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Cloning versus revegging
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Johnnyseed
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Icmag has been the most informative forum sight I've ever been on. 10 years of growing and ive never learned as much as I have ANYWHERE else.
This topic of revegging really has my attention. I clone like crazy, but just how long exactly does it take to reveg a plant?
This topic of revegging really has my attention. I clone like crazy, but just how long exactly does it take to reveg a plant?
It's too hard to answer that question, man. Depends on too many factors. It could take anywhere from 1 week to 2 months according to what others have said here. In my own experience, averaging all the multitude of strains I've grown, it takes around 2 to 3 weeks for most strains.
^ Thanks for the clarification. 
No, you are right, revegging a cutting that has already been in flowering would be a quicker process than revegging the entire plant said cutting came from. In fact, if space isn't an issue, one could reveg the entire plant AND take cuttings to reveg, just for redundancy's sake. In my scenario, since I do have extra space, I find revegging plants to be the easiest thing to do with little to no extra work on my part. Whereas, admittedly, I have lost cuttings before due to neglect, forgetting about them, or things getting in the way and then they dry up before I get back to them. That's just me, and my chaotic lifestyle, lol.
But yes, it's true, that you can take cuttings all the way up to the bitter end and still be able to reveg them, theoretically.
No, you are right, revegging a cutting that has already been in flowering would be a quicker process than revegging the entire plant said cutting came from. In fact, if space isn't an issue, one could reveg the entire plant AND take cuttings to reveg, just for redundancy's sake. In my scenario, since I do have extra space, I find revegging plants to be the easiest thing to do with little to no extra work on my part. Whereas, admittedly, I have lost cuttings before due to neglect, forgetting about them, or things getting in the way and then they dry up before I get back to them. That's just me, and my chaotic lifestyle, lol.
But yes, it's true, that you can take cuttings all the way up to the bitter end and still be able to reveg them, theoretically.
Yep, I hear that. Whatever works for ya.
Damageinaz
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I've never been able to reveg in a week, even with transplanting, it takes that long for the plant to get over the shock of the light change. I don't get proper new growth for at least 2 weeks, maybe I'm doing somthing wrong, when re vegging it's standard to do to soil change. Sometimes even root pruning helps and adding rooting hormone speeds it up to.
I have to read this thread! for now, I have did reveg and of course clone as well. I don't claim to be an expert by any means so feel free to disregard whatever I say. I have had horrible luck cloning, so I got an ez cloner. That helped considerably, but still I get a decent percentage that rot before they root, and a dismal percentage that survive after transplant to soilless mix. I learned to compensate by starting way more clones than I need (may have something to do with cloning in well into flowering most of the time), but still the survival rate is low. When I revegged, I got some phenomenal plants that came back hard and did far better than the original plant, but also had some that made a million branches (yeah in retrospect I should have thinned most branches) and amounted to the equivalent of an afro of wispy shit (no disrespect intended). Anyway, both methods have their merit.
ilikbeans
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i got one and three fingers in a week with the mazar i re veg, im sure not all do but that was my most resent re veg . i left one arm on it ,18hr and a good feed i she was very happy to start over . ive waitd over a month befor but i never did a soil change that time and didnt save even close to an arm.
Peace , ILB
Peace , ILB
I have been revegging plants I want to save for a while now because I used to be a dumb fuck and couldn't root shit - I root popsicle sticks regularly these days but I still like to be lazy and select from revegged plants when applicable.. I see the reveg as a final test of the genetics - I can tell if I want to keep a plant based on how it veg's the first time, how the flowers look and finally how they smoke... So if the first two boxes are ticked the reveg is like a fourth optional test before I get to smoke it - if a plant can reveg with ease I consider it a sign of strength in the genetics..
I'll update this post with a pic, I recently did a selection from my Adubb x Tres Dawg hybrid and found only one plant of 9 total (5 fems) that I wanted to keep. It yielded outrageously and took all the stress of being grown indoors, thrown outside in a heat wave and flowered out beautifully... Didn't take any clones but I wanted to keep it around so I revegged it and it passed that final test with flying colors....
Don't be afraid to root prune when revegging. In fact, root prune the shit out of them. I have been unsuccessful revegging plants which I did not first root prune, an entire 3 gallon root ball transplanted into a 5 gallon bucket was the reason I lost my Daywrecker mom... Too much root mass on a few nodes stifles the plants ability to drink imo.
