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The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

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Pangea

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Hi Cep,

How would you describe and rate the plants health that were analyzed?

Thanks for sharing.
 

HorseMouth

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Cold snap here too, for the last few days. Fresh snow in the mountains above my farm when I woke up this morning.

I haven't been able to get any of my plants to sun worship in the last week. They keep getting hammered by the wind, then have to deal with mid 30's at night.

My first Light Dep. seriously thinks it's Late Sept. with this cold and wind. They are three weeks into 12/12 and I don't know what to expect out of them at this point, I'll post pics when I get some sun to illuminate the greenhouses.

This has easily been the hardest year in a while. I've been trouble shooting constantly, and everyday, other day, I've have to hand water in some specific remedy. i.e. Oregon water soluble lime for low PH, Liquid Sand, Fish Emulsion for low N. It goes on and on.

Hoping all is well for all the OD growers, and praying for this cold snap to end.

edit : Just saw that Portland had Quarter Size Hail yesterday, up into the Foothills of the Cascades. I don't have it that bad, Here's a shout out to my Northern Peeps.
Peace
 
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milkyjoe

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The thing about K..no matterwhat the cimpost guys tell you the microbes cannot sort it out. If it is in your soil it is going to relace ca in your plant. And no I do not have cannabis specific sap analysis. But nova crop control now has over 300, 000 test results. Guess what the top two prblems they see are...one of them is high k and as a result low ca. The other is high nitrate...photomag to the rescue on that one. If you only get one thing from aea photomag should be it.
 

Backyard Farmer

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Tissue analysis is available to me now. I'm going to start sending in samples next week.

Cep if you want to correspond about it in private we can do so, I don't want people to say I'm taking over this thread or pushing anything on any one.

It's just my opinion and maybe a few other peoples too that it's important to test the components, the plant itself , the blend of the components at the beginning and through the grow cycle.

So I'm going to do that. No one else has to. I know it costs money, but to me it's worth it to know EXACTLY what's going on.

I'll be providing the info to certain people and depending on how things go it may be available at the end of the season sorted with before and after and graphed with inputs mapped out for all the important variables like climate , amount etc.,
 
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CaliGabe

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I totally believe in science and I also believe in worms and natural law. When I was talking to Gary Reding at AEA before peeps started to know about their canna program it was 2 worms per 5 gallons of media. People growing organics in Smart Pots and not adding worms missing part of the equation. I love AEA stuff, dang we've been using a basic AEA foliar program the past few weeks and off the hook response, yet worms rock and part of Kempf's analysis of soil tilth is the worm count.

We got some Photomag on order already.

Did I mention the wind in CO sucks! Another crappy day. Geese, turkeys and chickens hunkered down again under the shrubbery.
 
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CaliGabe

Did I tell you that the wind in Southwest CO sucks? Typical afternoon in one of my friend's light dep...

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This friend experimenting with straw bales for some smaller plants he'll turn into the ground for his veggie garden this Fall...with some Rejuvenate of course. Gotta love the native CO soil! Red clay in these parts...Red Rock country...what do you expect? It has a lot of K :biggrin:, also a lot of Ca which is unavailable as verified by the Bindweed. If you thought C99 was a PM magnet you ain't seen nothing until you watch Bindweed later in the year.
 

Yes4Prop215

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wind is fucking crazy today, damn near lost a few of the big ones, luckily we got out there early and got them all supported good….thank god for pneumatic T-post pounders!
 

Arminius

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The wind has been an issue on the central coast as well. All my plants have support whether they need it or not at this point. Bamboo and PVC are cheap...
 
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Cep

we are growing some hops too! just got some new varieties shipped in one of them is called tangerine, which pairs nicely with all the tangerine dream hybrids we are growing... tangie hash with tangie beer gonna be an orange winter!

Throw that hash in the wort at the same time you would add the hops! A "white widow" amber I made two years ago turned my buddies into vegetables for 6 hours.

How would you describe and rate the plants health that were analyzed?

The plants were waning health wise. Previous week they were testing at 16-18 brix, then went down to 12ish which is why I sent the sample in. Last year my top 12 inches of soil was great, enough Calcium not too much K. They just hit the wall when they started mining the crappy subsoil which was low in Calcium.

Cep if you want to correspond about it in private we can do so, I don't want people to say I'm taking over this thread or pushing anything on any one.

Yes, send me those results. I'll probably sample three times this season for each treatment in the plot (aea trail row, non, and control). Once in veg early July, once at the onset of bloom end of July/first week of August, and once near the end.

I know some are disgruntled with all the AEA talk but I hope everyone knows we were just given free products to try. They all serve a purpose and sometimes certain products aren't needed. I also think the tissue analysis is relevant in this forum, mainly because growing large plants and keeping them healthy all the way to the end is not a cakewalk. Any data that can be collected should be shared with those who have open eyes and ears.

