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Pot may be legal, but homeowner agreements can ban

yortbogey

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DENVER — Pot may be legal in some states — but the neighbors don’t have to like it.

Marijuana and hemp have joined wacky paint colors and unsightly fences as common neighborhood disputes facing homeowners’ associations. Though a few HOAs have willingly changed their rules to accommodate for legal marijuana use or home-growing, many more are banning home pot smoking.

Homeowners’ associations can’t ban members from using marijuana in their homes when it’s legal. But if neighbors can see or smell weed, the law is clear — HOAs have every right to regulate the drug as a nuisance, or a threat to children along the lines of a swimming pool with no fence.

“The fact that people may be legally entitled to smoke doesn’t mean they can do it wherever they want, any more than they could walk into a restaurant and light up a cigarette,” said Richard Thompson, who owns a management consulting company that specializes in condominium and homeowner associations.

Thompson said his home condo development in Portland, Ore., is a prime example of how marijuana’s growing acceptance has sparked neighbor conflicts.

“As soon as spring and summer come around, we hear complaints about marijuana smoke because people are out on their patios and they have the windows down,” he said.

It’s not clear how many homeowners’ associations have confronted marijuana conflicts in the 23 states with some form of legal marijuana. But lawyers who specialize in HOA disputes, as well as a Colorado regulatory agency that advises HOAs, say there are growing conflicts among neighbors who want to smoke pot and others who don’t want to see it or smell it.

“What we’re really seeing more now is regulating the associations’ common areas,” such as smoke wafting onto playgrounds or others’ porches, said Erin McManis, an attorney in Phoenix whose firm represents hundreds of Arizona HOAs.

The Carrillo Ranch homeowners association in Chandler, Ariz., earlier this year took the rare step of withdrawing a proposed ban on residents smoking medical marijuana in their front and backyards and on their patios.

The HOA planned a meeting on the topic in March, but withdrew the proposal after many residents opposed the ban as too harsh.

“This is a personal-freedom issue where people were going to dictate how other people should live,” Carrillo Ranch resident Tom LaBonte told The Arizona Republic in February, when the HOA dropped its proposal.

HOA lawyers say the Carrillo Ranch case illustrates the value of HOAs when the law changes, as with marijuana.

“Coming together and working on issues is something associations have been doing for a long time,” McManis said. “We’re hopeful that’s how it’s going to go forward now with medical marijuana.”

Smoke isn’t the only neighbor complaint posed by loosening marijuana laws. Growing pot and hemp is prompting neighbor disputes, too.

A suburban Denver retiree learned the hard way this spring that he needed neighbors’ permission before growing hemp. Jim Denny, of Brighton, Colo., learned about marijuana’s non-intoxicating cousin and decided to try the crop on a 75-by-100-foot plot in his yard.

But Denny’s hemp plot ran afoul of his homeowners’ association, which ruled the hemp experiment unacceptable.

“As soon as they heard about it, they said, ‘We’re not going to let anyone grow marijuana here,”’ Denny said. “I explained to them that hemp is not marijuana, but they were dead-set against it.”

So with his hemp plants about 2 feet tall, Denny invited hemp activists to come transplant them to somewhere without opposition from a homeowner association. Denny sold the plants for about $3 each, a good price for a plant whose seeds can cost up to $10 each because it can’t be imported.

Hemp activists volunteered to pay Denny’s fines for flouting the HOA, which could have run to $600 a day. But Denny decided that living peacefully with his neighbors trumped making a political point.

“I had people calling up and saying, ‘It’s just a shame; we’ll pay your fines all the way through to the end.’ But I decided in the end not to fight it,” said Denny, a technical writer and former software engineer. “At the end of the day, I live here.”



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rives

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Case in point -

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014...uild-furniture-for-military-families-in-need/

"NEVADA COUNTY (CBS13) — A war veteran who builds furniture in his garage and gives it to military families in need could be forced to shut down the saws.

A homeowners association is telling Dennis Kocher he needs to close up shop after years of doing business, or he could be fined between $100 and $1,000.

“I may not paint, sand, cut wood or screw on the property at anytime,” he said.

The new mandate cuts deep, as he’s been building cabinets and dressers for a decade, donating most to military families."
 

90days

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FYI if you live in fl the max your fines can go up to is $1000. Once it reaches that level they cannot fine you anymore money until it is paid off. Just a riminder to check your state statues or talk to a realisate attorney to see where you stand. These homeowner associations bank on people who are uninformed.
 

armedoldhippy

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FYI if you live in fl the max your fines can go up to is $1000. Once it reaches that level they cannot fine you anymore money until it is paid off. Just a riminder to check your state statues or talk to a realisate attorney to see where you stand. These homeowner associations bank on people who are uninformed.

so, the fine hits $1000, you tell them to F##K off & everything stays as it is until you pay the fine? maybe legalizing weed aint the answer, but decriminalizing with a max fine of $1000 instead?:biggrin:
 

Stoner4Life

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I wonder just how many homes with minor children have unlocked refrigerators and beer in them from one coast to the other, never mind only HOA's and such, you've got to address and expose these folks as the hypocrites that they are.

this shit has to be nipped in the bud :canabis:

 
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OGShaman

I read these mainstream city forums that are mostly about local issues, real estate, relocating to new cities, etc. I read the Denver and Colorado boards quite a bit, and it's sad to see that even though there are many people like us that are happy to see legalization moving forward, even if it's not our own state, there are just as many that view legalization, and even medical before that, as destroying the state of Colorado.

Their biggest complaint seems to be all the people that have moved there just for cannabis, and people post every day asking where to live :biggrin:
 

Sisu

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It's going a bit far when they tell someone they can't screw on their own property :biggrin:

Another reason I prefer a rural existence.
 

stoned-trout

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reminds me of the insanity of the condo association when I lived in florida...all kind of fucked up rules and bullshit...couldn't stand them I called em condo commandos...
 

90days

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so, the fine hits $1000, you tell them to F##K off & everything stays as it is until you pay the fine? maybe legalizing weed aint the answer, but decriminalizing with a max fine of $1000 instead?:biggrin:

You got it! All they can do after that is put a lien on your property for $1000 and you dont have to pay it until you sell your house.
 

Jhhnn

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I love Denver, and my older neighborhood in particular. No silly HOA & code enforcement so lax that even I wish they'd tighten up a little sometimes.

The guy across the alley kept a dead car w/ expired plates in plain sight (Driver's door against the alley) for 3 years before they ticketed him.
 

bmp420gti

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a lot of cities in the bay now are banning outdoor growing alltogether, including greenhouses in backyards. I never thought things would get better then suddenly get substantially worse for us here.
 
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