I take a knife to my root balls when I want to reveg... I leave maybe 2-3 inches from the base of the trunk and about half the height of the medium... I also slap the shit out of the remaining root mass to free it of excess medium. Everything else gets tossed. Transplant into a bigger container after root pruning and water sparingly until the plant starts to drink more... I usually just do the first water and the plant is good for at least a week or two, maybe longer. This promotes vigorous root expansion and sets out the first nodes with gusto...
I'll update this post with a pic, I recently did a selection from my Adubb x Tres Dawg hybrid and found only one plant of 9 total (5 fems) that I wanted to keep. It yielded outrageously and took all the stress of being grown indoors, thrown outside in a heat wave and flowered out beautifully... Didn't take any clones but I wanted to keep it around so I revegged it and it passed that final test with flying colors....
Don't be afraid to root prune when revegging. In fact, root prune the shit out of them. I have been unsuccessful revegging plants which I did not first root prune, an entire 3 gallon root ball transplanted into a 5 gallon bucket was the reason I lost my Daywrecker mom... Too much root mass on a few nodes stifles the plants ability to drink imo.
I take a knife to my root balls when I want to reveg... I leave maybe 2-3 inches from the base of the trunk and about half the height of the medium... I also slap the shit out of the remaining root mass to free it of excess medium. Everything else gets tossed. Transplant into a bigger container after root pruning and water sparingly until the plant starts to drink more... I usually just do the first water and the plant is good for at least a week or two, maybe longer. This promotes vigorous root expansion and sets out the first nodes with gusto...
Re vegging is the way forward if you can't take clones. I clone in soil and have great succsess rates, I rarely loose anything.
This last time I used a brown Medicen bottle and put my snips directly in it after dipping in cloneing hormone powder, I left it on a sunny window sill and changed the water every day or two, I had a 100% root rate. I doubt it would work in the winter. But it was real easy. For my first year of growing I had a lot of trouble rooting snips. That was back in the OG days.
When I take cuttings I take very small ones I cut the tips of branches off and leav about a inch of stem which I then cut vertically from the bottom, if it has a hard stem I scrape the sides of the bottom of the cut before I make my vertical cut. Up to about half a inch from the bottom. I then plant directly into soil and put them on a heat tray with a couple of cheap cfl bedside lamps. I find the lower light levels help a lot, I keep the soil ringing wet untill I see new growth, I don't put anything over the top to keep it humid as I find it hard to keep them alive when I take it away. I keep them in a dark cupboard with no fan. No windows, I find they dry out if there is to much airflow. I only do this till I see new growth then I treat them like proper plants. I usually get them to root in ten days, with my old aero cloner I could get snips rooted in a week or less.
I always get people say that I do it wrong and that my snips are to small so they will die, Most of the time the people who tell me this have trouble with cloneing. I had this dude I know get right pissy when I gave him some snips and they died, he said it was because I cut them to small, lol even now when I speak to him he has a couple of cuts root out of ten. I had to show him how I root and he still wouldn't have it, I've tried loads of different ways off cloneing and this one is the one I've had most succsess with.i always try new methods.
This last time I used a brown Medicen bottle and put my snips directly in it after dipping in cloneing hormone powder, I left it on a sunny window sill and changed the water every day or two, I had a 100% root rate. I doubt it would work in the winter. But it was real easy. For my first year of growing I had a lot of trouble rooting snips. That was back in the OG days.
When I take cuttings I take very small ones I cut the tips of branches off and leav about a inch of stem which I then cut vertically from the bottom, if it has a hard stem I scrape the sides of the bottom of the cut before I make my vertical cut. Up to about half a inch from the bottom. I then plant directly into soil and put them on a heat tray with a couple of cheap cfl bedside lamps. I find the lower light levels help a lot, I keep the soil ringing wet untill I see new growth, I don't put anything over the top to keep it humid as I find it hard to keep them alive when I take it away. I keep them in a dark cupboard with no fan. No windows, I find they dry out if there is to much airflow. I only do this till I see new growth then I treat them like proper plants. I usually get them to root in ten days, with my old aero cloner I could get snips rooted in a week or less.
