advanced nutrients coco formula out

[mg75]

if it works for me in coco and i can afford it, does it mean it's wrong?
when people buy $100 bottles of aptus, canna boost, yellow bottle, etc... and swear by the products and outcomes, are they also wrong?

putting cost and water usage aside for a moment, isn't flushing a medium with either clean ph correct oxygenated fresh water and/or nutrients, beneficial for hydroponic based grows?

every time i run 5 gallons of water through my 5 gallon coco smart-pot, i know i am starting with a clean slate. i know exactly what went in and i can compare it to what is going out.

again, you may have more experience than me, but i cannot lose a grow due to my inexperience.

 

[Snow Crash]

if it works for me in coco and i can afford it, does it mean it's wrong?
when people buy $100 bottles of aptus, canna boost, yellow bottle, etc... and swear by the products and outcomes, are they also wrong?

putting cost and water usage aside for a moment, isn't flushing a medium with either clean ph correct oxygenated fresh water and/or nutrients, beneficial for hydroponic based grows?

every time i run 5 gallons of water through my 5 gallon coco smart-pot, i know i am starting with a clean slate. i know exactly what went in and i can compare it to what is going out.

again, you may have more experience than me, but i cannot lose a grow due to my inexperience.

Hey Mg75,
You're not wrong in what you do, and I greatly appreciate and empathize with a need for success in the grow space. I think sometimes people get a little jaded on where the money goes in a hydroponic grow.

Sure, maybe you're use of runoff is a little excessive and as a result you're spending an extra $100 on nutrients for every run. But... if the trade off for you (due to experience and learning curve) is a healthy grow and a great harvest, then the value of the extra product you get from these healthy plants - versus unhealthy - certainly compensates you for the cost of the nutrients.

In my case I have A LOT of free nutrients sitting around. More than I'll be able to use before at least some of it expires. So for someone like myself the peace of mind, and lack of tinkering, that comes from a high runoff DTW hydroponic program is really no cost and no sweat off my back. I think we all need to be more open minded that not everyone needs to do everything the same way. There are variables and circumstances that allows this extremely versatile media to be used in a countless number of ways.

If I could make some suggestions though... Rather than feeding full strength to excess on a regular basis try alternating full and half strength feedings. You still have the same ratio of nutrients but I find that by doing this I can get a little less runoff on the full days, a little more on the half days, and that my overall consumption of nutrients (and their eventual return to the environment) is lessoned without impacting plant health.

Your habit of checking on what's going in, and what's coming out, is a great way of developing your talents as a coco grower. Keep good data and use those readings from grow to grow to use the right amount of food, in the right ratios, at the right time. That information can be troublesome to make a "knee-jerk" reaction off of but if you graph the in and out every day you will start to see a pattern and can kind of pivot your feed schedule around that even mid-grow. I usually aim for about 30% runoff on the average in 1 gallon containers, in coco, less is more and 5 gallons is way too much media unless you're vegging for 8-10 weeks and growing trees.

 

[relic1981]

just like snow just said, there are numerous ways to use this versitile media and i have successfully ran bio bizz with msicro beasties and have had great success, the ph just needs to be adjusted some. the mico's successfully colonize it and thrive in coco (especially ecto micos) due to the high air to water ratio. and that is with never letting them dry out more than 50%. i also aim for about5-10%runoff. the house and garden line is more productive and i don't see deficiencies but with the bio bizz plants there isn't a whole lot of deficiencies but there is that nice fade you get with organics..oh and i use Humboldt flower Co's "royal gold- basement mix", its got loose coco, perlite, lava rocks and is "lightly charged with organic nutrients" although it is not certified organic or claim to be an organic mix. that said i really like the texture of their loose coco and the basement mix is my favorite. does anyone have experience with the newer house and garden loose coco? i think i may invest in some to see if there is a noticeable difference. ive used botanicare's, and also canna's, loose coco too but have settled on the royal gold for the time being. do you guys prefer loose coco or compressed? why?

 

[mg75]

thanks for the advice everyone.

 

[vonwolfen]

I'll add my 2cents in this thread. I used Sensi grow and bloom a/b for about 3 years. I switch to Heavy 16 for Flowering only last year, but stayed with Sensi grow even with the ph perfect formula(which doesn't work for me since I use other non an ph perfect products). I have run Sensi coco for 3 runs now, and it seems to be no different then the normal Sensi grow for veg. It does seem to be a little weaker. ie I need to add more to get the ec/ppm levels to the range I prefer, but other then that no noticeable difference. Overall its a good product. Just dont get caught up in the "AN buy everything in our line-up" hype.
Its very cost effective for an excellent product.imho

 

[habeeb]

^ von.

how much were you adding? and how much sensi grow do you use? do you run R/O ?

I was using 3ml a liter ( 12ml a gallon ) so 24ml total a gallon.





I got mixed results.. I was finding what looked like iron overdose ( very very crinked leaf with light green "blotching" )

also seems like seedlings don't like this stuff.. got burn every single set.

