Can you top Satori ?

[fiveonit]

Hi guys,
wondering if anyone had any Satori outdoor grows? I was wondering if I should Top and FIM them or not. Some people told me Satori is not so good to top but wanted to hear if anyone else had topped their Satori and how sensitive it is to it? They are in veg now about 29 days in veg and 60cm tall.

Thanks for all the help.

 

[icon]

you'll get better luck with a response if you post this in mandala's section https://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=76

 

[fiveonit]

ah thanks Icon

 

[Granger2]

I've grown Satori and I topped it. No problem. -granger

 

[unregistered190]

Same here indoors......topped no problem

 

[944s2]

I grew her indoors in summer because she liked high temps,,she didn't but best of luck outdoors,,,s2

 

[fiveonit]

okay thx for the info guys

 

[RB56]

I top them every time - indoors, because my lighting is horizontal and because I have 8 ft. ceilings and 6 ft. maximum plant height. If I were growing it outdoors I wouldn't, at least for the first grow. Seems to me that flattening out the canopy outdoors would be a disadvantage. I'd be happily doing the "inverse square law is irrelevant" dance.

 

[fiveonit]

I have a little over 2 meters in my greenhouse that's the thing. should I still not top them?

 

[RB56]

I'd expect Satori to run out of space, in a 2 meter tall greenhouse, untopped. If I don't time things exactly right, even topped, they grow beyond the 6 feet I have. I've had good results topping twice.

 

[fiveonit]

Okay brotha. How much yield did you get off one satori plant and what pot size did you use?

 

[RB56]

5 gal pots. 800 watts. No idea on yield. A big chuck gets processed with coconut oil for cooking, straight off the plant. I don't bother to weigh what I cure because it's just for me and a very few others and I already produce more than we can use.

 

[fiveonit]

I see no estimates either on around how much it yieled? I'm hoping for around 100 gram per plant in 10 gallon pots. I hope it's dueable.

 

[CoastalKind]

I would hope your get more like 200+ grams off any outdoor plant. Why 10 gallons? I would suggest 30-45 gallons of high quality amendment soil. Outdoor plants get big and need all that root space. I'm not saying you can't do 10 gallons but I would recommend 30 or more. Top them too if height is your concern. How tall are they now? If they aren't very tall you may not need to top them. Out door plants will start to bud in about 2 weeks tops.

 

[fiveonit]

I can't have much bigger because I have space issues becuz of neighbours etc Im using a growhouse which fits on the terasse and is 2.5 meter x 2 meter and 2 meter high.
The tallest ones are 38 cm now that I checked so maybe I should wait a month before I top them...
the reason I wanted to top was to create more budsites.

 

[CoastalKind]

Certainly do not wait a month before you top them. Top them now or don't top them. I personally hate topping plants but have done it and had some nice plants before. They may start to pre-flower very soon, say 2 or 3 weeks, and you don't want to top them at all after they pre-flower. Those hormones in the branch tips take weeks to build up so when you top a plant you are essentially stunting it for a week or more. If you have lots of time and limited space topping is a good method, otherwise if you aren't going to out grow your space in the amount of time you have than it is counter productive. I've never grown satori outdoors so I don't know when it finishes outdoors. I saw a web site that said it finishes in late October, good luck with getting to late October without mold issues. I would aim for early or mid October but hey if you get to mid october and the plants don't look like they are having any trouble with mold or mildew and look like they could ripen a little more than keep on going until late October. Things change fast in those last few weeks. There is also a bending method where you carefully bend the tallest growth tip until it folds over. If you try this then you just want to fold it and not break the stem, this makes the plant send more hormones to the lower branches like topping does but the stem you folded will heal and point its self back up again, where you folded the stem gets real fat and woody too, you can even do it to the all other highest branches. Maybe try one topped and another folded, it would be a good learning experience. Again though, I would top now if you are going to top.

 

[CoastalKind]

I had a house mate once that folded all his plants over and over again until they started to flower to keep them shorter. The stems where full of kinks and knuckles going this way and that way. They plants always would right them selves and bend up to the sun after a couple of days and the stems got real thick.

 

[fiveonit]

I topped about half of them and wont touch the others just to experiment and will try the bending method you mentioned and see how that goes.
Thanks alot brotha for all the nice information. I wanted to ask you 3 of the 9 satoris have a few burned leaves the first and biggest fan leaves on the lowest nods are yellowish at the tips and inside the leaf im gone try take a picture and show you. what do you think that is. Could it be from the sun or is it nut burn. my EC has been at 800 ppm at max. mostly just 500 and Ph around 6.5

 

[CoastalKind]

Yeah pictures help. Telling me its yellowish isn't any help at all, it could be nitrogen, magnesium, phosphorus, who knows. All make different patterns of yellow though. I personally amend my soil heavily. This season I have used about 400 lbs of hi quality chicken manure, another 400 lbs of cow manure, 5 pounds of Potassium magnesium sulfate, 5 lbs of fish bone meal, and 5 lbs a volcanic ash called azomite. I don't plan an using very much liquid nutrients at all, I may not use any. I will probably add another 10 lbs of all the potasium magnesium sulfate, fish bone meal, volcanic ashe, and alfalfa meal. With all this in the soil there is no way I will have any deficiencies and my soil ,which was almost pure sand, will probably be fertile in that spot for the next 50 years.

 

[fiveonit]

Here's the pictures coastal only three of the plants have this problem Ive been feeding everyone the same amount of nut and water which is strange one of them have a mix soil and could have gotten little to much nutricients.

What do you think this is I hope the pictures are helpful. I've been thinking of just giving it ph 6.5 water for a week to see if it gets better or should I add calmag if you think it's mag deficiency?