Why aren't almost all growers using vert?

[SeedsOfFreedom]

Vert bulbs really shine with tall plants, ie., sativas, that you would have a hard time growing under a horizontal setup, and couldn't even come close to the yield. I am talking trees with stacked verticals, fat colas all up & down the plant. They also perform really well with trellises. You can make better use of the height of your room with vert bulbs. Everyone's circumstance is different, and to each his own, but I won't ever be buying a hood again.
By the way, goggles in the grow room with lights on.

You are right retro! I was even thinking of hanging 400w bulbs in between my air cooled 1000w hoods for supplemental lighting on my Sativas and other stretchy plants. Your right about the height issues with horizontal as well. Often my Sativas tops end up above the air cooled hoods, even raised all the way up.

I really like the idea of a combination of vertical and horizontal, also with a combination of MH and HPS. I saw some brothers from Cali in High Times running this way, things looked great. Think of those big round outdoor plants but inside. Side lighting and top lighting together seems to me the closest I may get to the sun indoors.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Vert bulbs really shine with tall plants, ie., sativas, that you would have a hard time growing under a horizontal setup, and couldn't even come close to the yield. I am talking trees with stacked verticals, fat colas all up & down the plant. They also perform really well with trellises. You can make better use of the height of your room with vert bulbs. Everyone's circumstance is different, and to each his own, but I won't ever be buying a hood again.
By the way, goggles in the grow room with lights on.

I agree. I have grown both ways. Vert is best for tall trees and hooded bulbs are best for scrog and sog

 

[Sleeper7784]

I've been growing vert for 5 years now. I wouldn't do it any other way. I currently run 2 1k side by side doughnuts, w/small fans under lights, in an a/c'd 6x9 area.


I've contemplated getting two xxxl's, a 10" inline fan, carbon filter, intake filter, duct & sheet metal, trellis, pvc etc. Now the extra amp draw...

Not worth the upgrades if my yields will be the same or possibly less.

If I did go hori. In the flower room it'd be w/ ajust a wings. Keep it bare.

 

[Drek]

If you thought trashing a hood was going to turn you into Heath, you are sadly mistaken.

Bingo...

Don't want to offend anybody but a lot of nonsense is talked about how much people get off grows I've been growing 30 years and have seen actual grows and pics of grows and a lot are nothing like the figures people claim unless they mean wet weight lol. In reality getting 1gram per watt is hard work and requires uniformity with a good strain certainly never had 1 gram a watt with a weeks veg unless I had sea of green with hundreds of cuttings. I'd be lucky to get an oz plant with a weeks veg, Unless it had been vegging under my T5 for a month prior to the weeks veg. No wishing to offend but all it does is then make others exaggerate figures to keep up then people are sat at home thinking why don't I get that. In reality if you can achieve 20 oz under a 600w light your doing really well

Agree.

I see so many harsh words over personal preferences and yield, none of it makes any sense to me.
I could honestly care less about yield. All I'm concerned about is overall plant health, chillin out with them, takin care of them, etc.
Sweet mary jane...

 

[RetroGrow]

You are right retro! I was even thinking of hanging 400w bulbs in between my air cooled 1000w hoods for supplemental lighting on my Sativas and other stretchy plants. Your right about the height issues with horizontal as well. Often my Sativas tops end up above the air cooled hoods, even raised all the way up.

I really like the idea of a combination of vertical and horizontal, also with a combination of MH and HPS. I saw some brothers from Cali in High Times running this way, things looked great. Think of those big round outdoor plants but inside. Side lighting and top lighting together seems to me the closest I may get to the sun indoors.

When using stacked verticals, I use HPS & MH together.
Yield is largely a function of veg time. Want trees? Veg for two months or so.
I'm thinking in your case, growing sativas, you could ditch the hood & get better yield with stacked verticals. Vert bulbs are pretty cool. Just a fan on the floor blowing up is enough to keep them cool, and you can get lights closer to plants.

