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Gorilla Glue #4

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humbleguy

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Joesy- Thanks so much for sharing this girl. Finally a cut that sums up the sour-og-chem families. A true next generation pheno..... these genetics revolutionize the cause. It's now my fave, even amongst my own hybrids. thanks again!
 

oceangrownkush

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Fok ya humble cuttin through all the petty drama dropping knowledge.

Goin to water my outdoor gg right now ima snap some pics for yas. Im gettin different growth between 5 gg4s I wanna discuss
 

Seaf0ur

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milkyjoe

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If Ihad any sense I would stay out of this. But if a plant never gets pollinated does it ever leave the vegetative state? If it does not then only energy and health determine how long it can go. I have seen chems go 10 weeks without a hint of amber. The effect was seriusly stone to the bone and long lasting. I am inclined to believe the longer you keep the plant healthy and growing the better the essential oils become...provided you are giving the plant enough energy to make fat.
 

Backyard Farmer

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If Ihad any sense I would stay out of this. But if a plant never gets pollinated does it ever leave the vegetative state? If it does not then only energy and health determine how long it can go. I have seen chems go 10 weeks without a hint of amber. The effect was seriusly stone to the bone and long lasting. I am inclined to believe the longer you keep the plant healthy and growing the better the essential oils become...provided you are giving the plant enough energy to make fat.

I already tried. Get ready to bash your head against the wall
 

Grizz

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If Ihad any sense I would stay out of this. But if a plant never gets pollinated does it ever leave the vegetative state? If it does not then only energy and health determine how long it can go. I have seen chems go 10 weeks without a hint of amber. The effect was seriusly stone to the bone and long lasting. I am inclined to believe the longer you keep the plant healthy and growing the better the essential oils become...provided you are giving the plant enough energy to make fat.

vegetative state as I understand it ends when flower cycle starts then the plant will mature till its done, I don't understand why you would want to push it past its natural matured finish, that's when the plant will try to throw nanners and pollinate itself . if its getting everything it needs during flower it should be as good as it can get, environment also will play into this but as growers we should have that dialed . I see no need to fuck with nature or the plant.
 

Grizz

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talking with byf in pm, you say the life cycle isent complete if it doesent get pollinated and I agree but it does mature naturally, swell, pack on tric's, , and the trics color naturally, I am not much on amber trics as I think cloudy trics are best and the plant will do this naturally, even if you don't flush or do flush, so why do you want to take them longer ? there mature, you have all the swellage your going to get, like I said earlier your just taking the chance of nanners for maybe a gram or two, and with my system I need the space to put another one in flower so pushing them beyond maturity doesent make sense to me
 

Backyard Farmer

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Joesy bro ,

Thanks for the good conversation.

What you're missing is that I never have a problem with Cloudy trichomes..That's what you want...Amber trichomes and Pistils that have turned color are just oxidized cannabinoids and 'dead' pistils.

I'm talking about extending the period of time in their life cycle that they are swelling and packing on trichs as you put it. I'm talking about keeping them healthy enough that this period is extended by at least a week...if not more.

It isn't adding any time on to the end , it's actually adding time to the middle , because they have more energy , they will flower longer...and as a result produce more trichomes and flower mass. They only reach "maturity" because they run out of energy...However , how can they ever be "Mature" if they never get seeded....The answer is they won't..What will happen though is that they will meet their genetic ability ...and show us That in fact we were not correctly tapping their potential before.

The difference in pilot gardens so far has been 25% not a gram or two. FWIW....

I also just want to Speak on Dank.Frank and his comment that he was trying to talk to me about these concepts in 2009, what he was trying to talk to me about was using STRICTLY an amended soil...He has ZERO input on why or how the mechanisms I'm referring to work.

I have no problem with people who just want to take some premixed amendments and blend it in to some bagged potting soil and water..It just isn't the best way in my opinion. There's too much other stuff to hit them with that actually has results to back it up to take that approach...After all I'm chasing the best quality possible..

It's clear from his responses that he doesn't understand that what I'm talking about goes past organic, or conventional or amendments or General Hydro...

It has to do with plant metabolic systems and their physiology...and how to best manipulate these systems to produce the healthiest plants possible, which in turn by default will make the best medicine possible
 

Seaf0ur

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I'm with BYF on this one and it comes down to cytokinins...

A quote from my saved desktop documents... I assume its from coot...

Some of the most interesting components of coconut water are the plant growth hormones, particularly cytokinins. Cytokinins are a group of hormones that regulate growth, development, and aging. In some respects they are similar to human hormones with a similar name of cytokines. Cytokinins are also known as anti-aging hormones. Cytokinins regulate cell division and influence the rate at which plants age. Depending on the amount of cytokinins present, the aging process in plants can be either accelerated or retarded. One of the active sites of cytokinin production is in the roots. From here the hormone is carried by the sap throughout the plant—much like our bloodstream disperses hormones. Portions of plants that are deprived of cytokinins age faster than normal, Conversely, if additional cytokinins are added to a plant, normal aging is retarded.
 

Backyard Farmer

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It isn't JUST the hormone balance ...

There are also many Enzyme systems in play ...

As well as the necessary Co Factors for these Enzymes ...
 

Seaf0ur

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I rarely get senescence in my no-tills... I often use coconut water in drenches and foliars..
Cytokinins regulate growth, development, and aging... I simply agree that with addition of cytokinins whether from organic or artificial means, plants can stay green and healthy throughout their entire life and its also been proven at slowing the rate at which a plant ages. which would "extend its lifespan"....
 

milkyjoe

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Look at people that live long...highly functioning enzyme and low free radical damage (little oxidation).

Does it work for plants...seems to but not enough results to say with any authority
 

stoney917

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Never thought of baby soap... got no babies so it aint around but blue dawn is safe to... i wouldn't use ajax or any other brand.. just blue dawn.
 

Grizz

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well we all got our ideas and thoughts, but that extra week your talking about just aint worth it for me, I would have to see it to believe it, the pics I a posted last and will post now are at 44 days, already looking fat and sexy, been just getting vegganic flower, no boosters .actually it has just been getting str8 water for 7 days and there is no yellowing, I can flush mine for 2 weeks and there just a slight yellow in the leaves, I think looking at this pic and knowing it has at least 16 more days before chop you would have to agree it will be mature and ready
 

Ichabod Crane

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You should just give me that plant Joesy. I will bring it back and harvest it. No sense you wasting your time with a plant that has been starved near to death when I will do it for you.
 
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