Confirmed cases of Pneumothorax from smoking/vaping BHO

[SativaBreather]

oil is oil, hash is hash, no matter how it is smoked

anyway, sorry to hear about your acquaintance and I shall heed your warning

 

[Bulldog420]

Just because a doctor says it doesn't mean it's true. However I wouldn't doubt long term effects from large dabs can't be good.

 

[stasis]

Yeah, those dab contests gotta be bad for the contestants. He said, as He took a bong rip of weed with a cap of crumble BHO. haha.

 

[KiefSweat]

only dabbed "professional" product from dispensaries.

I'd be more suspect of molds, mildews and the sprays used to combat them. Dispensary grade products in Colorado are a joke.

 

[pharmco]

Here in Co. I believe BHO will be outlawed within 3-5 years. Been saying it for a while now.

BHO and not Cannabis? I would think you would have the same issues you purport with dabs with cannabis, with tarry substances compounding the problem.

 

[MEMED]

right. Some of you know what im sayin...

A dirty dude makes dirty oil. I also find most dont understand/care the impact things like oxidation and environmental conditions can affect the resinoid. Keep it sealed and cold, till u use it for optimal potency.


I feel like we need to do our best to stomp out the standard pot head/grower mentality when it comes to volatiles. Its not for your typical burnout. I think there should be requirements like epa certs for errl producers.

 

[BagAppeal]

How bout this, if I discontinue my dabbing and instead go the old way of say joint, I personally have more coughing and my sinuses get blocked quickly, and I can even get headaches, as I mostly smoke heavy every day. With this in mind, when I do my dab, which I have been doing for 3-4 years now, I hardly ever cough. Unless I have been smoking a lot of joints, or had a break from the dabs, then there is some coughing the first day.. After that its back to normal and no coughing problems..
Seems to me like this "problem" is not so much related to BHO, put personal feelings and opinions.
"I find it a shame that BHO is even popular. It is unecessary to process plant material via "butane" to create hash.

It is one of the flaws of the movement."

No facts here, just strong opinions..I can respect that, but it does not give much more to the discussion..
However, I agree that BHO should not be made from plants that have been in contact with pesticides or other by products that will come into the BHO, guidelines should be made.
Sure you might loose some terpenes and have a better effect of dry sift, but that should not mean BHO should be outlawed.
So much hate on BHO, but little useful information on why?



All the best

BagAppeal

 

[Weird]

soysoz, I dont think that was the intent of this thread. A dirty (i.e. moldy, bacteria ridden) "absolute" can still be potentially harmful.

Weird- In short, yes. Read up on it if it interests or concerns you. Cus' it should. Educate...
Only way to combat ignorance.

I dont need to I dont hash shitty pot

 

[Gray Wolf]

can something else be trapped in the wax as a consequence of how its grown and/or what its exposed to? allergens? pathogens? toxins?

Depending on how the material was grown and processed, it can have any number of things in it, which it is important to either do it all yourself, or have reputable resources.

 

[JointOperation]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that these cases of Pneumothorax are caused by coughing. I don't think that it is the act of smoking or vaping oil, but the coughing that actually does the damage. Lower temp and smaller dabs will reduce the body's urge to cough so violently. And if one's lungs can't handle a small dab without a terrible coughing fit, they probably shouldn't be doing it anyway.

u ever watch wat happens if u vaporize a bunch of bho.. inside of a bag or a volcano bag.. and let it sit.. and cool down.. the bag is coated with a reclaim/bho.. thats what ur lungs do.. except ur lungs actually absorb it eventually..

but i cant say bho does or doesnt have bad effects.. but can say.. that even without using bho.. i was constantly coughing up nasty shit every morning.. ciggarettes im sure are worse then bho..



i do agree that its probably way better for your health to eat.. then smoke .. but smoking bud is better then cigs..

i wish there was more research into alot of this shit.. but until the feds legalize.. its not going to happen as fast as wed like.