 

[SeedsOfFreedom]

When using stacked verticals, I use HPS & MH together.
Yield is largely a function of veg time. Want trees? Veg for two months or so.
I'm thinking in your case, growing sativas, you could ditch the hood & get better yield with stacked verticals. Vert bulbs are pretty cool. Just a fan on the floor blowing up is enough to keep them cool, and you can get lights closer to plants.

I like the idea of vertical, but I grow too many small plants for it to work out without some horizontal mix. I like a major see of green. I usually stuff more than 25-36 plants under each 1000w, then I can find more special plants quickly. My main mission is to grow as many plants as possible in my space. Yield doesn't matter much for me, but I think I will be adding some supplemental vertical lights for my Sativas. Those 6ft Thai and Malawi monsters will love it.

 

[Mister_D]

I'm sure I could easily add a few more shelves to my vert racks, up my numbers and crush a gpw with only a week or two of veg . I've already done over a gpw in that system with less plants and longer veg times. More plants with less veg could only increase my potential yield once dialed. Personally I find vert to be more productive on a watt for watt basis, but I do very well with horizontal too. IMO growers should use whatever method they find most suitable to their specific set of circumstances

 

[Marlo]

IMO growers should use whatever method they find most suitable to their specific set of circumstances

 

[Ttystikk]

I think people are herded into horizontal grows by those with a vested interest in selling them more shit; tables and racks and sealed and vented fixtures, oh my! It's like asking your spouse's attorney what you should do in the divorce.

Vertical IS less expensive and better in most cases, in most spaces, once the gardener is skilled enough to get a space dialed in and masters the basics.

The trouble is that vertical growing isn't well marketed, and due to that and its current status as a bespoke growing method without a lot of ready built componentry available, it tends to fall off the radar.

I intend to change all that.

 

[growingcrazy]

IMO growers should use whatever method they find most suitable to their specific set of circumstances

I agree! I went gung ho into vert for 2 years straight and now I am back to horizontal with reflectors.. It just suits my situation better than vertical right now. I just could not get the screens to fill up like I can get them to do in a horizontal scrog, I tried numerous strains with long veg times and I just couldn't get the screen density.

Watt for watt I am already surpassing my vert scrogs with my horizontal scrogs with less square footage of screen. This may not be the case for everyone but that is just how it works out in my room.

I enjoy seeing all the vert grows and I will probably go back to them in the future when I can run more than 1200 watts in flower.

Peace
GC

 

[JointOperation]

ya i tell people go with what you can handle.. if you dont have time to be in your room alot.. then sog to trees.. are a great way to go .. but if u have time.. scrogs are amazing yield wise..

well gotta go run out to home depot grab a few things.. and get the rest of the outdoor stuff ready to go out for next week.

 

[Dropped Cat]

Maybe the vertical bare bulb thing is a liability to any
marketing scheme. Word of mouth is the only way
to spread the word. Safety first, or at least second.

Does anyone use a bare bulb horizontal like?

Also, if you grow and don't protect your eyesight, your
just asking for eye troubles down the line.

Good thread.

 

[medicalmj]

Maybe the vertical bare bulb thing is a liability to any
marketing scheme. Word of mouth is the only way
to spread the word. Safety first, or at least second.

Does anyone use a bare bulb horizontal like?

Also, if you grow and don't protect your eyesight, your
just asking for eye troubles down the line.

Good thread.

A lot of the old school guys used to grow horizontal but with the bulb vertical in parabolic reflectors. That is, the bulb and reflector was always above the tops never between. These had bare bulbs protruding below the reflector.

And my first horizontal reflector had no cover was small and really light weight.

 

[DunHav`nFun]

Swore when I signed back up for pm priveleges only that I wouldn`t become involved in controversial issues/threads , but ......

Bare bulbs rule......all else drool.........

