Really confused!

[js2014hammer]

New grower here.
I am REALLY confused. So I have researched for 10 days, and yea, still confused. I read about IBL, landraces, S1, P1, backcrossing etc. And I don't feel any closer to an answer.
I just want to breed an indica strain that has high potency, killer high, whatever you want to call it. Of all other factors only yield matters, to an extent. I do not want to put a lot of time into growing a plant for months just to harvest a few grams. A few ounces at least would be rewarding. The plants are going to be grown indoors, under a 400 watt, in a tent.
I have searched and seen people recommend northern lights as an example, then read in many other forums that the original no longer exsists. So I figured that is off the list?
I also saw WOS offer landraces, Landrace Pakistan Valley Regular, but then read that the potency was low, and the F1s? were extremely variable from the parents. I read about maple leaf in a thread dated like 2010 I think, and then as the thread went on into 2014, people saying that it is no longer uniform (if that is what it is called?). I could go one with strains I have been looking up...
So please everyone inform me of some indica seeds I could buy that are good to breed, and stay relatively the same after one breeding. I am even open to hybrids that are indica dominate. I am only mainly focused on indica though because I am growing indoors, so space is a factor.
If anyone does mention anything please tell me where to get it also, because I have a feeling someone is going to tell me northern lights and then not tell me who/where is the best place to get it lol!

 

[rhinoman 1]

Have you checked out tom hills stuff?

 

[WelderDan]

Tom Hills stuff is more for the breeder/experienced grower. The Chunk vegges slow and yield isn't great. Better as a hybrid. x-18 would be better, but it's more of a breeding tool too.

If you want NL, go with Peak. All their strains are good. And inexpensive

 

[Kalyx]

Tom Hill. is a very good breeder.
If you want an indica that can pack on the trichomes and have a strong high you dont really need too look further than Deep Chunk.
It is a good strain for parental breeding material, lots of good breeders will use his stock.
Now the Deep Chunk isnt the largest yielding plant, but im sure you can find phenos with a decent output.

Do keep in mind if you go to make F2's you will have a lot more variation in phenos than from your original seeds.
You can really find some magic when hunting F2's though.

 

[Kalyx]

Tom Hills stuff is more for the breeder/experienced grower. The Chunk vegges slow and yield isn't great. Better as a hybrid. x-18 would be better, but it's more of a breeding tool too.

If you want NL, go with Peak. All their strains are good. And inexpensive

As he said it is for more experienced growers

There are really a lot of great indica and indica hybrids around... have you had specific strains you have really enjoyed?
What kind of flavors do you enjoy?
What kind of high are you looking for? (I know potent.... do you really enjoy the couchlock.. do you like something more active, cerebral)

 

[DixonCox]

I haven't grown tons of different genetics like some of these people, I tend to find something and stick with it. If I were to go buy a seed right now, something that fits your description, I would go with Dr. Atomic's Northern Lights. It isn't 100% like a true Northern Lights but it is fast, dank (truly indica) and puts out weight. I bought it from the seed boutique, it isn;t in stock there right now (I was just fulfilling your feeling about Northern Lights).

 

[relic1981]

maybe try LA confidential by DNA genetics or maybe sensi star by paradise seeds, both are indica dom hybrids that should be stable. (not sure where to order online, im in cali and can get pretty much what i want/need. there are plenty of good indica's out there in seed form so you should have a good selection. id also check out mandala seeds for good genetics to breed with.

sounds like your not in a mmj state nor a legal state, ie. colorado or washington. (if you are in a herb friendly state ask your local dispensary.... im sure you have thought of this, lol) regaurdless if you want stable genetics you will have to pay a little more (not always true but usually is) and go through reputable breeders such as tom hill. i would stay away from greenhouse seeds unless you want some bland shwagg. (i have never seen anything impressive come out of their gear and i dont appreciate arjan's holier than now attitude. anyhow, good luck my friend and remember to stick with what has proven to be good. do your research before you buy. be safe!

