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Nepal Jam
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This indica-sativa discussion has always seemed to me as Minoan Labyrinth!
A tyro of the game? Sure, for I don't have that experience of growing particular lines to draw "safe" conclusions...
So, I'll stick to what Dubi said at some point that this Nepjam expresses two distinct individuals. One broad leaf and one thinner leaf.
Don't take my word for it, take the pics instead...
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A tyro of the game? Sure, for I don't have that experience of growing particular lines to draw "safe" conclusions...
So, I'll stick to what Dubi said at some point that this Nepjam expresses two distinct individuals. One broad leaf and one thinner leaf.
Don't take my word for it, take the pics instead...
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Sativa versus Indica
Sativa versus Indica
Greetings,
I grew and smoked Bangi Haze which looks about as Indica as most any other pure Indica I have grown. The high is as clear and clean as anything I have smoked since pure old school Mexican Sativa from decades ago. It is energetic and euphoric, more so than most of what I used to consider pure Sativa. I don't know how much of that is from the Nepalese side, but I'm growing both Bangi Haze and NepaleseJam now, so I'm likely to know a little more soon enough.
The bottom line is that I don't care anymore about Sativa vs. Indica, because it is the quality of the effect that I have been searching for. It is a lesson from the universe that it came in the form of an Indica looking strain, especially since I have been disparaging the Indica invasion that has occurred in the U.S., and the rest of the world.
Whatever Dubi wants to call it, I have to thank him again for it, because in my opinion, we need more stuff like this around.
ThaiBliss
Sativa versus Indica
Greetings,
I grew and smoked Bangi Haze which looks about as Indica as most any other pure Indica I have grown. The high is as clear and clean as anything I have smoked since pure old school Mexican Sativa from decades ago. It is energetic and euphoric, more so than most of what I used to consider pure Sativa. I don't know how much of that is from the Nepalese side, but I'm growing both Bangi Haze and NepaleseJam now, so I'm likely to know a little more soon enough.
The bottom line is that I don't care anymore about Sativa vs. Indica, because it is the quality of the effect that I have been searching for. It is a lesson from the universe that it came in the form of an Indica looking strain, especially since I have been disparaging the Indica invasion that has occurred in the U.S., and the rest of the world.
Whatever Dubi wants to call it, I have to thank him again for it, because in my opinion, we need more stuff like this around.
ThaiBliss
Here are 2 pics that show very classic wild himalaya phenotypes, plants were grown almost 20 years ago, from seeds that were picked up from wild plants close to a police station nearby Kathmandu. The second pic shows my favourite landrace sativa expression i have ever had the pleasure to experience .... it had incredible incense aromas mixed with wild strawberries and the high was superb, like a good haze but with shorter flowering time and better quality, 20 years later i still have friends that ask me about it, and it came from a wild seed! (btw the tiniest cannabis seeds i ever seen)
Look at those sexy pink stems - tell me these Himalayan sativa genetics were preserved, especially the strawberry sativa...
harold
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Look at those sexy pink stems - tell me these Himalayan sativa genetics were preserved, especially the strawberry sativa...
what happened to that plant? it is gorgeous
Sativa is an especially confusing term because all it means is "cultivated" vs wild or never cultivated.
Indica to me means wide leaf varieties specifically from Afghanistan and the Hindu Kush mountain range. I hate that everyone calls whatever dank strain they have "kush" now when it has nothing to do with indica hashplants. Since indicas are cultivated they must also be sativas.
So to me a strain from Nepal must be sativa regardless as to whether it has wide or thin leaves. From personal experience growers tend to name their plants almost the opposite of what they originally were whether on purpose or by accident.
I'm more interested in the way plants express themselves through potency and yield. A sativa that stretches and stretches never produces large crystally nugs and is a nightmare to trim is frustrating to me. Also an indica type that takes 7 months to get 4 feet tall and mold, producing a fuzzy headachy buzz is not ideal to me either.
I've found a healthy mix of these phenotypes a fast growing branching plant with spread out crystally buds and a clear yet crushing stone is the type I prefer.
Indica to me means wide leaf varieties specifically from Afghanistan and the Hindu Kush mountain range. I hate that everyone calls whatever dank strain they have "kush" now when it has nothing to do with indica hashplants. Since indicas are cultivated they must also be sativas.
So to me a strain from Nepal must be sativa regardless as to whether it has wide or thin leaves. From personal experience growers tend to name their plants almost the opposite of what they originally were whether on purpose or by accident.
I'm more interested in the way plants express themselves through potency and yield. A sativa that stretches and stretches never produces large crystally nugs and is a nightmare to trim is frustrating to me. Also an indica type that takes 7 months to get 4 feet tall and mold, producing a fuzzy headachy buzz is not ideal to me either.