My entire indoor growing experience was based around bare bulbs hangin with everything that wasn`t green covered in reflectix , including ceilings for that 360 degree up , down , and all around lumen dispersion/plant absorption with proper watts per sq ft....

Dank Frank , 90% of growers are horizontal if not more , and I respect all my flat grow bro`s , but I started with Krusty buckets and #5 welder`s glasses were standard issue before entering grow areas , and I fully agree that Vert`s not for everyone , but .....

It was for me , and I adapted over the yrs to what it took to maintain as close to a perfect sideways canopy 360 degrees around all the bare bulbs as possible for as much return on 4 walls compared to floors/tables only that horizontal grows are strictly limited to.....now....

To each his own , and I`ll not argue taters and maters over horizontal yields compared to "dialed" vertical results with monocropped strains , dialed environment , and proper watts per sq ft , AND utilizing all 4 walls of grow area compared to a 1 dimensional floor/table horizontal air-cooled setup with a "flat" grow , but....

Once yas get it , there`s no turnin back.....but....Most folks have no clue as to how to develop that perfect sideways canopy with bare bulbs , get discouraged and go right back to horizontal air-cooled hoods....and lastly.....

I`ll go back to my original statement from yrs gone by , that Vertical bare bulbs hangin aren`t for everyone , but rather IME an intermediate grower skill setup that still takes time to dial and make produce accordingly from the learning curve that EVERY new setup comes with.....regardless....

Vert takes time to dial....Most folks don`t have the patience....Those that do , never RE-vert to flat growin I assure all here....Mr D runs flat grows cuz they`re easy on his old fart self , but never doubt that he knows where his bread`s buttered if he needs production and yields consistently at 1 gpw and above.....

Peace....DHF........

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Was always around 1lb per 1k for the longest time when growing horizontal (Daystar AC). Despite how nice and well organized the horizontal canopy was I was always around there... maybe 1.2lb per so.

Switched to vertical donuts and hit 1.4lb per 1k my 1st run. 1.7lb per 1k thereafter.

Experimented with trees in a checkerboard pattern (each plant hit by three 1ks at any given time)... and while nearly killing my plants due to system experimentation I still managed nearly 2lb per 1k of light. Roughly 2lb per plant.

In my personal experience there is no question - I can yield way more growing vertically. That said.. I don't always do. Vertical gardening normally needs a bit more space. If I'm confined to only 4' of width, etc.. I'll just do tables/ adjust a wings.

I love getting crazy on some vert, but there is a time and place for everything. Sometimes trellising some tables and calling it a day is the recipe for consistent returns.

But.. donuts and other sideways canopy trickery aside I've never had a more pleasurable growing experience then letting some trees go naturally in a bare-bulb tic tac toe setup. Flower structure overall always turns out superior IMO. No stripping backsides/bottoms, tying down, etc.. everything is rock solid top to bottom. It's simple and I like that.


Eye concerns & burns are not an issue. Just turn off the lights and kick on a fluorescent (if day) or a green LED (if night). Best to do this anyways so you can get a peak at their tree color, etc without the confusion of the HPS in there.


Just my 2c.

 

[mojave green]

why i like vert...

why i like vert...

 

[mojave green]

more reasons i like vert

more reasons i like vert

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Good enough a reason as any.

Why I like vert trees...

Although donuts are fun too...

 

[mojave green]

rock that vert ff!

 

[Lester Beans]

This reeks of ignorance and arrogance. Yield has nothing to do with greed. Basically you just insulted everyone in this sub forum. Fucking rude ass.

You are right and I sincerely apologize if I came off as an asshat.

I should of elaborated. I busted my butt honing my skills and finding a strain that will pull two lbs a light, and its a lot of work. I am totally happy with that yield and can't imagine the extra work vert involves, for a few more grams.

That being said I am a fan of growing, and any way of growing! I looked into some of the vert threads and y'all have kick ass grows! I am def gonna try a vert setup at some point because it looks wicked fun.

So thanks for calling me out bro, my bad.

Peace
Les