 

[Weird]

Depending on how the material was grown and processed, it can have any number of things in it, which it is important to either do it all yourself, or have reputable resources.

ty gw

it was really a rhetorical question to raise the thought in peoples minds

i dont have a microscope or gas chromatography so I rely on teh old fashioned method of causation

I am an asthmatic with many allergies and sensitive lungs

had a lung test under a year ago when they were in distress from seasonal allergies and they were still functioning 10% above capacity.

my sensitivities very much bias the way I smoke and how I care for my flowers from start to finish.

I didn't want to make a definitive assertion without specific so I figured I would plant the seed for someone else to do some due diligence and figure it out.

Love everything you bring to the table much respect be well

 

[Ninja Mechanics]

Wow, I always wondered what the long term effects could amount to, after all, the product is ultimately processed. Ive never been a fan of dabbing, and now I'm even less so inclined to jump on the dab wagon.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

i think if you read this whole thread you would realize dabbing is fine.

 

[whatthe215]

This happened to me. It's not so much the oil causing it, it's the negative pressure you create in your chest cavity while inhaling strongly. I was only dabbing about 0.2g/day. Tiny dabs.

I took a month break and healed up... ditched my bong for a good dry pipe and got a new oil rig with less drag. It's the drag that makes you create that negative pressure. I'm real careful with the carb cap now.

It sucks, you feel like you can't breath. You run out of oxygen after a few minutes of labor and feel like passing out. Lotsa chest pain.

Young, tall, and skinny males are the most at risk.

 

[HighStateToke]

This happened to me. It's not so much the oil causing it, it's the negative pressure you create in your chest cavity while inhaling strongly. I was only dabbing about 0.2g/day. Tiny dabs.

I took a month break and healed up... ditched my bong for a good dry pipe and got a new oil rig with less drag. It's the drag that makes you create that negative pressure. I'm real careful with the carb cap now.

It sucks, you feel like you can't breath. You run out of oxygen after a few minutes of labor and feel like passing out. Lotsa chest pain.

Young, tall, and skinny males are the most at risk.

I don't know about that. I'm leaning more towards:

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that these cases of Pneumothorax are caused by coughing. I don't think that it is the act of smoking or vaping oil, but the coughing that actually does the damage. Lower temp and smaller dabs will reduce the body's urge to cough so violently. And if one's lungs can't handle a small dab without a terrible coughing fit, they probably shouldn't be doing it anyway.

From experience, the drag from a dab is typically a fraction of that from a flower rip. Rig/setup/carb/no carb/water level are all variables of course.

Perhaps the cause is a combination of both. As well as from lower quality oil, albeit not directly from inhaling butane/impurities(well kinda). Worse hash > more coughing.

 

[whatthe215]

I don't cough from dabs or flower, so at least in my case it wasn't a major factor. I'm sure I had a minor irritation in my lung that turned into a small hole in my lung... which coupled with the dabbing with a very 'draggy' piece caused the collapse. I could feel it happen right after an especially tough drag... the next morning it was much worse.

IDK, 3 different MDs suggested intense negative pressure was the the culprit. Two of them are smart respected Docs, the ER doc was new and less experienced but he still had the same idea.

I'm sure coughing can cause it alone, but at least for me my POS pieces were the cause.

 

[RonSmooth]

Where is the science behind the assertion "confirmed cases of pneumothorax caused by smoking/vaping BHO"

Correlation does not equal causation. The only thing I can tell that is "confirmed" is the diagnosis.

Is there any real evidence?

 

[soysoz]

Last I checked empirical evidence counts for something...

I'd be willing to bet the correlation would exist much more strongly for people who dab "wax" and other concretes, but not absolutes.

 

[DrySiftWizrd]

Wow.. horrible to hear whatever the cause.

Dayum.

 

[jdee]

Where is the science behind the assertion "confirmed cases of pneumothorax caused by smoking/vaping BHO"

Correlation does not equal causation. The only thing I can tell that is "confirmed" is the diagnosis.

Is there any real evidence?

This.