 

[Kalyx]

Ya relic1981 hit the nail on the head really.
More so than looking for specific strains you will have a much safer bet looking at proven breeders.
Chances are you will find many different varieties that strike your interest looking through a seedbank.
If you stick to quality breeders to get seeds from you should be pleased with what you grow.


DNA, Bodhi, Gage Green, Sincity, Rare Dankness, Tom Hill, DJ Short, OG raskal, Grand Daddy Purple, Hazeman, Reserva Privada, B.O.G., TGA.

I would say thats a good list of breeders to start with.
By no means is this even a complete list many other good breeders I haven't included.

 

[js2014hammer]

Thank you for the replies!
As to the questions...
1. No I have not checked out Tom Hills stuff. I am completely new to growing. And I have no idea where to go to find his stuff. But I will put it in the search engine .
2. As far as having a lot of experience trying different strains, no I have not. I have smoked hydro and regular Mexican brick weed whenever I smoked over the years. Where I am at, it is not really the "culture" to ask or know what strain it is you are actually buying/selling when you get hydro. Trust me I have asked. And over the years of asking and through experience, I just realized they didn't know, and where feeding me B.S. if they claimed to know.
3. Flavors. Another no hitter here. I have not smoked in years. And when I did smoke before going into active duty, I really had never noticed any flavors to be honest. I have to say that since getting into this hobby, and reading about it, you all are definitely teaching me a lot about things I never noticed or thought about.
Anyway my point is and to your question I don't know what flavors I like lol. I have no frame of reference to answer that.
4. As for high, I have had the sativa cerebral effect. And I am not really a fan, unless it was a low grade sativa maybe? I felt high, but I felt like I was always "chasing" the high when I smoked sativa. Indica, couchlock, stoned off my ass, that is high to me. And that is what I am after.

 

[js2014hammer]

Thank you for the replies.
Thank you for the breeders list. I will be looking into those people to see what is offered. And to my original request do those breeders have an indica that I could breed out one time? Yes I am aware of the F2s showing a lot of different phenotypes. That's why I am asking for a strain that I could breed just one time, and come away with minimal variability and maximum uniformity.
I cannot lie, I am entirely to new to be concerned with delusions of long term breeding projects and my little own brand new strain that I created (awww ). I need to (and am) learning the basics and just strictly concerned with the nuances of growing the plant.
My only request at this point is my original posted question?

 

[fabvariousk]

BOG Lifesaver -yields great and phenos as strong as weed can be to be found without much hassle.

 

[WelderDan]

Thank you for the replies!
As to the questions...
1. No I have not checked out Tom Hills stuff. I am completely new to growing. And I have no idea where to go to find his stuff. But I will put it in the search engine .
2. As far as having a lot of experience trying different strains, no I have not. I have smoked hydro and regular Mexican brick weed whenever I smoked over the years. Where I am at, it is not really the "culture" to ask or know what strain it is you are actually buying/selling when you get hydro. Trust me I have asked. And over the years of asking and through experience, I just realized they didn't know, and where feeding me B.S. if they claimed to know.
3. Flavors. Another no hitter here. I have not smoked in years. And when I did smoke before going into active duty, I really had never noticed any flavors to be honest. I have to say that since getting into this hobby, and reading about it, you all are definitely teaching me a lot about things I never noticed or thought about.
Anyway my point is and to your question I don't know what flavors I like lol. I have no frame of reference to answer that.
4. As for high, I have had the sativa cerebral effect. And I am not really a fan, unless it was a low grade sativa maybe? I felt high, but I felt like I was always "chasing" the high when I smoked sativa. Indica, couchlock, stoned off my ass, that is high to me. And that is what I am after.

Peak has what you seek. I'm serious. Check 'em out. You won't be sorry

 

[js2014hammer]

Thank you for the replies. I will check out peak and BOG Lifesaver also.
Hey WelderDan you mentioned Northern Lights at Peak. Have you breed that NL before? If you did, how was the uniformity?

