Hot offf the Press NY legalizes Marijuana in Vapor and Oil Forms

[paper thorn]

smoking anything causes cancer

There are many doctors who disagree about mj causing cancer.
Can you post a link to a real study that proves that about pot? Not too many peeps will smoke a pack a day(20 joints) like cig smokers do. We should not let these politicians who know nothing about mj set the rules is all i'm saying.

 

[igrowone]

That kind of thinking is just wrong. Smoking mj does not cause cancer or heart disease. Smoking is the preferred way to self titrate and get to just the right dosage. Fortunately we had some very outspoken doctors on this subject during the rule making period here in AZ.

If the politcians knew what they were doing concerning hash oil, they would not allow it. They do not know about doing dabs. In fact I'm sure dabbing is illegal, because you smoke when dabbing. They're thing of tinctures, rubs and patches and of course vaping, which is fine if you like vaping.

let me clarify a bit here, i was taking the perspective of a very large segment of the physician population
i know of no current medical clinical practice that uses smoking as a therapy
maybe there are a few rare ones, but i would think very rare
the carbon monoxide, cyanide, pyridines, etc that are known to be a part of the smoke are a stumbling block into clinical acceptance
i personally do concede that the measurable harm from moderate MMJ smoking seems to be quite low(if not non-existent)
i'm looking at going a step further then medically legal, which translates to physicians tolerating it to some extent, i,e. getting the bulk of physicians to be advocates for the expanded clinical use of cannabinoids

 

[paper thorn]

Oh, I know where you're coming from, and the docs. But that's because of tobacco smoke and the bad things it does. You may not want to believe that mj does not cause cancer and heart disease, but that doesn't mean it does. Remember, all the studies that have been done with mj have had to have dea and other gov agency's approval, and no positive results were ever allowed. If you want to keep doing your 'scientific' research, your studies have to say mj is bad, bad. And only docs in the know about marijuana use because they deal with tons of mmj users have a clue. Even they though will cover their legal ass with a 'warning' in the paper work, though.

I just think that going along with what the man says is going to lead to a future of Sativex and Marinol type cannabis use.

We'll be screwed worse than ever down the road.

 

[NYUrbanFarmer]

First off.....

First off.....

Guys I normally wouldn't through in my two cents but.......its not what's in the smoke that causes cancer, its not what your smoking, its the act of smoking. Smoke enters your lungs at a high temperature(smoke from anything) and it burns the lining of your throat and bronchial tubes when that occurs the cilia which are tiny hairs in your throat and lungs begin to shrivel up, become inactive and die(PS cilia's job is to protect the lungs from infection while keeping them clean). Scar tissue from the burning begins to build up. Mucus begins to build up because the cilia cannot function to clean the inside of your throat and bronchi. From there cells from scarring begin to mutate and multiple uncontrollable because they are now dysfunctional. hemorrhaging can occur adding to the problem. Mutated cells build up because your body doesn't recognize they are bad because they are your own and doesn't fight them. That is how tumors are created some chemicals in smoke "CAN" add to this but it isn't required. The "ACT" of smoking "Anything" can cause cancer. That is why vapor was created long before medical marijuana. Although heat is used the temperature isn't anything near what it is when actually burned because the cellulose in the plant matter only burns at a certain temperature. The human lungs were not designed to handle smoke. Smoke of any kind contains tars that stick to and collapse the alveoli sacs in your lungs thus creating depleted lung function. So its not what's in the marijuana that is unhealthy it is the physical act of smoking, it doesn't matter what it is, it could be dog shit and it would be bad if your smoking it. Don't agree look it up. Doctors will not promote the act of smoking rather than the chemical which is being smoked. Yes Marijuana IS HEALTHY and YES it does CURE many things and YES it is a great addition to mother natures cabinet However sorry guys SMOKING in the act is bad for you. That's the science behind it.

NYUrbanFarmer

 

[Jhhnn]

Meh. MMJ has become prohibitionists' fallback defensive position. They already lost that fight & they're trying to hold the line against full legalization & recreational use. NY didn't fall back far enough to matter, other than in a symbolic way. This isn't intended to actually deliver MMJ to patients but rather to give the impression that it will, someday, maybe, kinda-sorta. It's a feint, a misdirection play.

Yeh, they felt the squeeze, slipped away from it, at least for now. If they could just get the Obama Admin to enforce federal marijuana law in CO, they'd feel a lot safer. Fat chance. Come November 2016, there won't be anyplace to hide from the success story of CO legalization. It's already what the people want- a new normal, Peace in the Marijuana War.

