think its your nutes.....for my two cents... seems to look like you dont use a extensive mix or nute program..id look to the problem there.

try using Fox Farms bloom nute trilogy... open sesame, cha ching, bllom blaster, etc.. They sell a bloom package with all three......its like in the mid price range....

if it doesnt help with your next run then id dont know what to tell you

i run my lights about 16 inches off the canopy, closer sometimes in laziness....
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your seed is sound

it has to be nutrition.

hope you get them rock hard buds in the future....

 

[stoned40yrs]

In my experience the number one factor to the density of buds is simply the genetics.

Bingo! My friends grow this one strain with low density buds and I always thought it was the growers nutes or lights. So last run I grow this strain to show them how to do it- 1000w vert hanging right next to this tree. Fail, light airy buds, no matter the environment. You can't beat genetics, you want apples then don't start out with pear seeds.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

definately not your nutes. if the genetics are there for dense buds youll achieve dense buds as long as you keep the plants fed to the degree they look healthy. all the bloom bossters do is increase the p and k to eek a little more lerformance out of the weight. when i say a little i really mean it. we are talking 10-20 percent tops which is actually pretty unlikely if you are already running a complete nute program. if you are running mb you are likely at about 95 percent of what you can achieve with just nutes alone. other more critical factors are enviroment.10 perrcent from nutes 10 percent from co2 enrichment. 10 percent from dialed temp humidity ratio 10 percent from proper plant canopy management, 10 percent from dialed root zone enviroment now youre talking big increases. ive seen harvest of the same clone in the same room swing from 1.5 # a light to over 2.1 with these factors aligning correctly. maxibloom done well vs fancy nute program in the same environment will likely not be a huge difference if at all. maybe around 10-20 gains at the very best. maybe. probably 10% or less honestly.mb is pretty complete.

 

[jayt]

At what rate are you using maxibloom?

 

[Billsharp]

I use the maxibloom 1tsp per gal once a week, I stop feeding around week 6-7, I also have some burnt tips around week 6-7, not major burns

 

[Billsharp]

ok well, another harvest this time let them go to 10 weeks, still seem to have loose airy buds, trichomes were very milky looking and the smell is way different, according to Claude at Serious seeds they should be dense buds, the genetics anyway, but he also mentioned they had the loose airy buds in Hydro sometimes, and since I am doing Coco in drain to wast it is basically a passive hydro, so I am switching over to organic soil in a couple of months, I will harvest out what I have started and there are clones which hit just came out into the big world on the 7/27, there are other plants in groups spaced about 2-3 weeks apart in various stages 3 groups in flower and 2 groups in veg, once everything moves to flower I will start the new to me organic soil program, also switching my lights to air cooled reflectors 1000w, I also plan to add new strains when I switch over, not sure what yet but I have some great help from experienced growers now.

 

[jayt]

1 teaspoon per gallon is not enough. You will be calcium and magnesium deficient for sure at that rate. I bet you aren't seeing tip burn but signs of underfeeding. Either that or maxibloom is not a good one part mix. Calcium and magnesium levels won't be high enough until at least 9mL per gallon. 1 teaspoon is 5mL.

 

[jayt]

I didn't check the ppm of the npk but only cal and mag. And at the 5mL per gallon you are at about half what they should be getting.

 

[Billsharp]

ok ,I am adding cal mag to the mix now,