I also think you need to do runoff.. which I don't do much, only if I water too much, as I don't waste money / nutes... doesn't seem like this nnute is good for a program like that

what I'm finding with coco, is that an organic mix ( pre-mix ) can't be beat for growth.. I've run plants with many sets, salts and pre-mixed dry ferts.. the dry fert mixed coco gives outstanding results ( basically mixing a organic coco mix .. ).. I'm trying to tweak formula to get even faster growth as right now there a tad green, not dark, so I know there is room for improvement ... with salts there's what you feed them, and that's some dependent factors, heating from light or heat in room.. pot size, lighting intensity.. these what make when you water next again ( giving them more nutes )

I use led, so changing my nutrient formula needs to be tweaked say over a 1000 watt hps. but I use very very small pots which makes leveling out quick after a couple weeks, then I water everyday, sometimes twice. I also don't try to do runoff.... which obviously works very well for no runoff schedules.


I just had to use this as I use every new nute I come across... I don't think I'm continuing, as I find organic can run quicker, and easier ( no ferting from two bottles, or ferting first 1-2 weeks ) I only see organic as more positives then anything I've tired.. and I have nutrient dosers that can does in 5 seconds and be accurate within .1ml ( better then you can get by hand, and no cleanup , and no double dipping in bottle... haha )


thanks snow.. I hate math


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thanks snow for he costs breakdown..

 

[AbeFroman]

Last post for the day, little tired, the Jungle Juice Coco 2 part grow combined NPK is 4-2-4, the 2 part bloom is 4-4-5. No info on the Connoisseur analysis yet that I could find. My thoughts are these nute lines look good, if the prices are reasonable I think they could be a great all-around nutrient. I just wish AN would shift gears and tone down the B.S. propaganda targeting high schoolers.

Bloom
http://www.advancednutrients.com/hy...on_labels/Jungle-Juice-Coco-Bloom-Part-AB.pdf

Grow
http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/oregon/oregon_labels/Jungle-Juice-Coco-Grow-Part-AB.pdf

 

[GuyManDude]

I just learned AN is releasing coco specific formulas of Big Bud. If you are thinking of using the coco nutes, you might wait until the coco specific line is complete.

I have a love/hate thing with AN. Before they changed the formula to this ph perfect crap, I was getting 1/2 pound plants using Sensi Bloom and the hobbyist line in coco, in 3 gallon pots. Since they changed, my yields have gone to shit. I've been trying other nutrients. The AN 3 part Jungle Juice (non-ph perfect) works very well with no additives needed. And it's cheap - I can get it for 7.50 a liter.

 

[Coconutz]

Just checked out the big bud coco.
I read the entire page and realized they are really saying that this is a pk boost with less p and less k, with a little bit of calmag, iron and l aminos.
They found a way to add more water to the bottle is all Im sayin.
If I cut back my base to use this shit I end up with less iron, cal, mag and a watered down pk boost with some l aminos lol

 

[Snow Crash]

Just checked out the big bud coco.
I read the entire page and realized they are really saying that this is a pk boost with less p and less k, with a little bit of calmag, iron and l aminos.
They found a way to add more water to the bottle is all Im sayin.
If I cut back my base to use this shit I end up with less iron, cal, mag and a watered down pk boost with some l aminos lol

Nailed it.

I'm thinking the same thing about the new stuff. Checking in on the rumor right now that Advanced is disco'ing the dry stuff. They have definitely overhauled a lot of their products recently, dropping the bad ass line, hammerhead and the teas, introducing coco specific stuff and the pH perfect lines.

It's hard to say what those crazy Canadians are cooking up.

 

[FreedomTRAIL]

Ive been using the sensi coco A+B with nice results. Can't complain at all! I build up to half strength (8ml per gal each) plants love it. I was using the jungle juice two part for a while first but needed to supplement with ca/mg. Still, very pleased all in all. Also using the Big Bud Coco, ive only used the powder in the past. There 17 days into bloom and looking damn healthy and full. Let you know how it turns out with the coco lineup!

 

[FreedomTRAIL]

I just learned AN is releasing coco specific formulas of Big Bud. If you are thinking of using the coco nutes, you might wait until the coco specific line is complete.

I have a love/hate thing with AN. Before they changed the formula to this ph perfect crap, I was getting 1/2 pound plants using Sensi Bloom and the hobbyist line in coco, in 3 gallon pots. Since they changed, my yields have gone to shit. I've been trying other nutrients. The AN 3 part Jungle Juice (non-ph perfect) works very well with no additives needed. And it's cheap - I can get it for 7.50 a liter.

There is a Non-pH Perfect 2 part Jungle Juice. I was told by a AN Rep that it is relabeled original Sensi Grow/Bloom. 7 bucks a liter last I seen.

 

[FreedomTRAIL]

Just checked out the big bud coco.
I read the entire page and realized they are really saying that this is a pk boost with less p and less k, with a little bit of calmag, iron and l aminos.
They found a way to add more water to the bottle is all Im sayin.
If I cut back my base to use this shit I end up with less iron, cal, mag and a watered down pk boost with some l aminos lol

Alright, I am using the Big Bud Coco. My garden looks great but cannot give a opinion, its still to early and its my first run with it. That being said...the NPK of the Coco version is 0-4-4. NPK of original 0-1-3. Both are based on L-Amino Acids as far as I know and yes some extra cal/mg. How is that watered down? There is MORE PK and MORE cal/mg in the Coco formula. Sounds about right for coco! Hop[e that clears up some confusion

 

[Coconutz]

Actually that the new liquid formula youre talking about.
Its been watered down for a few years
I think it used to be 0-2-4
Dry used to be 0-15-40, but now its 1-17-38
Coco does look like a higher p to k ratio. but the dry was obviously less water...