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Is Vert right for me? Stealth Grow Cab W/ pics :)

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Medicaided

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Hello,

I've been lurking on here for a few months now. Esp when I was starting to build my first stealth grow cab. Its finished now and I was a little disappointed at the promises of only one plants yield... So I started looking in to microgrow's SOG etc and then growing vertical came up and well it just seems right.

Please note this is my very first grow so excuse any noob shit.

So below i will post my original Cab fit to grow 1 plant to full bloom, utilizing RDWC hydroponics.

Next, I half tear my cab apart to demonstrate how I would use Vert.

What I'm hoping to get from my vert system:
8 small plants
Drip Irrigation system
Fast harvests
Perpetual grow, cloning every harvest
12/12 light from clone

I would really like your guys opinions on the hut and if my Vert design is possible. Any advice or criticism welcome!

Original Hut:



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M

Medicaided

Member
Now here is the vertical setup I have in mind.





The inline fan sucks air straight from the cab through the cool tube and out through the carbon filter. Which will be sealed off from the cab and heat vented from all around the bottom. My AC connects to the box to cool so temps aren't a problem.

The PVC pipes would be filled with hydrotron and irrigated with drip through the top. and the bottom would drain back into the reservoir.

I think I have room for atleast 8 plants but would like advice before cut and breaking more stuff!


Thanks!
 
GrowerGoneWild

GrowerGoneWild

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Medicaided said:
Now here is the vertical setup I have in mind.

I think I have room for atleast 8 plants but would like advice before cut and breaking more stuff!

Thanks!
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Dang. that cab looks sweet.!

My only problem when working with that vert setup is the clogging or slowing of drainback because of the rootball. It could overflow.

Hope this helps
 
M

Medicaided

Member
Could this be fixed by using something other than hydrotron in the PVC? I was looking in to aerophonics but its seems expensive. I see you have a link to an aero grow. how much would it cost to add the sprayers etc to each of those sets of 2?
 
Scrappy-doo

Scrappy-doo

Well-known member
Wow man that is a sweet little stealth cab! I'd love to see how you have that exhaust set up. How loud is it with the door closed can you hear the exhaust fan or air flow? Very cool!

I used to use those exact same pvc fittings 4 stacked on top of each with coco coir in a vert scrog. Worked beautifully.
 
Bueno Time

Bueno Time

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No help on your question but wanted to say that remote controlled electromagnetic door lock is legit. Very nice.
 
GrowerGoneWild

GrowerGoneWild

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Medicaided said:
Could this be fixed by using something other than hydrotron in the PVC? I was looking in to aerophonics but its seems expensive. I see you have a link to an aero grow. how much would it cost to add the sprayers etc to each of those sets of 2?
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I dont think its a function of media, or fluid delivery, rootballs tend to clog. Perhaps an overflow if things tend to get high. I recently had a large spill in a recirculating dutch pot system, one pot clogged and instead of going to the return it ended up on the ground. Something to think about.

Low pressure aeroponics isnt really expensive. But it is touchy as far as keeping sprayers clean, and you are somewhat limited IMHO, to what nutrient to use. I tend to shy away from high solids in these type of systems.
 
Scrappy-doo

Scrappy-doo

Well-known member
I had 4 of them stacked and filled to the brim with coco. Grill end cap on the bottom. Vegged them stacked but placed horizontally under t5's then flipped it upright when ready. Usually they were about a 12" bush when I put them into flower.

I made an L shape support using a 10"x10"x2" piece of wood for a platform and a 1"x3"x4' going up the back that I secured the pvc to. Then had a cut piece of fence secured to the L support. In the end it was just one solid piece I could pick up and put wherever I wanted. Had 6 of them around a 600.

I might have some pics stored on a flash drive somewhere I'd have to look.
 