The weather is turning this week!
 

Yes4Prop215

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The wind has been an issue on the central coast as well. All my plants have support whether they need it or not at this point. Bamboo and PVC are cheap...

where do you got the plug on bamboo!! just spent 600 bucks on 12footers today and gotta spend at least another 1k+, not including the 2k on T - posts…shit adds up fast.


Hempin aint easy! Im fucking exhausted and beat…but at least the plants won't be fallen over any time soon.
 

grow nerd

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It's very windy where I'm at. Luckily it seems to primarily blow one direction, so it's a little easier to design supports or other protection to help.

I'm thinking and experimenting with a permeable windbreak wall of sorts, to decelerate the wind. I understand a solid wall is bad, and needs to allow some amount through to achieve deceleration rather than causing strong eddy currents around and over the solid wall/barrier. Right now I have an acquaintance trying out 4x4 posts with sun shade mesh (colored woven nylon for patios, decks, etc) attached at some points with mending plates.

I've looked into and tried other options including 6" - 8" fence boards with 1" gaps for permeability, but isn't as easy to take down without additional hardware or other way of detachment if it gets in the way of sunlight at some hours.

So far I the mesh seems to be working, but I haven't been out behind the mesh during very heavy winds to know how effective it is against that. For my garden I'm planning on installing chain link fence between the posts, and attaching the mesh to the fence with tarp clips (if using sun shade mesh from big box stores) or with metal grommets (if using tennis court mesh with pre-installed grommets) using carabiner clips on 4-8 points. Mesh facing the wind, so the chain link supports it during strong winds and does not cause additional damage from one end coming loose and wrapping around the plant. Due to the shape of my garden patch and direction of wind, I will likely need multiple barriers, and some will need to be somewhat near plants. Hence the need for detachment, for certain hours where the mesh will shade the sunlight.

Commercial wind break walls are corrugated steel panels with lots of holes punched/cut out. Think shipping container wall. Will post pictures when I fet back on my laptop.
 
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Backyard Farmer

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You guy's can' t complain about wind until it rips out some of your plants

One season I didn't have my cages pinned in to the ground with bamboo or T Posts...We got some of that awesome Trinity River Valley winds , and guess what happened? I had two plants learn to FLY!!!

Since then I started pinning down cages and supporting my plants before I think they need it. Works pretty good.

Seeing as how it's Wet 'Em Up Wednesday I figured I'd post the mix of juice I'm going to spray on them.

Sea Shield 1 OZ
PHT Phosphorus 1 OZ
PhotoMag 1 OZ
Sea Stim .5 OZ
Sea Crop 2 OZ in 55 gallon drum
Rejuvenate 3OZ
Albion Calcium 3 grams per gallon
Fulvic Acid 3 grams per gallon
Pepzyme C 12OZ in 55 gallon drum
 

milkyjoe

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The one with branches behind it is a cherry pie. Those branches were torn out of the tree by 60 mph winds. Not only did Jah protect the ganja he opened them up to more sun for me. Apparently he is not so charitable to 50s pick up trucks...there is one under the limbs :biggrin:

Dumped 40 gallons of water on each plant yesterday on the plants trying to keep up with the wind. Growth has not been bad though so no complaints here.
 

milkyjoe

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You guy's can' t complain about wind until it rips out some of your plants

One season I didn't have my cages pinned in to the ground with bamboo or T Posts...We got some of that awesome Trinity River Valley winds , and guess what happened? I had two plants learn to FLY!!!

Since then I started pinning down cages and supporting my plants before I think they need it. Works pretty good.

Seeing as how it's Wet 'Em Up Wednesday I figured I'd post the mix of juice I'm going to spray on them.

Sea Shield 1 OZ
PHT Phosphorus 1 OZ
PhotoMag 1 OZ
Sea Stim .5 OZ
Sea Crop 2 OZ in 55 gallon drum
Rejuvenate 3OZ
Albion Calcium 3 grams per gallon
Fulvic Acid 3 grams per gallon
Pepzyme C 12OZ in 55 gallon drum

Just to make sure I understand...are you saying 1oz of shield per drum or per gallon?

Really liking the pepzyme huh?
 

Backyard Farmer

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@warthog

Yes they all get mixed together in my drum and applied via foliar! Boom Bap!


@milkyjoe

Yes, Sea Shield @ 1OZ Per gallon.

The per drum amounts are explicit..basically just the sea crop. I figured I'd put the grams per gallon for the powders instead of just say 150g each...thought it'd be easier. Not every one uses a 55 gal drum to spray I guess.

All OZ amounts are per gallon

Yes! Pepzyme C is BOMB
 
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milkyjoe

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Cool, cool. I am so afraid of sea crop I do not spray it period. I can not wrap me head around the benefit outweighing the danger. You got a good idea there though.

All the tainio stuff is genius if you ask me.
 
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