I've found a healthy mix of these phenotypes a fast growing branching plant with spread out crystally buds and a clear yet crushing stone is the type I prefer.
I don't have any pictures yet but I have a Nep Jam clone at 49 days and boy -if one followed the overall appearance test (which I normally do), I would think she would be ready. But I'm thinking -from past experience and from reading this and other Nep Jam threads that there may be strains -at least phenos- that the "overall look" test gives a false positive. I'm inclined to take her at least another week but she ain't throwing pistils and almost all the existent pistils are red and withered. The leaves have that late, mature look as well. Trichs, however, are still getting milky, I think. I recollect another Nep Jam that I grew where the visual maturity came VERY early.
It may also be that she was grown from clone -when she hit 12/12 she was off and running at first -lots of bud sites - however she sorta stopped in her tracks leaving relatively small, dense knuckled buds. Part of that may be that she was repotted late into her minimal stretch. While there are lots of visible roots peeking through the Smart Pot, I get the sense that the coconut media was really heavy -not a lot of the rock mix that I use instead of perlite- and I think she was just logy. I have another clone from the same pheno that who looks much happier and healthier - she's already putting on weight at 23 days into 12/12. We will see if she follows the same trajectory as she was transplanted earlier and the coir mixture has much better aeration.
The mature plant's buds are crusted with trichs. I mean CUH-RUSTED. While there is no ostensible white pistiled growth anymore (that I can see) and the buds look quite done, they appear to be continuing to swell and put on weight (although that may be wishful thinking - it makes me happy to sorta kinda see it). The branches do appear to be getting heavier at any rate.
In sum, I like the overall appearance test -in conjunction with the trich test- but this teaches me that its not the be all and end all. That said, she is undoubtedly getting ready to make the transition and I can't wait.
It may also be that she was grown from clone -when she hit 12/12 she was off and running at first -lots of bud sites - however she sorta stopped in her tracks leaving relatively small, dense knuckled buds. Part of that may be that she was repotted late into her minimal stretch. While there are lots of visible roots peeking through the Smart Pot, I get the sense that the coconut media was really heavy -not a lot of the rock mix that I use instead of perlite- and I think she was just logy. I have another clone from the same pheno that who looks much happier and healthier - she's already putting on weight at 23 days into 12/12. We will see if she follows the same trajectory as she was transplanted earlier and the coir mixture has much better aeration.
The mature plant's buds are crusted with trichs. I mean CUH-RUSTED. While there is no ostensible white pistiled growth anymore (that I can see) and the buds look quite done, they appear to be continuing to swell and put on weight (although that may be wishful thinking - it makes me happy to sorta kinda see it). The branches do appear to be getting heavier at any rate.
In sum, I like the overall appearance test -in conjunction with the trich test- but this teaches me that its not the be all and end all. That said, she is undoubtedly getting ready to make the transition and I can't wait.
Mayan, I'm experiencing the same thing with the single NJ I have. It's good to know because I know you're an outstanding grower. I harvested at about 52 days the first time; all of the pistils were brown and growth had stopped. Trichomes were mostly cloudy. I like the high, it's a favorite for hiking or other outdoor activity. I feel like I might have taken it a little early though and I am letting one go to about 63 days +/-. The trichome heads seem to be continuing to swell. My soil mix is pretty airy but I might lighten it further for her.
Yep, I feel the same way. I know how you feel about the Thais and other narrow leaf sativas, so this is high praise I'd say.
Whatever Dubi wants to call it, I have to thank him again for it, because in my opinion, we need more stuff like this around.
ThaiBliss
Yep, I feel the same way. I know how you feel about the Thais and other narrow leaf sativas, so this is high praise I'd say.
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Greetings,
Nepalese Jam was once my runt of the few outdoor plants I have this year due to a clumsy transplant and possible soil issues. It is still not the tallest plant, but it is making up for it by being extremely bushy. I think it has a chance to be the biggest producer. I thought I would share:
One month ago.
One week ago:
Now:
It also looks like it is the closest to the start of flowering, compared to the rest of the Bangi Hazes I have. I'm looking forward to see them all start flowering, hopefully very soon. In this area, the ones that flower in time usually have buds forming by August 1.
Cheers,
ThaiBliss
Nepalese Jam was once my runt of the few outdoor plants I have this year due to a clumsy transplant and possible soil issues. It is still not the tallest plant, but it is making up for it by being extremely bushy. I think it has a chance to be the biggest producer. I thought I would share:
One month ago.
One week ago:
Now:
It also looks like it is the closest to the start of flowering, compared to the rest of the Bangi Hazes I have. I'm looking forward to see them all start flowering, hopefully very soon. In this area, the ones that flower in time usually have buds forming by August 1.