I always get people say that I do it wrong and that my snips are to small so they will die, Most of the time the people who tell me this have trouble with cloneing. I had this dude I know get right pissy when I gave him some snips and they died, he said it was because I cut them to small, lol even now when I speak to him he has a couple of cuts root out of ten. I had to show him how I root and he still wouldn't have it, I've tried loads of different ways off cloneing and this one is the one I've had most succsess with.i always try new methods.
Rusty Trichome
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Don't know how I lost this thread subscription...but oh well. With it went my photo's. If anyone needs, I might have copies around here somewhere.
I have personally seen 'genetic drift' and latent expressions, as has every gardener on this forum. Every time you switch from growth stage to flowering, her latent expressions emerge. (hopefully, lol) Happens all the time with strains that have not been stabilized, too. Try breeding. It'll change your mind about what you think genes do.
The latent expressions are there to help the plants deal with whatever situation the plant might encounter in the wild. Not seen till the plant needs it. Topping and supercropping can bring-forth latent expressions, too.
If you leave the root ball intact for the re-veg, you will be likely to encounter root bound issues, major ph swings as the buffers fade, and the soil will lose it's capacity to retain moisture. And if you up-pot, the larger footprint might be an issue in the veg room. I've been there, I've done that.
I have taken girls that have been stressed to the point of throwing nanners. Know what happens when you re-veg an accidentally forced hermie? (one not already prone to hermaphroditism) They re-veg fine with no new nanners. Again...I've been there and done that.
Maturity (old age) can bring-forth latent (unseen, undiscovered, hidden from view) characteristics that were, until re-veg, hidden.
Using different nutrients can alter flavors and aroma's, too...if there's extreme differences in the nutrient blends, micronutes, latent expressions can be brought-forth. Ya never know...those new expressions might just result in a stronger, faster strain that is the key to "the eternal buzz"...
I know...experience can be soooo over-rated, lol. But I have more than 10 years experience with the technique.
I have personally seen 'genetic drift' and latent expressions, as has every gardener on this forum. Every time you switch from growth stage to flowering, her latent expressions emerge. (hopefully, lol) Happens all the time with strains that have not been stabilized, too. Try breeding. It'll change your mind about what you think genes do.
The latent expressions are there to help the plants deal with whatever situation the plant might encounter in the wild. Not seen till the plant needs it. Topping and supercropping can bring-forth latent expressions, too.
Once vegetative growth resumes, she's a happy camper.
If you leave the root ball intact for the re-veg, you will be likely to encounter root bound issues, major ph swings as the buffers fade, and the soil will lose it's capacity to retain moisture. And if you up-pot, the larger footprint might be an issue in the veg room. I've been there, I've done that.
I have taken girls that have been stressed to the point of throwing nanners. Know what happens when you re-veg an accidentally forced hermie? (one not already prone to hermaphroditism) They re-veg fine with no new nanners. Again...I've been there and done that.
I had a Swazi Skunk strain like that 10 years ago. Peppery flavors. Was my favorite sativa dom.
Maturity (old age) can bring-forth latent (unseen, undiscovered, hidden from view) characteristics that were, until re-veg, hidden.
Using different nutrients can alter flavors and aroma's, too...if there's extreme differences in the nutrient blends, micronutes, latent expressions can be brought-forth. Ya never know...those new expressions might just result in a stronger, faster strain that is the key to "the eternal buzz"...
Pretty sure you can't fit it back into the seed... (it's original state) The only way I can think of, is to stress the girl to throw nanners, and pollinate one of her clones. This advanced process is a tad tricky, time-consuming and , not for the fumblefingered beginner, lol.
garlicnaan
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I consider myself an amateur and am very new here but for what it's worth...
I've found vegging a plant that has lived through it's life cycle to be tedious and not really worth it (for me) unless I am absolutely desperate to save the strain. What I do is clone a few healthy bottom branches ~2 weeks into flower and reveg those. I've read some negative experiences with this but my own has been very positive. If you take good care of these babies through the shift they will become Cthulhu plants in the same time or less as what it would take to rejuvenate leftovers.
I've found vegging a plant that has lived through it's life cycle to be tedious and not really worth it (for me) unless I am absolutely desperate to save the strain. What I do is clone a few healthy bottom branches ~2 weeks into flower and reveg those. I've read some negative experiences with this but my own has been very positive. If you take good care of these babies through the shift they will become Cthulhu plants in the same time or less as what it would take to rejuvenate leftovers.