M

Medicaided

Member
Scrappy I'd really like to see some pics and did you irrigate from the plant site or the top? Also, where did you drain too back to res or ? And you did not put any space between the Y joints that hold the plants right? Because if so I might make them all 3 high but i need more root space I'll space out the 2 for each unit.


What does anyone think about increasing the amount of plant sites? Like if I add more plant sites and obviously have even smaller plants compared to 8 small but a little bigger plants? How does one find the sweet spot?
 
L

LSWM

Active member
What are the temps in the cab with lights on? Coco does extremely well without worry about temps, I would say less than with hydroton, but it could really depend on a # of things...

If you are putting rooted clones into those sites, even if both sites were filled with coco and had roots growing out, as long as the bottom was capped and there was no sitting water for them to follow, I really doubt you would get problems with clogging. With drip in hydroton i would expect you would have to water much more continuously, thus giving tge plants a path of water to follow.

EDIT: And in all honesty I would just go top fed coco dtw. Filling those tubes up to the top of the second plant site and watering just like you have planned I think would work perfectly, and you wouldn't need to worry about clogging at all. Just emptying the drain pan every few days/week.
 
M

Medicaided

Member
My cab gets up too 120 with out the AC hook up I made to the intake. With my AC hook up I can maintain the temps at mid 80s to as low as 73. mid 80s doesn't cost much to run.

And I will be starting out with some seeds I got from local dealers 2 are good quality strains and 3 are just bag seed. This is my first time growing but I plan to 12/12 them from seed to force sex clone them and flower them out and then clean the hut and start my clones.

I ordered some GH Coco Coir should be here soon.

Just emptying the drain pan every few days/week.
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So how much water should drain out the bottom with coco? because I've been going crazy trying to think how to drain each tube back to reservoir. If I can just put a plastic dish under it and call it a day I will be happy.
 
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LSWM

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You don't HAVE to have runoff all the time. If you keep your ec low 1-1.2 you could just flush once a week and probably be fine. Just don't let the coco dry all the way out...

I will water my pots ~3-6 times a day in full flower and I aim to just barely hit runoff at lights on, then just keep watering to keep them in the right zone.

The problem with the trays is that the coco/roots end up sitting in the nutrient solution you are trying to flush away, could be fine or disastrous depending on what the plants were eating.. Safer to just flush once in a while. I'd also suggest getting a timer with second increments or at least 15 sec increments, then control flow with ball valves. Of you dont you will end upwith a lot more runoff than you would want. Mistkind seconds timer is my drip timer of choice, that or ct-1 cycle timer.

If it were me I would try to get all the tubes emptying into a catch pan/Rubbermaid bin below the floor of the cab and put a screen in the pipes to contain the coco.
 
M

Medicaided

Member
Thanks for the link it will really help when it comes to watering I dont think I will need to water too much or I will run out of root space fast..

As for the tray I spent yesterday making the floor of my cab drain out in the right corner straight back in to the res. and all the pump tubes are ran inside of the drain tube so once the drain tube is attached to the res the cab will be air tight again.

I'll take some pics tomorrow after I finish the towers

I have to get more Y pvc im going to make each tower 3 high I think with a total of 4 towers x 3 plants per tower = 12 total small plants.
 
Scrappy-doo

Scrappy-doo

Well-known member
Medicaided said:
Scrappy I'd really like to see some pics and did you irrigate from the plant site or the top? Also, where did you drain too back to res or ? And you did not put any space between the Y joints that hold the plants right? Because if so I might make them all 3 high but i need more root space I'll space out the 2 for each unit.


What does anyone think about increasing the amount of plant sites? Like if I add more plant sites and obviously have even smaller plants compared to 8 small but a little bigger plants? How does one find the sweet spot?
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No space between them I just assembled the 4 together and stuffed it all with coco. Fed from the top. I had a drip tray that I put under the bottom one and watered by hand. I just made sure there was a little runoff with each watering.

I see nothing negative about adding more plant sites other than possibly having too much of a canopy but hey that's not a bad problem to have.
 
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