Cheers,
ThaiBliss
Cannabliss420
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that plant blew up! how many times did u top it and how often did it take to achieve that? awesome lookin plant thaibliss. props for sure
Thanks brother Bliss.
Not once have I topped it. I never top my plants. It still has a main stem with no splits. The branches are just out growing the skyward direction of the plant. It is the natural full sun exposure shape for the phenotype expression of this individual. This Nepalese Jam was an outlier for the ones that sprouted. The other male looks very much like the columnar and fat leaved Bangi Hazes, which also have Nepalese in them.
Hello everyone I'm new here and have a few questions. I live in a state where medical cannabis is not yet legal but should be by the end of the year. I'm trying to be proactive and plan for next years grow season and was looking for some pure sativa to grow since I'm in a very hot and wet climate.
I figure Nepal is pretty much on the same parallel as me and Jamaica is not too far off so this would be a great strain to grow here. I've read that it is pretty mold resistant and has some early flowering phenotypes which is a plus. Like I said it is extremely hot, wet and humid here so resistance to mold is a must.
Would the NepJam be a good fit for the 26th parellel? If not what would you recommend?
I figure Nepal is pretty much on the same parallel as me and Jamaica is not too far off so this would be a great strain to grow here. I've read that it is pretty mold resistant and has some early flowering phenotypes which is a plus. Like I said it is extremely hot, wet and humid here so resistance to mold is a must.
Would the NepJam be a good fit for the 26th parellel? If not what would you recommend?
I can't speak to your other issues, but NepJam is not 100% sativa, as Dubi at Ace Seeds has acknowledged in this thread. He goes so far as to say it's a cross, but they can't even tell what's in it without expensive equipment they don't have. Nonetheless, Ace markets it as 100% sativa. It's a nice cross, and there are many nice sativa/indica crosses. I happen to like this one, but I'm not happy about the deceptive Ace advertising. My $.02 FWIW.
Don't get me wrong. I really like this sativa/indica cross. Ace seeds are always fresh and germinate well for me. And these plants are quite vigorous. But they aren't 100% sativa. No way. Dubi has conceded that point on behalf of Ace Seeds. I don't know why the website still misadvertises the seeds.
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Bob Green
I have an old pack of the Nepalese Pure from Reeferman. Same Nepalese used in NepJam.
Nepalese Highland is a pure IBL (inbred line) from Nepal. Although this strain grow with a sativa structure the buds show more indica in their formation. Reeferman has sold these seeds at various times over the past decade on various seed auctions and other seed sites and this strains is known to have been used be several breeders to produce the majority of Nepali based strains that are available today.
The strain is popular with breeders looking to create sativa structure in indica hybrids, where earlier finishing times are required. It also produces a larger frame to the plants which helps increase the yields.
This Nepalese Highland was used as the father of Reeferman’s High Times Cannabis Cup winner Willie Nelson, along with a number of other popular Reeferman strains.
A bit of info that might help clear things up.
Nepalese Highland is a pure IBL (inbred line) from Nepal. Although this strain grow with a sativa structure the buds show more indica in their formation. Reeferman has sold these seeds at various times over the past decade on various seed auctions and other seed sites and this strains is known to have been used be several breeders to produce the majority of Nepali based strains that are available today.
The strain is popular with breeders looking to create sativa structure in indica hybrids, where earlier finishing times are required. It also produces a larger frame to the plants which helps increase the yields.
This Nepalese Highland was used as the father of Reeferman’s High Times Cannabis Cup winner Willie Nelson, along with a number of other popular Reeferman strains.
A bit of info that might help clear things up.
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Bob Green
This is the info I got from Reef on the line when I asked him a while back on IC.
I have 2 very different Nepalese lines one line came from Steve tuck the other is from napal directly , the line I have from steve is more like kootnay mountain line but no mighty mite in it .
I shared the nepalese highland with Charlie from Cannbiogen in 02 that is used in all there hybrids .
Charles
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I have 2 very different Nepalese lines one line came from Steve tuck the other is from napal directly , the line I have from steve is more like kootnay mountain line but no mighty mite in it .
I shared the nepalese highland with Charlie from Cannbiogen in 02 that is used in all there hybrids .
Charles
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Bob Green
Hope that helps a bit.
crazyfool*
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I got a single NepalJam plant veged, I´m eager to toss her into flower mode.... as soon as I chop down My first plant, I´ll toss her in, this specific girl has short internodes, skinny leaves, and a sweet anis smell when the stem is rubbed.... so far a keeper.... lets see how she flowers, and smokes, so I can decide wether or not she will stick arround