 

[RoadRash]

However sorry guys SMOKING in the act is bad for you. That's the science behind it.

NYUrbanFarmer

I smoke 1/10 to 1/3 gram a day. A Light-weight.

I love strong (potent) weed, because tomorrow I can get up and swim a mile+ with no ill effects of today's smoking.

Once I dropped the bud-let I was about to smoke on a calibrated scale, accurate to .01 grams. "0.00" was the reading, indicating a weight of .004 grams or less.

So I am not absorbing much smoke into my longs.


That is different from when I was younger, and may have smoked 2-3 grams a day.


Chemists use the word 'titration'.

There's a huge difference on our lungs, .01 grams vs. 10 grams a day.

I agree, too much smoke is unhealthy. But a tiny bit of smoke ?

 

[Wicked1]

umm

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let me clarify a bit here, i was taking the perspective of a very large segment of the physician population
i know of no current medical clinical practice that uses smoking as a therapy
maybe there are a few rare ones, but i would think very rare
the carbon monoxide, cyanide, pyridines, etc that are known to be a part of the smoke are a stumbling block into clinical acceptance
i personally do concede that the measurable harm from moderate MMJ smoking seems to be quite low(if not non-existent)
i'm looking at going a step further then medically legal, which translates to physicians tolerating it to some extent, i,e. getting the bulk of physicians to be advocates for the expanded clinical use of cannabinoids

Not that this means much....I live in a non med state....I am a chronic pain patient. My Dr. never drug tested me, but one day he suggested I smoke pot to help with appetite....the next time I had to come in for my script, he tested me.....of course I tested positive, I smoke weed all the time and always have. I came back in his office the next month and he was smiling and all.....he says, I see you followed my advice...so how is it working for you? I said it is great....I have never been so hungry and I eat after every time I use the MJ....he was and is pleased and so am I.
My Dr. is Syrian and grew up smoking hash etc as we have discussed before. I am sure he views it as less harm then other drugs that I am on that requires monhly monitoring of your liver and kidney values...LOL
Respects,
Wicky

 

[NYUrbanFarmer]

I smoke 1/10 to 1/3 gram a day. A Light-weight.

I love strong (potent) weed, because tomorrow I can get up and swim a mile+ with no ill effects of today's smoking.

Once I dropped the bud-let I was about to smoke on a calibrated scale, accurate to .01 grams. "0.00" was the reading, indicating a weight of .004 grams or less.

So I am not absorbing much smoke into my longs.


That is different from when I was younger, and may have smoked 2-3 grams a day.


Chemists use the word 'titration'.

There's a huge difference on our lungs, .01 grams vs. 10 grams a day.

I agree, too much smoke is unhealthy. But a tiny bit of smoke ?

Personally I don't think that a little bit or even an average amount would hurt you or do any damage. Its the heavy smokers that smoke 15 blunts a day that have the most to worry about. I would think that MJ relaxes your system including the lungs making them function better but try to get a doctor to emit it. Ya know what I mean.

NYUF

 

[Cannavore]

This laws a joke and the people here are upset. It's going to be a "cash only" deal, and by the time they're done no one will be able to afford it. Public Health is going to determine dosages and scripts will only be for a month at a time. They know damn well that sick, disabled and terminal people aren't going to be able to afford this. The Gov wants to call it his compassion act when he knows damn well it's nothing more then a political ploy on his way for a run to the White House. His big excuse for people not being able to smoke it in leaf form is it will harm their health. I guess if that were true he'd ban all pharmaceuticals because of the side effects and addiction they cause. Everyone of these people should be ashamed of themselves.

Ditto .

 

[igrowone]

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I just think that going along with what the man says is going to lead to a future of Sativex and Marinol type cannabis use.

We'll be screwed worse than ever down the road.

that actually is a bit of my own fear, maybe more of a concern
i see modern medicine on the whole as a godsend(not a religious plug)
so i think that some significant drugs may come from synthetic cannabinoids
that may be anathema to some here, and i respect their position, and understand it to some extent
if we can legally have our weed, they can play with lab cannabinoids

 

[Jhhnn]

Marijuana smoke? Lung cancer? I'm surprised to find contributors parroting prohibitionist propaganda as fact-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html

No correlation found.

 

[Apache Kush]

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