 

[Kalyx]

Thank you for the replies. I will check out peak and BOG Lifesaver also.
Hey WelderDan you mentioned Northern Lights at Peak. Have you breed that NL before? If you did, how was the uniformity?

js2014hammer, no worries man I completely understand your situation and where your are coming from now. If indica is what you like with the high then indica or indica leaning hybrids are what you want for now. I personally have grown B.O.G. lifesaver and can attest to it being a great strain. He is a good breeder has been around for a long time. I grew lifesaver early on in my growing experience back in the early 2000's it was and easy strain to grow with excellent phenos, great smells, taste, very potent, and beautiful bag appeal. I actually had a very special pheno that was keep for a number of years as personal headstash. Still one of my favorite plants and smokes of all time. Another plus his seeds tend to be on the cheaper side. I would recommend trying to take clones of a pheno you like or using a mother plant. If you are unable to do so, I would recommend then to make as many F2's as you can. Grow those out instead of trying to take the strain to further filial generations. Or you could just keep restocking your seeds from the breeders, that can be more costly though.

 

[js2014hammer]

Thanks Kalyx,
Yea I think as I posted more, answered more questions, you all realized your going to fast, and into things I just do not know about yet lol. I am an FNG to all this.
And just looking to save a little money, by simply breeding an indica out for one generation, and learn about strictly growing the plant and how best to provide optimal conditions, and make lots of mistakes, and learn from them hopefully along the way. All the while smoking some of my own, by myself, and probably shooting massive amounts of people in the face on halo 4 lol.
So far we have two votes of B.O.G. Lifesaver. A breeders list, and a strong suggestion to check out Peak. If anyone else wants to chime in, please feel free , because I am open to listen and check out all suggestions.

 

[yesum]

I have grown Maple Leaf Indica 2 times and made f2's which were identical to the f1 imo. I got the beans 3 years back and do not think they let this strain 'wander'. High is indica but balanced, very nice. Not the strongest weed but good enough, quality of high is outstanding.

I really like SAD from Sweet Seeds. Quality indica buzz, not just stuck to the couch but mellow and happy. Just female seeds from them.

I have grown Pakistan Valley and it was nice but phenos varied, there were nanners with some seeds produced. Leafy buds with moderate potency, good quality to the high. It is rough around the edges, not real inbred or stable.

Grew one female NL from Nirvana. Had sativa looks and long flower. High was powerful and up at first with downer afterwards. Left me kinda foggy on the comedown. Will not do it again. Am running Classic Seeds NL right now and hope this is closer to original. He will release these again someday I hope.

I always make f2's or crosses of strains I like but think you might be over thinking the breeding thing. They have plenty of great strains out there with no need of any tinkering from us to improve them.

 

[Skunkenstein]

In your situation, Indica dominant is the way to go given your using a 400w light, this will somewhat limit your final yield, but Do able.My choices would be Peak seeds Nrthn Lights or Sick Meds Williams wonder.Currently running the Ww.It has structure identical to the Northern,but has more potency,smell, and better bag appeal.Both strains are great for small spaces..stout bushy structure, minimal stretch.Under a 400w I would use 3 to 3.5gal. Buckets.2-3 plants under that light will give you a decent yield. More plants is not always the best, due to your Lighting Limitations.Good luck..my 2 cents!

 

[js2014hammer]

Yesum thank you for the specific reply. That's exactly what I was looking for.
F.Y.I. I have no intentions of tinkering with any strains. Just want to grow out the original seed stock I get and breed those one time, and one time only. That way I can save money from having to buy seeds after every grow. As well I would like to avoid spending a lot of money on strains that are probably going to suffer from my newb mistakes. And finally nothing like learning from something that is (hopefully) somewhat consistent in feedback and uniformity from generation to generation.
Skunkenstein your vote is the second vote for Peak seeds NL, that with B.O.G. Lifesaver looks like the route I will be going.
Also if anyone else wants to recommend anything, keep it coming. I have not bought anything yet, and researching everything that has been suggested so far. I do want to ask about the Maple Leaf Indica. Has anyone grown that out lately? Like within the last year and half?

 

[harry74]

Whatever is your choice at the end, something cheap.

Somenthing Afghani or something Skunky I would say that always will give you a decent crop

NL, Skunk#1,ortega,cheese,critical,just to name some.

 

[Rinse]

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